Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9824279)

I think Wilson is a scheme dependent QB. I don't think he could excel in a Brees type system but he's in a great situation in Seattle.

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9824288)

I can handle it.

We may not make the playoffs. Depends on a lot of factors. But I really think this team should be in contention for either West title (Manning be damned) or Wild Card for nearly all of the 17 weeks.

I'll be totally shocked if we see something like last season when we didn't lead a game with the clock running until somewhere around Thanksgiving.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 9824295)

Almost all QBs are scheme dependent. But I agree, Seattle is a great spot for him.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9824263)

It's a pig heart so....

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9824272)

Here I tell you what. You get free reign of my sig and I get 1 line on yours. Bad girls stays the same. Also whatever I put on there must contain the word "pickle"

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 9824291)

Because Stanzi was a guy Pioli drafted, Palko wasn't. He was the only QB on the roster that wasn't a true Pioli guy. No one had a shot as long as Cassel was healthy.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9824303)

For me, thats one of the ways I define someone who's "elite" and someone who isn't.

Manning (in his prime) could go anywhere and run the system. Same with Brady, to an extent. Obviously they couldn't be runners ala RGIII, but in terms of a WCO, etc I think they could.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 9824317)

True, but those guys are some of the best to ever play the position. They are very, very, very rare.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9824316)

There's a fine line between principle and stupid.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9824253)

I'm having a really hard time even fathoming your perspective right now.

Drafts happen before players play NFL games, so we're forced to ascertain "value" before the latter happens.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9824253)

Barkley was value. I don't give a flying **** how he performs. These are separate issues, and you know this. What the hell is going on?

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9824254)

I know you didn't ask me, but I expect a team that will be in contention for either AFC West champions or AFC Wild Card all season long. 2010, the bulk of this team was in the playoffs. 2011 they damn near made it without Charles and Berry the whole season... with Palko at the helm for part of the season. Succop makes a FG against the Faid, and the 2011 team is in. 2012 could have been the season, but Pioli saddled the team with his boy Gus. IMO, that is the sole reason for the 2-14 debacle. Haley wanted him gone... instead Haley got gone. RAC wanted Orton. Pioli would have none of it. RAC tried to change his stripes and say he backed Gus, but the players that were here knew better. Winston went to bat for Gus. Nobody else did. And I'm not just talking the injury thing.

Enter new regime and Smith. The players are already saying the chemistry is great. Bowe and Charles are talking career years. Things are looking up.

I'm expecting playoff contention all year long. Maybe even a playoff run. Stranger things have happened.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9824310)

I don't make bets of any kind on CP. Because I just don't give a ****.

That said, I encourage you to point out all of my errors if any of my takes end up turning to shit. I'll own them.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 9824321)

Agree, but had you been in the prison that Haley was in would you have done much differently? It seemed like he was trying to get fired (which he succeeded in).

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9824247)

I'm still trying to figure out why anybody thought that either Cousins or Stanzi was worth a shit going into that draft.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9824336)

I think Cousins is a career backup, who's good enough for a spot start when your guy gets injured.

I don't think he'd be much more as a full time starter.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9824326)

Me neither. Let's ramp it up. Jesus, I couldn't offer you a more one sided bet if I was mother Theresa.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9824336)

I think Cousins is a career backup, who's good enough for a spot start when your guy gets injured.

I don't think he'd be much more as a full time starter.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9824330)

I'm not going to buy all that shit. I agree there was something to it, but it wasn't alcatraz. For ****s sake Haley was a virtual mad man on the sidelines.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9824340)

The problem is that you're offering something that I'm not the least bit interested in. Not in any capacity.

Sigs? Seriously?

I don't give a **** about that. You might as well try to offer casino cash.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 9824343)

Fair enough, but we will have to agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9824342)

I might be wrong but I don't give a shit.

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9824353)

Thats the spirit, we're all wrong at one time or another so why get twisted into a knot about it.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9824347)

Here we go. 1 thread started by either one of us that simply says: "_____, winner of bet was right. He is the man. I bow to thee."

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9824349)

I like your smile.

Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9824145)

So you want a hands on owner like Al Davis, Dan Snyder or Jerry Jones? Brilliant!

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9824299)

To make the moves they've made, they think they can win now.

So if they think it, I'm gonna think it.

If they win 9 games and miss out the last week, thats a success IMO.

But if they've made these moves and win 6 games, it's a steaming pile of failure.

And FWIW, I don't think the playoffs depend on alot of factors. We control our own destiny from the getgo, it's on us to go get it.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 9824363)

Unacceptable response unless you phrase it with some sort of condiment reference.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9824361)

OK, and we're "betting" what? When Smith's brains are scrambled in week 10 and Daniel(s) steps in brilliantly to lead us to the SB, what then?

Seriously, CP bets...not doing it. So let's stop talking about it.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9824371)

If we win 10 and don't make the playoffs, it'll be a miracle.

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9824374)

If KC can't pull even a wild card win out of their asses this year; FAIL.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9824375)

vagina with cheeze

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9824354)

Scott Free I've decided that I like you.

You're one of 19 here that I do.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9824373)

I like your smile with my horsey sauce all over it.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9824380)

The option to start a thread calling me out is always open. No need to bet on it.

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9824378)

It doesn't happen very often, but it has happened. In fact, I think Gus was 11-5 and didn't get in with the Pats.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9824393)

Diddy would Welch. He's that guy.
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Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9824398)

You're full of shit. I don't welch. How's the warranty repair business coming on your own handy work. BTW, a weld is supposed to not consist of JB Weld, however after my own heart condition deal I couldn't show you.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9824388)

Yeah, but IIRC, that was due to schedule strength and the Phins having a horseshoe up ass lucky season.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9824398)

You're full of shit. I don't welch. How's the warranty repair business coming on your own handy work. BTW, a weld is supposed to not consist of JB Weld, however after my own heart condition deal I couldn't show you.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9824403)

JB weld is my go to guy.

No welding with a maker? Good to know
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9824403)

JB weld is my go to guy.

No welding with a maker? Good to know
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Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9824354)

Scott Free I've decided that I like you.

You're one of 19 here that I do.

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9824407)

In rEnglish, prease?

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9824407)

In rEnglish, prease?

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9824410)

My guess is since you singled SF out, none of the rest of us posting right now made the cut, huh?

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9824412)

Hey Sweet Cummy Belly


What you need to know, sweet miracle whip gargler

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9824409)

ARC will tear you up like a kitten with a ball of catnip.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9824415)

he told me I was out months ago...

**** that guy.
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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9824410)

My guess is since you singled SF out, none of the rest of us posting right now made the cut, huh?

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9824422)

Everyone's got a list these days
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9824417)

Really?
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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9824407)

In rEnglish, prease?

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9824435)

oh yeah. Like Rausch said, perhaps a faulty microwave has my number. It's delicate. I hate it and it was an unknown (not even discussed factor) going in

I go to sleep each night with the feeling of falling asleep on the remote except the remote is sown in between layers of skin. Cool thing is I got a card that gets my through the security gates at airports quicker.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9824440)

btw the rEnglish didn't escape me


lol too funny


Truth is I like everyone. I'm just quicker to jump on some than others because they irritate the **** out of me.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9824441)

Meh we could all go at any time. **** it
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9823761)

So you really think Andy Reid is going to completely change his philosophy of how he runs an offense after 10 plus years?

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9823833)

It's irrelevant, because there's no way this team is winning more than 8 games.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 9824583)

With this schedule, coaching staff and personnel, they are going 11-5 and winning the division.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 9824600)

even when Smith gets injured around mid season?

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9823432)

I would disagree.

It may have not been printed on the banners but sick of losing is what fueled the fire. If you can't see that you're naive.

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9823558)

So Harbaugh's schemes actually held Alex back? LMAO

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9824628)

A lot of the fans flying the banners wanted Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith.

If they were the GM's, this organization would still be ****ed.

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9823511)

The problem is that his YPA is complete misinformation.

He's not a guy who throws the ball down the field.

He was near the bottom of the league in yards per completion.

It's real easy to prop up a mediocre QB with completion percentage and QB rating.

Meanwhile he's still only producing 190 yards a game (or less).

Alex Smith is fool's gold.

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9823604)

They were. Some people want to overlook a few things here, because to look at them would put a dent in their agenda.

**** snip ****

Is Alex limited? Eh... if compared to some of the freakish QBs emerging in the league. He can make all the throws though, and is fairly athletic himself. Andy Reid wouldn't have given up that much if he agreed with others here in that Alex is mediocre at best. I think many people know he is good... but they also feel (and have a point) that he isn't exciting. And these days, the fantasy football kiddies want the big plays and dynamic ball-chucking.

There are a lot of valid reasons for why our offensive numbers were not eye-popping. Still though, it was some impressive efficiency happening despite the aforementioned issues.

Originally Posted by Greg Cosell

It’s very easy to blame Kyle Williams for the 49ers NFC Championship defeat. Certainly, without his punt return mistakes, San Francisco had a legitimate chance to advance to Super Bowl 46.

It could be argued that the 49ers played their brand of football against the Giants. They ran the ball 28 times for 150 yards, including 2 runs by Alex Smith out of the read option. Smith threw 26 passes, completing 12 for 196 yards and 2 beautiful touchdowns to Vernon Davis. He did not throw an interception. That’s the kind of offensive balance and efficiency the 49ers have preached, and executed, all season.

No miscues by Williams deep in San Francisco territory, and 49ers football reigns. I imagine the faithful see it that way. For those who do, the discussion is over. Nothing more needs to be said or evaluated.

It’s never that simple. As always, a careful study of the coaching tape revealed much more. The NFC Championship should not have been as close as it was. I wrote last week that Smith was the difference against the Saints in the Divisional Playoff, a game in which he was outstanding, especially in critical moments. Unfortunately for the 49ers, against the Giants, Smith was also the difference.

Let’s start with the first 3rd down of the game. It was 3rd and 4; the 49ers had already gotten 1 first down. Michael Crabtree ran a sail route (kind of a flattened corner route). He was wide open. Smith, with no pressure in the pocket, did not pull the trigger. It was a throw that had to be made. The result of the play was an incompletion on a late check down to Frank Gore.

The first play of the 49ers fourth offensive possession was also telling. It was a shot play, a called big play off Smith boot action. Williams ran a deep post off a stutter move. The double move froze Corey Webster, and Williams raced by him. The design of the play worked. Smith overthrew Williams by 5 yards. A good throw, and it was a touchdown. An adequate throw, and it was still a 50 yard gain. This was another missed opportunity.

But the first play of the second half was perhaps the most indicative of Smith’s performance. You come out of halftime with a specific plan. The 49ers went to one of their staples, the wheel route. A shot play right out of the gate. Delanie Walker, from his line of scrimmage tight end position, ran by a slipping Webster. The concept worked to perfection. Walker screamed down the sideline. Smith again did not pull the trigger from a clean pocket. He ended up getting sacked for a 7 yard loss.

These are just a few examples of Smith’s tentative and uncertain pocket play last Sunday. The bottom line was this: Smith was reluctant to let it loose on routes and throws that were not only well designed, but were open. They were primary reads. No progressions were involved.

One of the attributes that separates high level quarterback play in big games and critical moments is the willingness to make stick throws into smaller windows. Smith did that with confidence against the Saints. In the NFC Championship game, he was hesitant and cautious on throws that were clearly defined. Simply put, Smith left a lot of plays on the field against the Giants. While Williams publicly shouldered the burden of defeat, it was his quarterback who failed to deliver on the promise he had shown a week earlier.

Originally Posted by GordonGekko (Post 9823745)

Dude, you gotta take the risk. That is the point. The Rams took the risk. It is not always going to pan out, but you still have to keep trying. Look at Indy, Jeff George shat all over them yet they didn't hesitate to take another QB when the time was right (Manning). Chiefs don't do this, and have not done so in 40+ years. What also hasn't happened in 40+ years for the Chiefs?

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9823661)

Sam Bradford = 231 YPG
Alex Smith = 174 YPG

:LOL:

Originally Posted by Maverick91579 (Post 9823856)

No, I don't hope the 49ers lose. They can win with Colt McCoy for all I give a shit. I just don't like Kaepernick. Ill still begrudgingly be rooting for them. You wont see me with a Kaepernick jersey on though.

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9824739)

From the man who once posted here "I'm not a 49ers fan. **** the 49ers!"

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9824202)

According to the CP perspective QB's taken in the second round are flukes. The only way to win a SB is to get one in the first.

Point being you shall not have your cake and eat it too.

If you admit a QB can be had outside of the first round of the draft then you concede that they can be had anywhere.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9824276)

and I hope so, but Haley played ****ing Palko. Why didn't he try the hand of Stanzi. That makes no sense.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9824388)

Yeah, but IIRC, that was due to schedule strength and the Phins having a horseshoe up ass lucky season.

If the Chiefs win 10 games this year, they'll make the playoffs either by winning the division or by WC.

The AFC East will have the Pats and potentially the Phins but I'm not sure they have more than 1 team win 10. The North could potentially have 3 teams win 8 or more, but I figure as usual, they'll beat up on each other.

I think the Broncos, Ravens, Colts, Texans, Bengals, Steelers, fight for the spots, so all we really have to do is beat out one of those teams and I don't see that many 10 win teams there.

Really, the AFC outside the Broncos and really, the Bengals, is fairly weak.