Dude, you proven your worthlessness a hundred times over this month. No need to add to your resume today.

And you're the biggest homer dipshit of them all.

Compliment...

accepted.

And remarks like these are exactly why you're viewed as an imbecile and slack-jawed, drooling Mongo.

Instead of backing up your claims and nonsense with factual data, you hide under the guise of an "insult", which 99% of the time, only goes to prove that you're a babbling nitwit.

Mark that, half-wit.

I went over this with Bad Guy already. Look it up sometime.

No thanks.

And for the record, whether or not RunKC is a "homer" is inconsequential to the fact that you are a know-nothing loudmouth with awful takes on Chiefs football, especially player personnel.

Inconsequential.

Go produce another shitty record.

My sperm are smarter than you.

You are a legend in your own mind.

I see your catchphrase is just about as popular as "Lil' Chiefy". Well, not really.

But maybe someday!

It's not a "catchphrase". You have just proven, time and time again, that you are completely without a thought in your brain, hence my responses.

**** you asshole. I'm not dumb for wanting the Chiefs to take a chance on a quarterback after not doing it for 30 ****ing years.

**** you. You are a piece of shit.

At least I don't sleep on pissed stain mattresses you sick ****.

Well shit I guess we all better pay attention to your football knowledge then. Who could argue with that pedigree.

Don't agree with me I don't give a ****. Doesn't make me dumb to have a different opinion on a subject just for wanting the Chiefs to draft a ****ing quarterback for a change.

I'm not going be happy until the Chiefs draft a QBotf and go with him. I think it would be super cool & give hope that finally we did something different than Carl Peterson would do.

I can understand why they passed on Geno Smith for the perspective of like Dane said dopy eyes. I get why we got Alex Smith but I think we gave up too much to get him and he wasn't worth the compensation.

We will see what next year brings but highly doubtful we draft a quarterback early & another disappoint season is going to follow.

lulz, I see the Alex Smith phenomena is uniting posters on the planet... is this is an omen of how he's gonna unite the team too?

winning

So true!


( good for you, DaneMcCloud.. put sweet pussy hate in his place, you did! ) ROFL

With no risk, there is no chance at a big reward.

I guess I would much rather have kept Eric Winston and drafted two quarterbacks high than use the first pick in the draft on an upgrade at right tackle and trading for Alex Smith, but I also recognize Andy Reids ability with quarterbacks.

But whats done is done...no sense rehashing old debates that were dead months ago.

At this point, I'm trying my best to hope they made the right decision on this one and i get to see Arrowhead rockin again and can actually enjoy watching the Chiefs play football again.

lol at peeps still weeping over not drafting that ass clown Geno Smith...

Geno was just the "most likely" guy in that role of "a guy we might actually use a first round pick on" for the first time in...well...ever.

There were probably 5 quarterbacks in this class that I would have been happy with us taking a chance on.

I mean, seriously, we have had 4 top 5 picks in the last 6 drafts and, still, no quarterback we can view as our own.

Tyson
Glenn
Fisher
Berry

It's disappointing.

The thing I love about Reid is that he isn't afraid to make bold moves, especially when he drafted McNabb.

He's done a great job of putting QB's in a great position to succeed and I'm very interested to see how he does with Alex Smith.

The best thing you should like about it Reid is that if Alex Smith does fail, he'll have no problem replacing him. Unlike Pioli, Reid doesn't have tunnel vision for a certain way and didn't extend him before he proved himself.

True. It would have to be catchy in order to be so. You win!

The biggest risk/reward QB in this draft was E.J. Manuel. He'll either be a bust or Daunte Culpepper (before the knee injury). Had the Chiefs taken that chance, I'd have been on board 100%.

I didn't like Geno Smith as a first or second rounder but I did like Barkley as a second rounder. Turns out, Barkley was a fourth rounder.

I didn't like Wilson at all. I thought Bray was the best developmental QB in the draft due to his ideal size, arm strength and age. But I wouldn't have imagined that he would go undrafted. I figured (incorrectly, as it turns out) that he'd be gone in the third.

True to "expert" projections, this was not a good year for QB's as seen by NFL Scouts, GM's, coaches and media prognosticators. If anything positive can be taken by this offseason, it's that those media prognosticators are far more in touch with NFL thinking than previously suspected. The world between informed mock drafters and the NFL is shrinking exponentially.

I just hope that next offseason, people take that information into consideration, instead of bashing anyone (those prognosticators included) furiously while waiting for the draft to unfold. It'll make for a much more pleasant experience.

Vapid

Not happening. We will find a worthy QB every year and beat the board to death with him every day until the Chiefs actually do something worth two ****s at the position.

It is what it is, and I approve of this method wholeheartedly.

Scouts and the NFL in general didn't like Colin Kaepernick, Russel Wilson and many other recent "drafted after the first round" quarterbacks, either.

It's how these guys respond to adversity that will dictate if their draft positions were true, or fantastic steals due to following one of the best quarterback drafts in NFL history.

I just happen to think there are a few guys in this class that have 9" dicks and are trying to follow Lex Steel.

This.

There was also a huge difference in demeanor between guys like Wilson/Kapernick and Geno Smith.

I'm not trying to bash you or insult you but this is a false narrative.

You've acted all offseason as if you're above someone or anyone else because you wanted the Chiefs the draft a QB. You acted as if you were the only person that wanted the Chiefs to draft a QB in the history of the franchise and continue to spout off on anyone that has a different opinion. They're suddenly a "homer" or a "True Fan" because they didn't like the available options.

That is complete and utter nonsense.

There have been very few years, especially as of late, in which the consensus on this forum was to draft a QB. When Brodie Croyle was chosen in the third round of 2008, everyone was behind that move and saw him as the successor to Green. Unfortunately, that didn't pan out.

In 2008, most "informed" members wanted Matt Ryan. They saw past his supposed flaws and interceptions. Unfortunately, he was chosen before the Chiefs selected, so he wasn't an option. There were those that suggested Flacco as an alternative but the Chiefs selected Dorsey and Albert instead (the correct answer would have been Clady and Flacco).

In 2009, a very vocal group (myself included) wanted to see Mark Sanchez drafted, even though the Chiefs traded for Cassel. That didn't happen and instead, the Chiefs made the worst selection in franchise history.

In 2010, the consensus was split between Berry and Clausen. Very few people were unhappy with Berry's selection and as it turned out, Clausen has been a major disappointment (and would have been a disaster at #5 overall).

In 2011, the Chiefs moved back and selected Baldwin. Matt Cassel had just come off of his finest season as a pro and there was very little hope that his successor would be drafted that year. There was very little discussion of QB's.

In 2013, everything came to a head. New coach, new GM, new direction from ownership, etc. That management team traded for, what they saw, as the best available option. Every QB in this draft comes with great risk and after successive seasons of 4-12, 2-14, 4-12, 10-6, 7-9 and 2-14, 2013 was not the time to make a gigantic leap of faith or take a risk. How this move turns out remains to be seen but it would be shocking if Alex Smith did not outperform any of the QB's selected in the 2013 draft.

All of that said, I don't think there's a single soul that posts in this forum that does not want the Chiefs to take a QB in the first round in hopes of developing him into a Franchise QB. So for all your bluster, you are not alone, so stop acting as if you're the only guy on Chiefsplanet that wants the Chiefs to draft, develop and win championships.

It's old. It's tired. It's boring. But most of all, it's completely false.

I'm not sure about Kaepernick, but you're definitely wrong about Russell Wilson. Teams loved him. The only reason he was not drafted in the top half of the first round was his height.

He had basically everything you want from a QB, but ideal height.

But that's not true. There were plenty of scouts that liked Kaepernick and Wilson but they were overruled by their GM (the Chiefs included).

Wilson's issue didn't stem from athleticism, leadership, or ability. It stemmed from his height. Kaepernick was passed over because of his competition.
And I disagree. As I stated earlier, E.J. Manuel is the only guy that I can look at and say "Wow, this guy has all the tools to be a Franchise QB". Smith has issues, Wilson has issues, Barkley has issues, Bray has issues.

And had Buffalo not needed a strong-armed QB, it's quite possible that he'd have fallen to the second round as well.

There were no "clean" prospects in this draft, despite the narrative passed around Chiefsplanet for five brutal months.

Who is this "we" you speak of? Not that it wasn't clearly obvious to anyone that's ever read your drivel, you've already admitted that you don't know anything about college players, scouting and so on.

You're a hanger-on. A hanging Chad. You have no original thoughts in your brain.

"We".

LMAO

We've heard a lot of this after the fact from GM'S but it sounds a lot like revisionist history. If you love a guy that much, you draft him.

I concur

Loving a guy and investing a first or second round draft pick can be mutually exclusive.

If they see Alex smith as the least risky and best option, fine. As much as sweet whatever his name is or whoever will argue, they were right this offseason in the direction they took.

With that said, if that's the route you go, there won't be much wiggle room from the fan base if they don't win early and often.

Going the route they did us fine, but they can't go that route and win 5 games and expect patience.

EJ Manuel has a shit ton of issues.

Only reason he was first picked is because he's huge.

Totally agree. He had 3 moments last year (during games) that were disappointing because of how he dealt with adversity so poorly.

I also questioned his ability to play quickly after his interview with Mooch.

That's why I have said the whole time that I just wanted to see them draft a quarterback and not repeat the same formula that has failed this fanbase so many times. It wasn't ever "only Geno" for me...I just saw him as the guy with the best total package. Maybe that was Manuel, or Glennon, or another guy.

I just hope they made the right call...but it just smells like another draft that we passed on a quarterback that will end up leading his team to a superbowl.

We have passed on damn near EVERY SUPERBOWL WINNING QUARTERBACK of the last 5-10 years and that's sad.

After watching almost 30 years of Chiefs football, I just wanted a reason to be excited again.

This team needs to stop spending high picks on the Glenn Dorseys of the world and take a shot at a Flacco or Rodgers.

What do we have to lose?

I'm just saying, if the guy has everything you want in a qb save for height, it's probably not smart to pass him 3 times over.


I'll also state that I'm still a bit skeptical of Wilson at this point. He was great at times late when it mattered though

I disagree. The Chiefs can start slow and finish the season 8-8, 9-7, 10-6, the fans will be just fine.

The Chiefs didn't invest two second round draft choices in order to win five games. With this coaching staff (the best since the Vermeil days and arguably the best since 1993) could win five games with Matt Cassel.

Barring catastrophic injury, this team's floor is eight wins with a ceiling of eleven.

Seattle didn't.

Considering the team's record the prior six seasons, dwindling attendance, fan apathy and the idea in league circles that the Chiefs were a joke, they stood to lose quite a bit if they chose a QB in the first round that wasn't worthy of that selection or ready to start and lead a winning team from day one.

IMO, there are only two guys in this draft that the Chiefs may eventually regret passing: Barkley and Manuel. And neither is even close to a sure thing.

I think it was really about knowing when to take him. The Seahawks GM had a chubby for him for a long time before the draft, so I'm shocked they didn't just take him in the 2nd.

I'm shocked more teams didn't fall in love with him enough to take him in round 2 at the Senior Bowl. But then again, there was a big run on QB's in 2011 and other dumbass GM's like Scooter didn't want him because of his height.

I would put a hell of a lot of money on the fact that Scooter didn't draft him simply because he wasn't tall enough. He wanted his Tom Brady prototype and damnit to hell if he was gonna take a chance on this guy, even though he had everything else you could possibly want from a QB prospect.

Obviously I'm not talking about Seattle.

Talking about all the GMs and front office guys who have come out after the Fav talking about how much they loved the guy, etc.

Yeah but how smart was he to wait until the third AND get Bobby Wagner in the second?

Pure genius.

Outside of Sac and a couple others, nobody called Geno a "clean" prospect.

But, like any draft, all you can hope for (when you need a quarterback) is that you evaluate properly and come out with the best you could get.

No prospect is perfect.

I don't see this as any different than passing on Rodgers for DJ...or passing on Flacco for Albert and Glenn Dorsey...

Until we get THAT GUY, this failed template should be scrapped.

Hopefully, Reid can keep Alex progressing like he has been the last couple years and make fools of us guys that want the team to draft a quarterback.

Once again, loving a guy and spending a first or second round draft choice on him are mutually exclusive.

I'm sure that there were several GM's that loved Justin Houston. If he continues to ascend, how many GM's will have said the same thing about him?

Teams can "love" a guy but at the same time, assign a draft value to him.

That's just not true

I guess it's good to be optimistic.

I didnt necessarily mean win early in the season, just that they need to win THIS season.


I think they have some talent, but there are still a lot of question marks this early.

Another thing to consider is that Seattle was a team that was very well built. Wilson entered a damn good situation. The defense was elite, Marshawn Lynch was a top 10 RB (arguably top 5), their OL and blocking was pretty solid, and they had some decent receiving options.

What pains me is that we had a solid foundation built up here last year and would have given that kid a great opportunity to succeed.

I think a guy like Houston falling was a little different though. Lotta people had a first round grade on him.

I don't remember if they did on Wilson. I also think Wilson was out into the perfect situation for him to succeed.

Also, if guys are gonna come out an say he was "perfect franchise qb material save for the height" after the fact it just seems fishy too me that they wouldn't spend a high pick for that.

The whole geno smith debate just goes to show that while we may think we do, in the end there is just information we don't know.


Same with bray etc guys who fall. The media plays it out like its a huge deal, but it seems tea have/ha them usually slotted where they endm up going.

this is where I'm at.
I understand the dire want and need to draft a quarterback but it didn't happen this off season and it's time to ****ing get over it.

While I agree that he has issues that may or may not be correctable, he was chosen for more reasons than his size.

The guy is smart and charismatic. He's dealt with adversity on the field and with his mother's breast cancer. He's a natural leader with a huge arm and top notch athleticism.

Again, he's the biggest Boom/Bust QB in this draft. There's no way he's average. He'll either be awesome or a bomb.

I thin kaepernick will be the one we will wish we didnt pass on

Why? Are you stating that height shouldn't be an issue?

Look, I agree that teams missed out on him but that's for a reason. Sub-6'1 QB's have traditionally struggled in the NFL, especially in a day and time when offensive lineman are routinely as tall as 6'6 or taller.

Please don't include me in the "we" category.

I'm just not sure Manuel can ever be accurate enough. For all the talent he had aroun him at FSU, he always seemed to be missing something too

The Bills haven't made the playoffs this century because of morons that draft guys like EJ Manuel in the first round.

They seriously give Scooter some contest for being the biggest moron in an NFL front office. I feel sorry for Bills fans too. They aren't so bad.
Idk if I could take the Chiefs going to the SB and losing every time. Talk about heartache.

IMO, there are less question marks on this team since 1997.

They're loaded defensively, they have an accurate WCO QB, the league's best running back, a solid if not spectacular offensive line, weapons at TE, a true franchise WR and so on. They have the best coaching staff since 1993, IMO.

I don't think they'll click on all cylinders from Day One but by Week Eight, barring catastrophic injuries, this team should be in sync and rolling.

Doug Whaley, their new GM, spent more than a decade spent in Pittsburgh before going to Buffalo. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt before slamming his draft class, which BTW, looks very good on paper.

Oh I would never do that.

Probably wouldn't include myself either, in that I didn't really get that into it I guess.

I wouldn't have cared if we had drafted the guy, I'm as excited about a QB as the next guy, but if they didn't think he was worth it, I figure it was probably the right decision.

Kaepernick
Wilson
Flacco
Braes
Rodgers


Just a matter of time until the list is added to...again.

In todays game, with more spread concepts, I don't think it's as big of an issue as it was previously.


But I was more referring to Runkc's comment that the guy had everything you could want from a QB, save for height.

The narrative was to take him at 1.1 and sit him.

And based on the pre-draft information that had been floating around since January, teams, coaches, scouts and mock drafters called this the worst draft for QB's in recent memory.

Judging by the lack of QB's taken early, that assessment was dead on, despite the fact that, once again, the Chiefsplanet narrative was that everyone leaking information was stupid and a "True Fan". Also, "Tons of QB's would go early because there's no risk due to the new CBA".

Wrong again.

Perfect? No. Close to it? Yes. Luck, Manning and Elway come to mind.

Of course it's different. The Chiefs were choosing 1.1. They were not choosing 25th. They didn't want to take a major risk at 1.1, especially when everyone that evaluated and interviewed the available crop of QB's in this draft felt anything other than "meh" about the entire class.

Rodgers fell but he was still a first rounder. Flacco was a "reach" but he was still a first rounder.

Conversely, Smith fell to the second round. He wasn't worthy of a first round selection or 1.1. Barkley and Wilson fell to the fourth. Glennon to the third (and wow, I just can't see that working out at all in Arizona). Bray went undrafted.

This scenario is not like passing on Rodgers or Flacco.

In favor of what, exactly? Drafting a QB just to draft a QB? That's ludicrous.

John Dorsey and Andy Reid were and are not under any obligation to draft a QB unless they deem that QB worthy of the draft slot.

As with KC Tattoo, this is a false narrative. There isn't a single person in this forum that would have objected to Andrew Luck or RGIII had either been available at 1.1. There may have been a few that objected to Sam Bradford and Cam Cameron, but both would have been wrong. And anyone that would have objected to Matt Ryan obviously didn't understand the issues with his surrounding cast in college.

The bottom line is that there were no slam dunks in this draft. There weren't even any guys that you could positively project as a long term starter.

It was a draft filled with QB's with question marks and very real risks. I personally have no problem with passing on guys with those issues.

I agree. I just think people are holding off on expecting something because we always think we can be good and our dreams get shattered, especially the last 2 years.

There just isn't enough track record with so many guys we will be counting on to get me that far yet.

But, I do agree that coaching staff wise, this one is probably the best we've had since then and could be argued as the best we have ever had.

Only time will tell.

At this point, he's anomaly. If shorter QB's begin to have his type of success in the NFL, it will be a trend.

Personally, I can't see it happening.

I think Brees is the anomaly, in that he's the traditional guy who's short. Wilson isn't as much the traditional pocket guy.

I don't think guys who are shorter than 6 foot will ever be the norm, but I think the days of the 6"6 pocket passer are less and less likely. the 6"0-6"2 could be more likely.

This team has a lot of talent...for sure. I can see your scenario playing out just as I thought last year had potential to be special...but we all saw what happened when "on paper" became "on the field" and it wasn't pretty.

This years team has a lot of unproven talent on it that can be vital to the failure or success and if Alex Smith can hold up his end of the bargain, we may have something.

It sure would be nice to enjoy the games again.

Boss Chief, how long do we have to look at that stupid shit in your sig?

I do think we will see more QB's who might not be as "sure" things as some in the past because of the CBA, but I think that also shows just how shitty this years class was.


Typical Chiefs though. Had we just sucked for Luck I guess.

I lost a bet to gochiefs that Charles would get 300 touches last year, coming off his torn acl.

It was for a full year and kicked in during week 16 of last season iirc.

Ick.

Off the top of my head, Manning, Manning, Flacco, Rothlisberger, Freeman, Ryan, Newton, Luck, Kaepernick, Brady, Tannehill, Manuel, and Rivers are all 6'5 or taller.

"Ideal Size" for scouts and GM's is 6'3, 225 and that's really a "baseline".

Short guys will not become the trend.

Again, I think the Chiefs have the finest coaching staff since the 1993 Chiefs.

Marty was a great regular season head coach and brought many wins to KC. In retrospect, Gunther Cunningham was a much better head coach than he was given credit for by me (and practically everyone else, save for KCJohnny) at the time. Vermeil's staff was very good offensively and very poor defensively.

Everyone knew that there was a dropoff between Vermeil and Herm. But what most people didn't expect (myself not included because I did expect it) was that there was a dropoff between Todd Haley and Herm. And even worse was the dropoff between Haley and Crennel!

This team's fan base hasn't seen competent offensive and defensive coaching staffs (let alone, head coaching) since really 1997. And because of that, the fans have forgotten how important a great coaching staff is to the overall equation.

It's just sickening that this team won two games while sending six guys to the Pro Bowl. Say what you will about the Pro Bowl but it is the best indicator of individual talent available to the masses.

Sending 5 to the top 100 list (and one of them not being Hali or Berry) and only winning 2 games is criminal.

I bet last years team could have won 7-8 games with Kyle Orton (if we had re-signed him instead of Quinn) and I can at least say Alex Smith is a better player than him.

Add that to the massive upgrade in coaching staff and we have a chance to make some noise this year.

Like I said, I don't think short will ever be the trend.

But with spread concepts becoming more prevalent, I think the league will become more accepting if you will, of guys like Alex Smith who aren't 6"6 pocket passers.

I think guys like Tannehill and Newton and Kap become more the norm. Ej being the latest case. There will probably always be a place for a Manning but I dunno if it will be the ideal anymore.

Kinda feel like Brad Smith was just before his time

Before the season, I would have agreed. But after watching that disastrous coaching staff, I'm not sure that Peyton Manning could have willed that team to eight wins.

Seriously.

I hope it doesn't, but it might take se time to make noise because of all the change.