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Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl 33m

TE Tony Moeaki is now on IR.
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What?

The reason you played STs in HS is not because you were great at.
Its because you sucked at everthing else.

"Zilla, SNR!!!!". "Punt team!!!"

Is it just me, or wasn't our special teams play dog shit over the last few years? How is that possible with the aces we were holding? Was it like the same tournament that Boss was playing in last night when Qs beat his cowboys?

I'm sure toub was left out of the discussion, rolleyes
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I count 5.

"Coach is grooming me to be a gunner, dad. Isn't that great?"

*sigh* "yeah, son"

LMAO.

The wrong 53.

5 CBs and 5 Safeties :shrug:

Toub groomed them to be gunners over berry, bowe, and charles...

oh wait, I mean he 'chose' them over the 3 other 3rd stringers who only played on special teams...

jesus tits, special teams coaches get handed bags of meat to work with...the shittiest, cheapest cuts of meat available

apparently keeping our 'special teams gunner aces specialists' is more important than improving our actual roster depth...

If the new CBA is worth it's weight in paper. If he had legitimate injury concerns he shouldn't have been cut without an injury settlement. It's Moeaki...

LMAO

Yeah, because that had nothing to do with coaching. Because our Special Teams was a complete disaster this preseason.

McDougald

Cut already
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Gawn

LMAO

It sucks they cut Powe. I thought he was playing well.

It amazes me that people don't read the thread - which is titled "Chiefs start making cuts" and included several posts with links to the cuts
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Keeping bubble roster depth who can play special teams exceptionally well is a hell of a lot better than keeping bubble roster depth who are not great at special teams. Hell, there are plenty of special teams aces who are there only for special teams.

And the idea that all good teams treat their special teams players like "cuts of meat" is ridiculous. Plenty of good players and starters play special teams. Not everyone is good at special teams, and few are exceptional at it. Like I said, the move is fine if Cooper and Parker end up being true quality depth guys or nickel/dime guys. But last time we had this conversation, we carelessly traded away Javier Arenas and the backup guys like Agnew and Cox ended up being not only complete disasters, but also did nothing to help out in special teams.

LMAO:$2500:

When Toub looks at the entire roster and picks 2 guys to train the entire preseason to be your gunners, my guess is, he was disappointed to lose these guys. He's a special teams coach. I'm sure he's used to it, and I'm sure he's not going to pout about it. He's a pro and will take what he's given.

But people trying to undermine these guys as not being good special teams guys or claiming that this was a Toub decision are being ridiculous. They were very good at special teams, and I'm sure Toub would have loved to keep them. He wouldn't bring these guys in to be gunners if not.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could get special teams players who were good at doing something other than special teams? The players released could barely make it on the field exceptt to recklessly run down the field and throw their bodies at return men....a position that doesn't require a lot of skill...sorry they are gone

It concerns me that they cut or traded several good special teams guys (Brown, Diles, and Jones for example). I hope they don't screw up the good special teams thing we had going. We have cut a bunch of guys and added like seven (?) new players today.

Wouldn't it be nice if you actually had any concept of what special teams does, and actually gave them some credit for it? It requires skill to be a gunner, and plenty of teams have players who are purely gunners.

And like I said, I'm not pushing for Copper, who was exceptional in special teams. I think the idea that a guy like Ron Parker, who was cut 5 times, is going to be that much better than Brown at CB + special teams in total value is silly, just as it was absolutely insane to trade Javier Arenas and replace him with Agnew and Cox. I always give these things a chance. But if Cox is anything short of exceptional at nickel, or at least a quality depth corner, then this is a terrible move. IMO.

Toub is probably the best st coach in the league. Pretty sure he had his say.

Do tell what skill(s) a "gunner" must be taught to be good at their profession?

He didn't bring in anyone to be gunners. He took the shit that was there. You are assuming he doesn't think the new guys could be better
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No ****ing way. He hand picked those guys out of everyone in the whole wide world to be his special project gunners
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They are small fast guys who have to be able to beat double team blocks like a defensive lineman.

They have to be taught a lot. It's a hard job.

Run. Fast if possible. Then throw your body at something that's moving
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I didn't know speed was a teachable skill? Shed blocks - wow that is epic - anything else or is shedding blocks the main requirement?

LMAO

Double team blocks

Most small guys can't do it well.

Laugh it up. I am telling it like it is.

Like I said, I'll see how it plays out. None of these guys were special teams aces anywhere else. I'm pretty sure these guys weren't brought in for special teams. And of course I know Wylie and brown weren't brought in by toub. Again, he looked at the roster and decided these two guys were his best special teams guys. I don't know how anyone can dispute that. It sure looks like these were cuts made that had little to do with special teams value. Again, argue their value elsewhere all you want or if ST aces deserve a spot , but admit these guys were good at special teams.

So we should have kept how many special teams aces?
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Wylie and brown weren't special teams aces before either
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**** off. You know damn well that's not at all wwhat I was claiming.

Brown has always been terrific at special teams with kc. Wylie was exceptional at college and was projected to do this after he was drafted.

Lol. You even said he brought those guys in specifically to be gunners
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52 - every one but Alex Smith is an emergency Gunner

Brown was not. He missed takes his first year and looked lost out there. He touched down a couple punts inside the ten. That doesn't make him an ace
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sounds like that's the way some expect it to be
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Each team keeps two gunners. And I wouldn't push for these moves except I think these guys are fine bottom of the roster bubblr guys without special teams, let alone with it. Copper without special teams brings nothing.

Don't be one of those dicks that pick on word choice. You're better than that. I'm stupid about a lot of things, but I'm not stupid to not realize these guys were here before toub.

I disagree and Toub does too. If he looked lost, he wouldn't have chosen him to he one of two gunners. And seeing how well the Chiefs played on special teams this preseason I highly doubt brown failed that audition.

These moves were made not because of special teams. I agree if people want to debate their talent at cb and WR. They're definitely bubble talent.

It would be cool if Chad Hall could be our Wes Welker!

Awesome that Dorsey and Reid are already taking my roster advice.

He is a good route runner. But, Welker?

Welker is an awesome gunner too -

Yeahhhh, Hawkins prolly will never get another job. I have never seen anyone get two unsportsman like penalties on ONE play.

Hes talented. just a rock head.

With the first overall pick in the 2014 NFL draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select...

Trevor Gebhart - gunner, North Dakota State.

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

ROFL

Classic.

lol we cut Jalil Brown?

How many idiots thought he was a decent player the last year or so? LMAO

AHEAD OF THE CURVE

Pretty much this. Gunners aren't supposed to be great, just fast enough to either force a fair catch/down the ball or funnel the returner where they can tackle him.

I love this place sometimes LMAO

Quite a few clay....quite a few

That lady on the far right with her head tilted cracks me up, the whole thing is hilarious.


The dude with his arms folded wanted Geno I bet.

Can I be a Chief's fan but not be associated with the Camaro Club?

I cut myself because the club broke ties with the even shittier version of the shitty DMC.

Jesus. We just got dickslapped across the face by Dorsey.

This is how a real team operates. Cut the ****ing fat and move on.

All these dudes we thought would be here just got the chairs pulled out from under them.

It's like a Tarentino movie - no one is safe.

If it weren't for marijuana, Pioli wouldn't have a single draft pick worth a mother****.

Theres days when i get on cp and wonder if there are enough drugs in the world to counter the negativity brewed here. Then theres days like today where i just want to rep the **** out of everyone who sarcastically says " special teams Ace".

Rep for you !!

If pioli ever gets another GM job, plenty of his boys will be available

It's real, real bad that his 2 best draft picks outside of Houston were a no-brainer in Berry and a kicker in the 7th. Kendrick Lewis hasn't been a bad pick, Hudson leaves some to be desired, Allen gets his ass kicked routinely.



Holy ****.

Rather than dig through everything, does anyone have knowledge of these new guys and if they will be worth a ****? And which of them will be our gunners?


Seahawks CB Ron Parker:
Seahawks TE Sean McGrath:
Seahawks DT Jaye Howard:
Browns LB James-Michael Johnson:
49ers CB Marcus Cooper:
49ers WR Chad Hall:
Packers LB Dezman Moses:

Sadly Tyson Jackson may be his third or fourth best pick

From the roster thread:

With Cooper's forehead, he'll be a gunner.

Why does everyone keep saying Eric Berry is so good? He's one of the most overrated players in the NFL.

Especially with where he was drafted.

He has also been one of the most misused players in the nfl

1. Houston
2. Berry
3. Poe
4. Succop
5. Asamoah
6. Stephenson
7. Lewis
8. Hemingway
9. Tyson Jackson
10. Hudson
11. McCluster
12. Allen
13. Gray
14. Bailey

There are ****ing 2 people still on this roster from 09, 4 from 10, 4 from 11 and 5 from 12. That's ****ing horrific.

Berry is a fantastic player. It's also unfair to judge him on last year after playing in a passive defense where he didn't trust his knee most of the year.

The Patriots Way believe it or not. Even if you draft clowns, it's all good, we got Brady. The trouble is we didn't have Brady lol.