I have never strayed from saying I think Alex Smith can win playoff games here.

I also want another guy to develop. Not at 1.1 though.

Well, we do infact know what Alex Smith is up to this point, but he's never been in a pass first happy offense.


People use history that when he's been forced to throw it around, he hasn't been as successful as foresight that he won't be when he's constantly asked to do it here.

Because Alex had trade value and also mutual respect from the front office. They had dinner with Alex and he had the opportunity to say where he wanted to go and they obliged. But most of all trade value, as you can see with the 34th pick.

I am not laughing, this insanity is no longer funny. But there are enough fans that say "whatever the GM decides is good by me" and we will be fine. I used to be one of those guys. Not anymore, Alex Smith was the straw.

If he wasn't a Chief, would you think the same?

A boatload of sports critics are bashing Buffalo though, worst pick of the draft so far and all. No mercy.

Why do you keep bringing up Alex Smith?

I don't care about Alex Smith. If Alex Smith is viewed by this team as a stop gap, fantastic. I have no issue with a young, talented QB learning the ropes while Alex Smith takes the sacks.

I would actually PREFER it over just throwing our rookie into the fire.

I've been saying it ever since the trade was made.

You, and others continue to make up arguments that don't exist.

Dude. Geno started as a whisper, then somebody agreed, then more people agreed, and then it became a cult. I doubt the majority of Genoites watched him play a single game and, at most, watched some highlights. Highlights don't tell the whole story. EJ got the nod from the senior bowl performance (the one Geno felt too good for).

Trashing Buffalo?


Well, Manuel was infact a reach, but we don't know what he will become, so to say he's a bad player at this point is wrong.

He was however probably overdrafted.

This is looking far worse than what Pioli did.

I shut off the draft after Miami's trade; ...what did I miss from Geno?

So drafting a guy based on his Sr bowl performance is a good idea now?

How about at 2.2? Oh crap, that is gone again!:banghead:

Considering what he had done the last 28 games or so yes.

We cant search right now but when they benched Smith I stated I thought it was a mistake. That was before I knew he was coming to KC so yea I thought he was good last year.

Not drafted... .. .

Geno didn't start as a whisper. The Geno fan base grew here because as the months went on, it became more and more clear that Geno was the top QB prospect.

Back in January, we had Cults for Bray, Wilson and Barkley. The threads speak for themselves.

At the end of last year, this forum was torn in 5 different directions on who the top QB was.

So we dont trade for Alex draft a LT at 1.1 and pray there is a developmental QB at 2.2?

Who would be your starting QB? Would Geno be ready? I say no and always have thought no.

Exactly.

Maybe he was overdrafted. It seems that way right now.

But hey, at least they're addressing the situation. And if he turns out to be a good player like Buffalo thinks he will be, then where he was drafted won't matter.

I don't see Alex winning playoff games here because IMO, there's no way KC wins the division with Peyton Manning around and thus forcing KC to play on the road in a WC against any of these teams: Pitt/Balt/Houston/Bengals/Colts.

Only the Geno fans were saying he is better than RGIII. The other cults recognized the weaknesses of their prospects. The vocal Geno fans were 100% overzealous with their views - as good of a long ball as RGIII, fantastic pocket presence and leadership, etc. He can operate in a pro system. So much bull crap.

Would've been nice to have that pick back and pickup Geno. As much as this board is bashing him now, he's right where his true value should be.

A nice developmental QB with high upside but with some clear maturity issues. Not quite as sold on the Fisher pick but there's really not much else at the top of this year's draft. He's not projected to be Ogden, Pace, Boselli, Walter, or hell even Thomas, Long, or Clady. (Otherwise, many would've projected him as the top pick long before)

I agree with this thinking, because thats exactly what i believe Reid/Dorsey to be doing... going all in for winning now, while those guys are still prime.

Waiting for any rookie from this class to develop is just wasting our cores time.

When they start getting old and traded in the next 2-3 years, THEN draft the rookie and start fresh, or maybe theres a guy they really like next year that they're holding out for.

Geno isnt some world killer, there will almost certainly be someone better coming out in the next 1-3 years, then they can make the drastic moves necessary to get him.

We get to see how it plays out. Nothing wrong with a difference in opinion.

You hope I am right too.

and the difference between going 4-12 with Geno Smith as your QB taking his bumps and bruises being green as grass versus going 8-8 with a 30 year old noodle arm 170 yards per game, game manager... is what exactly?

a losing season is still a losing season and ill take the 22 year old QB with higher upside 10 times out of 10 if i have to sit through a lost cause of half a year

ROFL

You mean you aren't going to get a gang of CP thugs after him for not agreeing with you?

It's a start.
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ONE person, ONE person said he was better than RGIII. SNR, Geno's biggest supporter never made such claims, nor did anyone else aside from Sacc.

His pocket presence, leadership and whether or not he can run a Pro offense have yet to be determined.

Well, yeah I hope you're right.

I also hope that Adriana Lima decides to run off to Curitiba with me but I'm not counting on it.

:D

Martyball. Sweet!
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Off topic but I see this "I don't see Alex leading this team to the playoffs", but what I think is bigger than Alex is the hiring of Andy Reid. That right there will have much more impact than Alex or any QB for that matter.

It's starts at Reid. He will be the guy needed to make this team relevant. Many here think the QB is more important. While it is important, look at the teams who have won Super Bowls and their coaches. Look at every single top 10 QB and look at the coaching staff.

GM's and coaches of QB needy teams all must seem to question his ability to do those things. He's athletic, has a good arm, good accuracy out to 20. It has to be the other things teams question.

I'm looking.

http://i.imgur.com/UjSqa6x.gif

And then look at what those coaches have done before and after their top QB's.

Andy Reid is a .500 coach with out McNabb.

Belichick was a failure in Cleveland before Brady. Hell, his one season w/o Brady is the one season he missed the playoffs. The list goes on and on.

SNR, there was some of that...however, it went FAR beyond that. Anybody who mentioned another player was blown up for the following reason...nobody wins the Super Bowl without an elite QB. I think most people would agree with that statement. The problem is that there was significant disagreement whether Geno Smith is or will become an "elite" QB. It got to the point where anybody who felt Geno was good, but not great, was ripped to shreds here. I don't remember if you were part of that or not.

As the old saying goes...everybody is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. To be SO sure about Geno Smith, even Internet fans need to have some reality to base their opinions on...if not, don't attack anybody who has a different opinion.

I think like Collin Kaepernick teams know he can be a good QB, but they can't afford to wait for him. Do teams need a player now? Or a player a year or two down the road? You don't waste your 1st rounder for a "prospect" when you have other glaring needs.

Round 2 you have more flexibility.

I guess I have no choice. I still hope we draft him - but the talking heads beat me this time. Sadface.

I agree.

I came to terms with that a long time ago.

But i don't care. I don't care where he's drafted at either, whether its 1.1 or 3.1.

If you don't have legit QB, then you take the top prospect available (which appears to be Smith) and you develop him.

Maybe you get him into camp and he's a day 1 starter, or maybe he has to sit a year or two.

Either way, you aren't winning a SB with out a legit franchise QB, and until you have one, you turn over every rock until you get one.

Brees was nothing without Payton
Manning had the same OC his whole career and good coaches
Rodgers has McCarthy (look what he did to Flynn)
Harbaugh made Alex look worthy of his #1 pick and made Kaepernick who he is
Carrol and Wilson

To me you are right, but it's 50/50. I think coaching has just as much to do with being successful as one position. A proper coach having guys buy into and run an actual system will do teams wonders. Ask SF(nolan,Singletary).

Do you feel Romeo had these guys running a proper offense? This not only is helpful to the QB, but every position as well.

that's because he had Cassel:D

Had a draft party w/several FSU fans. They were pretty stoked to have so many of their players drafted in 1st round.

As for EJ, we laughed at a Florida boy having to play in that cold weather. The Bills won't win again until they get a dome.

Actually that's a good point. Look what a good coach did for Cassel. Look what Reid did for Kolb and I've seen many claiming for Foles around here as well.

And they still won 10 games. Using that year as a sign that Belichick just rides Brady has never been the best argument. Not making the playoffs was more of a fluke than anything. Most teams would be thrilled to win 10 with their backup.

Hell, I'd be thrilled to win 10 with our new backup, Alex Smith.

Seriously. If you're so insecure that you have to quote yourself and bump your own posts, that's pretty sad. Come on Chiefs Country, you're better than that.

Like I said, look at what these coaches have done before and after their top QB's.

Tony Dungy was fired from Tampa Bay because he couldn't field an offense worth a shit. He was a defensive "guru" supposedly. He also had some damn good defensive players in TB. He goes to Indy, gets gifted with Manning, and all of a sudden he's a great coach....even though that "guru" could never field a defense worth a shit Indy.

Peyton, otoh, moves to Denver and now all of a sudden John Fox, who barely won anything in Carolina w/o a QB, is all of a sudden a great coach.

Carrol trotted out a sub .500 team two years in a row before Wilson.

Harbaugh was able to mask Alex Smith, but i'd hardly say he made him better. And as soon as Harbaugh had the chance, he replaced him with his groomed developmental QB.

I agree that Reid will make our QB's better and our offense better, but it won't be enough to win a SB, and it never will be until Reid finds his next McNabb.

LMAO

As I said I think it's 50/50. Can't really argue with you on that. And I will stop talking Alex in this thread after this. But.. I think what Harbaugh did to Alex was give him an actual system to run. It's no secret he is a system QB, going back to his days at Utah. Not the most naturally gifted QB, but tops in the league when he has that system of being able to use his smarts pre-snap at the line and read defenses. Urban even agrees. To me Alex's smarts are what makes him the mid to top tier QB's in the league Put a system in for Alex to run and he'll excel. I think Reid will do just that.

Yeah they're getting flayed, but go look at the 'sport science' clip on his ESPN draft page. Some pretty impressive stuff. Dunno if they're blowing smoke, but his measurables really impressed.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/30224

There's a bunch of clips on there, find the sport science one.

Sports Science was making Justin Hunter out to be the next Calvin Johnson too

And go eat some antifreeze dongs, Trollahawk. Heh.

You do realize Nassib is the number one QB on a lot of people's boards including Jon Gruden?

Geno Tebow.

Does Jon Gruden know Nassib better than his ex-coach who blew smoke up everyone's ass and took the QB they've wanted since the beginning... EJ Manuel.

I'd take Nassib. Of course, I'd take any of the top QB prospects with our remaining picks.

that Bills coach did a hell of a job smokescreening who he really wanted before the draft by selling everyone on the Nassib hype.

he did a lot of better of a smokescreen job than the Chiefs did with Brandon Albert

whether EJ Manuel busts out or not its moot. They had a player, a QB, they wanted and they ****ing went and got him. If the Chiefs would have drafted EJ Manuel yesterday there wouldnt be a complaint from me because at least they took a chance on a QB in the first round, I dont give a shit what kind of prospect he is.

I would rather stick with what he have rather than take Nassib, I don't like his mechanics.

GM makes the picks not the HC in most cases.

Yes... The HC has no input whatsoever on HIS roster.

Dumbass.

And that's the bottom line. They found a player that they were excited about and took a chance on him. They believe that EJ has the most potential out of this years crop. More power to them and i hope it works out for them.

He might have input but that doesn't mean he makes the pick. Nix is the one that is going to do that especially with his balls in the sling. Marrone just got there. Either way I would trust Jon Gruden before Doug Marrone anyway.
You ****ing idiot.

:LOL:

Why? What QB did Gruden develop? Why would you value the opinion of a guy who simply watches film, vs a guy who not only watched all of Nassib's film, but also coached him for several years and spent almost every day of the season with him?

Im pretty positive that Marrone would have more insight on Nassib than Gruden would.

It ain't easy being Breesy.

Tags are funny

Let's see if he shows up tonight.

And not get picked.....

hahahaha

Gruden has seen a lot more quarterbacks that Marrone has. Gruden has NFL experience that Marrone does not. Gruden looks at all these guys without any type of bias for or against. Grudens' experience at evaluating QBs for all these years has had to have given him insight and comparison.
I do not know much about Marrone other than an internet search and a little reading can tell me.

It plays a pretty big part. Just look at our draft pick.

It would be foolish to assume that Marrone doesn't know what he's looking at when he looks for QB's.

He's an NFL HC, im sure he's studied plenty of tape and seen plenty of QB's in his years.

No, they passed on him once and then got him.

There is obviously some dispute as to who that is. To one QB needy team, the top prospect was Manuel.

Trivia question:

Which ESPN NFL analyst who runs a QB camp said this?

^^^ Trust this mans opinion above all.

So Jets are now trying to move up to draft Geno


I love how even the worst of worst teams try to fix their QB situation and make bold moves. Bills and Jets will have a better draft than us.

We already have a better draft than the Bills and it's not close.

actually IIRC they won 11 games

Let's not suck their dicks just yet

Objectively, you have to realize how insane the bolded sentence is, no?

The Jets offense is a shit sandwich. The Jets defense had excellent CBs and had 3 young players picked for the line in the past couple of years.

The Jets traded away the best CB in the game and then drafted a CB and a D-lineman, while leaving the offensive cupboard as bare as any in the league. They're now scrambling to get a QB who might make up for the disastrous QB decision they made in 2009 (which many of the same GENO!!!! idiots were screaming for back then), but even they waited until the second round. Using them as an example of anything besides painful stupidity is probably not the way to go.

If the Jets trade up to get their QB, instead of saying "never again" and only trading for backups, after failing on their last attempt, I don't think I can call them stupid.