Stat Comparison for Linebackers Drafted in 2011
 

You and I have a different definition of once in a decade. Here are, roughly, the 6th best performing linebackers from the 2011 draft. Kerrigan was listed as a DE during the draft, but plays linebacker.

The stats I am using are GAMES - SACKS PER GAME - COMBINED TACKLES PER GAME - FORCED FUMBLES - FUMBLE RECOVERIES - INTERCEPTIONS - PASSES DEFENDED - POINTS SCORED. Each player is ranked in each category 1-6 with 1 being the best and 6 being the worst. The lowest point total being the best and the highest point total being the worst.


In my opinion, this group of stats better represents the players overall impact much better than the SACK stat alone. I compiled these stats with no clue as to what the outcome would reveal. That is to say that I did not cherry pick stats to benefit Houston, or to handicap Miller.


I also added the round drafted and the overall player taken, but did not score these (obviously)

Because of Chiefsplanet's lack of ability to save stats like this in a table, I tried to attached the excel sheet as well, but even though it met the criteria, I could not attach it. If, for some crazy reason anyone would like to view it, I would be happy to email it.


1st RD #2 overall - MILLER - 31 games played - .97 sacks per game - 4.25 tackles per game - 8 forced fumbles - 0 fumble recoveries - 1 interception - 6 passes defended - 6 points scored Von Miller ESPN Stats


3rd RD #70 overall - HOUSTON - 35 games played - .66 sacks per game - 3.97 tackles per game - 3 forced fumbles - 3 fumble recoveries - 1 interception - 13 passes defended - 2 points scored Justin Houston ESPN Stats


1st RD #7 overall - SMITH - 34 games played - 1.09 sacks per game - 3.38 tackles per game - 5 forced fumbles - 1 fumble recoveries - 1 interception - 5 passes defended - 2 points scored Aldon Smith ESPN Stats


1st RD #16 overall - KERRIGAN - 34 games played - .56 sacks per game - 3.82 tackles per game - 7 forced fumbles - 1 fumble recoveries - 2 interceptions - 12 passes defended - 6 points scored Ryan Kerrigan ESPN Stats


3rd RD #84 overall - FOSTER - 34 games played - .18 sacks per game - 6.00 tackles per game - 2 forced fumbles - 2 fumble recoveries - 3 interceptions - 5 passes defended - 6 points scored Mason Foster ESPN Stats


2nd RD #39 overall - AYERS - 34 games played - .24 sacks per game - 5.38 tackles per game - 2 forced fumbles - 1 fumble recoveries - 1 interception - 10 passes defended - 0 points scored Akeem Ayers ESPN Stats


The overall ranking based on scoring 1-6 in each of these categories:


Justin Houston - 21 pts - Most passes defended and most fumbles recovered.

Ryan Kerrigan - 21 pts - Second most forced fumbles and second most passes defended

Mason Foster - 23 pts - Most tackles per game and most interceptions

Von Miller - 26 pts - Most forced fumbles and second most sacks per game

Aldon Smith - 27 pts - Most sacks per game

Akeem Ayers - 29 pts - Second most tackles per game and third most passes defended

Smith and Miller have the 1st and 2nd most sackes per game, but lesser known players Foster and Ayers have the 1st and 2nd most tackles per game.

Most people like the SACK stat, as do I, but tackles are important too. And for linebackers, passes defended is also an important stat. Obviously the SACK stat is the most ballyhooed and gets players the big money, but linebackers need to be well rounded.

So, while Miller get lots of sacks, Houston has many more passes defended, and while Miller creates a lot of fumbles, Houston has recovered more fumbles. In the future Miller may separate from these other players and prove to be special, but right now, compared to these other players, there is NO PROOF that he is a "once in a decade type player."

And here is two more factors to add into this equation: Miller was the overall #2 player taken, and Houston was the 70th player taken; And Houston will be playing in the first 6 games this year, and Miller will be watching.

So, given all the info I have compiled, plus draft position and availability, I would say that we are getting more value for Houston than Denver is getting for Miller.

And yes, I was really bored.



P.S. Just for fun I tried to compare Derrick Thomas and Lawrence Taylor, but I cannot find complete statistics for each player. In Taylor's first year in the league, 1981, sacks were not an official stat. He is, however, widely credited with 9.5 that year.

So, based on the first 3 full years of their career, LT had 26 sacks for an average of .63 per game. DT had 43.5 sacks for an average of .93 per game. If Miller and Houston keep their averages now, assuming they play in all games they are eligible for (counting regular season only) Miller will have 39.5 sacks in his first three years, and Houston will have 31.5 over his first three years. I would stipulate that I believe Houston will have more than 31.5 career sacks by the end of this season because his sack per game percentage has taken a sharp increase over the last three games.

Ok, I will stop now. My OCD kicked in, and I could not stop.

Von might be a little bit better as a pure pass rusher than Houston. It's sad that he's pissed it all away. What could have been!

Don't spread homer bullshit on this forum and we won't lump Houston in with Von.

Deal?

So basically what those stats show is Von Miller isn't even the best pass rusher in his own draft. Yet, he's once in a decade talent?

FYP :D

Can't wait to see Miller go the way of Merriman after his drugs are no longer available.

VONSDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED

Who cares about some druggie?

And don't make it seem like it was only weed. He has tested positive for numerous drugs including exctasy and meth.

In fact, his next failed test carries a 1 year suspension and they now test him 10 times a month because he has so many failed tests.

Dude had to ask his mom and dad to live with him because he is so irresponsible.

Not meth, just an amphetamine. Adderall is an amphetamine. Doesn't necessarily mean meth

X and meth ? What?

Knowmo is a smelly ****.

Molly (which is basically uncut MDMA) and amphetamine.

you didn't hear about that?

Google Von Miller and Molly or Amphetamine and you will see lots of reports.

Von has got the blue yo

Again, an amphetamine doesn't necessarily mean meth.

Respect you but you don't know your drugs...

Inform me.

As I read it, Molly is MDMA which is the active ingredient in X.

As far as meth goes, I thought amphetamine was the same as meth.

Admittedly, I don't know my drugs.

Meth is an amphetamine, but not all amphetamines are meth.

I'd imagine it was adderall that he got dinged for

The point is that he tested positive for more than just weed.

He has tested positive for at least 3 different banned drugs.

Uncut MDMA? You are on drugs.

You seem awfully defensive about the labeling of illegal drugs.

Meth is an amphetamine, but so are many other drugs. Think of amphetamines as go-go drugs. Speed and adderall are amphetamines.

It's just because there's a huge difference in being a meth head and a pro athlete using some gogo juice to keep him going.

All squares are quadrilaterals but not all quadrilaterals are squares.

Von Miller is a 1 year wonder who's career will flame out after his next driving under the influence of crack kills another innocent human. That's assuming he's not gunned down in a strip club over a gang dispute.

The guy hangs with Bam Morris and Pacman Jones. Birds of a feather....

Molly is basically the same trip as X, with a little steeper comedown and not as bad of a hangover.

And you're right. It's pure MDMA, uncut. X is typically cut with LSD, heroin, cocaine or some other 'base'.

LMAO


I don't know shit about drugs. This thread is very informative.

One Question:

What is "Cut"?

ROFL

Oh you silly goose, you crack me up, go tell mom i said you could have a juice box.

Split. They mix the ingredients. Think of mixing cinnamon with sugar.

Drug dealers typically 'cut' cocaine with baking powder or similar substances to get more volume out of their products. They turn an ounce into 5 ounces that way = more money.

Interesting.


Why do they do this? Is this like Jesse Pinkman mixing Chili Powder with his meth?

Nah, he did that for 'flavor'. It's supposed to enhance the high as far as X is concerned. But usually drugs are cut with similar substances so that the distributor can get more money for less product. It's like potato chip companies filling the bag with air so that it seems fuller...in reality, you're only getting about 1/3 bag of chips.

Yes, but calling the guy a meth head seems over the top.

Not all amphetamines are illegal drugs

How so?


Again, adderall, an amphetamine, isn't an illegal drug.

The chemical structure and acting mechanisms of amphetamine are actually almost identical to those of caffeine. They work the same way and do the same things to the human body, with different strengths of course. Both have addictive properties and cause artificial energy. Obviously, meth is going to ruin your life much quicker than Coca-Cola will, but you get the picture.

It's completely illegal if you don't have a prescription.

Does Von have a prescription? Highly doubtful.

BTW...it's scrolling on ESPN right now that Von tried to undermine the drug policy by working with a "sample collector" to try to hide positive tests.


The guy is a real class act.

And I didn't call him a meth head, I called him a druggie.

He has failed tests for 3 different drugs, so the statement was accurate.

According to Schefter and Mortensen, the "sample collector" was willing to substitute another players urine (that was clean) for Millers dirty sample and the league found out.

That's another reason his suspension was longer than 4 games.

I just saw that. Apparently it's now out that he tried to cheat the drug screening process. Wouldn't be surprised if they tack more games onto his suspension.

I'd also like to note that (like I said at the time and was rudiculed) Miller was in danger of being suspended for the whole year because of this.

You stated that he was taking x and meth. That's not necessarily accurate and that's what I was referring too.

Of course it's illegal to have it with no script, but that's the case with basically any upper class narcotic or med.

It doesn't make the drug illegal like meth though, that's all I'm saying

Someone was saying on twitter per the new cab they can't increase it

An uncut drug is pure.

Often, drugs are cut to increase profit. Cut 100g of pure cocaine with 10g of aspirin, and you just sold 10g of "cocaine" for the cost of aspirin. Think of it as watering down the whiskey. And the good thing about illegal drugs is the customers are druggies and they can't tell the difference or go to the authorities when ripped off.

Other times, drugs are cut to combine effects. Meth is added to mdma to add an energy boost to the euphoria. Again, there's a financial incentive of adding cheap meth to expensive mdma. Think of it as watering down good whiskey with cheaper whiskey.

No, this is why it went from 4 to 6 games. The NFL already knew, we're just finding out the details now.

It is when its mixed with mdma and sold as ecstasy.

Either way, the guys obviously a piece of shit so it doesn't matter

Pothead
Liar
Cheater
Illegal drug abuser
Needs to have mom and dad live with him to be responsible
Doesn't show up for court
Drives without a license
Involved with multiple murders


What have I missed?

Yeah we are seeing that 6 games is absolutely horseshit and he should not play a down

Why did Hali only miss one game for his drug abuse when the minimum is 4 games?

What up, PGM?

Because it was his first offence, Von is a repeat offender.

Not really sure why you're trying to downplay his drug abuse. Seems like you're trying to muddle things with semantics when the reality is that Von Miller is known to have been caught using illegal drugs on more than one occasion.

Ocity, it's an illegal drug if it's taken with no prescription.

That's why it's called a "controlled substance"

"possession of a controlled substance" is the same charge if you have Adderal with no prescription or bathtub meth.

No, you don't get a suspension for a first offense.

Then it must be because Hali is a decent human being and Miller is a thug that needs a Broncos payroll chaperone to try and keep him out of prison.

The real question is why isn't Von getting suspended for a whole year.

First offense is 4
Second offense is 8
Third is a whole year.

Von has tested positive for 3 banned substances and on top of that tried to cheat the system.

The guy should be thanking the league for not taking out the trash.

Maybe I missed it, but I don't remember him having previous issues. I'd happily eat crow if you can show me otherwise.

Peyton Manning

LMAO

"Von should be suspended for a season."

"Why did Hali get a reduced suspension?"

"Yeah, but Von should be suspended for a season."

I'm just stating that the drug itself isn't illegal, it's the act of having the drug without proper paperwork. It's the same with codeine.

Obviously the guy is a real piece of work, and I for know what he was taking or got caught with.

I guess it's more of a legality issue I was arguing instead of specifically miller so sorry to interrupt the convo. Carry on

Failed drug tests that don't result in suspensions almost never get publicized. However, it is league policy that you don't get suspended for your first failed drug test. Therefore, Hali failed more than one drug test, yet missed only one game.

Hardly the same thing, but continue acting like the tool you are.

Maybe MagicHef can move in to continue scrubbing his tainted balls.

Clearly none of us know all the details so are left to speculate.

What is your speculation as to why Hali got a break while Miller got treated like a career offender?

Hali failed 1 test and owned up to it and showed remorse.

Miller has failed AT LEAST 3 tests, tried to cheat the system, is involved with multiple murders, doesnt show up for court, said "he did nothing wrong" and has been in the NFL drug program since he was a rookie.

The two situations aren't even remotely similar.

Thanks. Fascinating stuff.

It's an illegal drug, o.

The only way it's legal is if you have a prescription.

Why are you defending it?

It's no different than any other illegal drug.

Please expand on the nonsense you're writing about the murders. He was one of hundreds of people on a list of possible witnesses for the trial. The list was basically anyone who had been to that club in the few days before the murders.

He was as involved in those murders as much as you were involved with a carjacking that took place on a road you once drove on.

I'm not saying they're the same thing.

I'm saying that if you can figure out why Hali only served 25% of the suspension he should have gotten, maybe you can stretch your brain enough to figure out why Miller is only serving 38% of a yearlong suspension.

Well, at least he's not a proven murderer yet.

I guess that takes the sting out of him being a drug dealer, gang member, and overall shining example of how to pacman your way through life.

Yes, with no prescription, it's illegal to possess.

Same as Vicodin or percodan.

But that doesn't make the drug itself illegal. I think that's our misunderstanding.

I still don't see why you are defending this, o.

Adderal is an illegal drug.

The only thing that makes it legal is a prescription, therefore Von Miller took an illegal drug when he took adderal.

Ha, he's a drug dealer and a gang member now?

Also, to be perfectly clear, it is impossible for Hali to have only failed one drug test. It would have been against the CBA for him to be suspended, and the NFLPA would not have allowed it.

Do you consider Vicodin and illegal drug?

Basically by that definition all prescription drugs are illegal

Not much bud. Just taking things one day at a time.

Stop being obtuse.

We all know the difference between taking prescribed drugs and supplementing your lean by snorting oxycontin.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...a-murder-case/

He is listed as someone who could testify about the “prior events” and “attire” of Dexter Lewis, who is charged with killing five people last October inside Fero’s Bar and Grill. *Miller is identified as a “possible acquaintance” of a friend of Lewis.

It does make for a hellofa night tho

He accidentally inhaled secondhand marijuana smoke at a tupperware party. Stop trying to paint him as a bad guy.

/MagicHomer

Yes, maybe he saw him at the restaurant when he was there, like all the other people on that list.

Also, I bet you're "possible acquaintances" with friends of people who have done awful things. Doesn't make you involved.

Ummm, yeah. I do consider vocodin an illegal drug.

Because it's illegal.

Get caught with an illegal drug without a prescription and you go to jail.

Not sure why you are being so defensive about this.

Hahahaha

The guy was at the restaurant before 5 people were stabbed to death there and proceeded to burn the place down, knew the murderer and is listed as a witness that may be called during sentencing.

I diet say he committed a crime, I said he is a druggie that hangs around criminals.

I'm sorry that your superman isn't a good guy after all.

Hopefully, mom and dad can help the kid become a decent human.