So, the QB gets 100% of the blame for every loss, got it! Guess Saints fans were hammering Brees for losing to the 2-14 Chiefs last year for not "doing enough". Not like the worst defense in the history of the NFL had anything to do with that.

KC 38, IND 17, 5 plays, 80 yards, 1:52 elapsed
KC 38, IND 24, 5 plays, 41 yards, 1:28 elapsed
KC 41, IND 31, 6 plays, 80 yards, 1:41 elapsed
KC 41, IND 38, 12 plays, 90 yards, 4:02 elapsed
KC 44, IND 45, 4 plays, 80 yards, 1:15 elapsed


I guess asking the D for a stop is asking for to much. 4 TD drives under 2 in the 2nd half.

But not Geno Smith he is excused from all blame according to Big cat even when he throws 3 picks

I'm fine with it being a team loss, but there's way too many people solely blaming Alex Smith, when he played a solid game. It's irritating.

I never said anything close to that. Nice strawman.

Heck, he earned them all, I don't think anyone is denying that. He did play a very good game, just not good enough for a Chiefs win.

Another strawman. I've seen you get called out by other posters for pulling that shit before.

BULLSHIT

Here you are bitching about Alex when he put up 44 points in a playoff game without Charles

And I've seen other people telling you what a dumbass you really are

Who is doing that? Can you reference a post?

You were iterating that the offense didn't "do enough" in the 2nd half. I compared that to a performance by the Saints last year, where they got beat by the horrific Chiefs, where the same argument could be made, technically. Then you decide to dodge it. Nicely done, sir.

Bowe had 2 mistakes in the 2nd half like Smith does he get any blame?

When it's you and the Balt douche I wear like it like a badge of honor. It's like a terrorist telling you that you are the bad guy.

KC 38, IND 17, 5 plays, 80 yards, 1:52 elapsed
KC 38, IND 24, 5 plays, 41 yards, 1:28 elapsed
KC 41, IND 31, 6 plays, 80 yards, 1:41 elapsed
KC 41, IND 38, 12 plays, 90 yards, 4:02 elapsed
KC 44, IND 45, 4 plays, 80 yards, 1:15 elapsed


I guess asking the D for a stop is asking for to much. 4 TD drives under 2 in the 2nd half.

So for WR it's about how they played the entire game and QB's it's about what conveniently makes your argument.

Got it.

YEP

Do you think 6 points in 6 possessions is "good enough" when they lost the game? I don't.

I don't get your analogy, but yeah Brees has lost games for the Saints if that's what you are asking.

I have said that from the beginning that it was a team loss.

People get confused though, probably my fault, when I try to make the point that AS didn't get it done on the last drive. I said it in the game thread when the last drive was starting, we are about to find out a lot about AS. (I was pretty drunk on Don Julio by then, so I might have phrased it differently)

If he had gotten them in the position for a field goal, even if the fg was missed, with all the adversity he was handed, I would consider him among the elite QBs.
I see him as a very good QB, and probably the best we are going to get.

I think blame goes to many people.

If people are blaming Bowe even though he fine game himself then his production meant absolutely nothing correct?

Nice cherry picking LMAO You are good at cherry picking and creating strawman I will give you that.

Here is the full post you twat LMAO

"The one missed pass was the difference in the game. It would have put them back up 17 andcstolen back the momentum just as his fumble is what started th swing to begin with. That being said wade Phillips should be hired tomorrow."

Herm would call that a "Circus Offense" and the offense needs to help the D out a little by not scoring so quick. :evil: Remember that crap?

I remember at the start of the 4th quarter, hoping for one of those long sustained drives like they had in the early part of the season.

pretty much

Or if the defense could have I don't know stopped ANYONE in the 2nd half the Chiefs would have won right? But why mention that?

Would you call Brees a franchise QB?

Gotta love Herm, I really thought the drive that started with 2:30 left in 3rd would be that drive.


1st and 10 at KC 19 (Run formation) A.Smith pass deep left to D.Bowe to KC 40 for 21 yards (D.Butler).

1st and 10 at KC 40 (Run formation) A.Smith pass short right to K.Davis to KC 39 for -1 yards (J.Freeman).

2nd and 11 at KC 39 (Shotgun) A.Smith left end to IND 48 for 13 yards (D.Butler).

1st and 10 at IND 48 (Shotgun) A.Smith pass incomplete short right to A.Fasano. PENALTY on IND-J.Gordy, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at IND 48 - No Play.

1st and 10 at IND 43 (Shotgun) K.Davis right tackle to IND 41 for 2 yards (J.McNary; E.Walden).

2nd and 8 at IND 41 (Shotgun) A.Smith pass incomplete deep right to C.Gray.

3rd and 8 at IND 41 (Shotgun) A.Smith pass incomplete short right.

4th and 8 at IND 41 D.Colquitt punts 31 yards to IND 10, Center



2-8 was the Gray miss.

I don't blame Bowe at all, I think he lost is place on the field and that is why he came down out of bounds. It happens.

I blame Sutton and to lesser degree Reid.

The D did not need to stop them every time, they just need to slow them down.

Every ****ing play should have been a run in the 2nd half.

The Chiefs had them right where they needed them, if you run the run every time just a couple of first downs seals the win.

Sure. Franchise QB's suck on occasion. Manning in NE this year and Manning in ATL last year shit the bed.

I did at the end of the post you cherry picked. Do you think saying hire Wade Phillips wasn't an indictment on the defense?

Shoot, up 38-10, why not play prevent? That'll at least force them to take off a few minutes each drive.

Did you not single out that 1 play as the difference in the game? I think you did

Nice way to cover your ass.

Yup i was screaming for this. Just make them work for it don't give up under 2mins

And that's my point. Smith put up the best numbers a QB has posted in the playoffs in I don't know how long. I think he's too old to be a franchise QB, but he's definitely very good and very capable of winning in the playoffs.

Simple math if you make in take 10 minutes to score a TD and there are 30 minutes in the game there isn't time to come back.

Didn't even have to do that chiefs had the ball for 17:22 in 2nd half. Those ****s scored 35 points in 12:38.

You mean, with theirs and our drives combined right?

I agree. There was some good and some bad in his game that day. That's why he is what you said. I'd say he's good, but not very good. However that's just splitting hairs.

I'm saying if you are up by 28 points and there is 30 minutes of football left and it take 10 minutes to score there simply isn't enough time to come back.

It doesn't matter how is divided up.

Less than 2 minutes to score a TD in that situation is unacceptable.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mLFFoHt8gt...U/s400/dbb.gif

Just think if Bowe slows up and doesn't jump that's a easy PI call.

Dude it just make me want to vomit. Please delete it.

I still don't know how Bowe doesn't "toe" tap that catch...

If Bowe catches that with his hands instead of waiting to body catch it, he stays in bounds easy. His inability to high point and hand catch the ball cost the team several times this season.

He had no reason what so ever to jump. That was a PERFECT pass. He never jumps he doesn't get pushed out.

How anyone can not see how beautiful that pass was, INTO coverage might I add. You know, something Alex Smith WONT do.

Is beyond me.

Andy Reid gotta get some blame on the 4-11 play too.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2879/1...938bdf50c3.jpg

Here is the first call on 4-11 before Reid used a timeout. IMO this is the better play Bowe on Davis who was getting beat like a drum 1 on 1 with only 1 safety deep. Bowe runs a slant here it's a easy first down. Better then a sideline throw.

I'm not going to hang this loss on one play. I'll go insane.

70 million and you cant even beat shit ass Josh Gordy 1 on 1.

Yeah, for sure that would have been great.
But do you think they would have called it?
I think they should call the playoffs, the same as they do the regular season, but they don't for some reason.

Obviously, deal is going to get done. Smith will make top 10 QB money. Andy Reid will continue tailor the offense around Smith's strengths (his intelligence and athleticism) and I think our offense will be top 10 over the next few years (unless the O-line reverts to early 2013 season form). We'll be running one of the most complex offenses in the league with Smith as an extension of Andy Reid on the field.

btw - it just rolled across the screen on the NFL Network "Chiefs want to extend Alex Smith ......."


it said 'want' not 'working on' but i imagine that is just the first bit of smoke

Simply Bowe lost his place on the field, I don't blame him though.

Simply is should never ever come down to that.

I didn't say he had to jump.

I had this argument with Jasonauto about a catch earlier this year.

If Bowe just raises his arms and catches the ball above his shoulder(no jump) then he gets the ball a step earlier. Bowe stays in bounds AND the defender has almost no chance to turn his head to knock the ball away.

The only chance the defender has is if the WR screws up the catch and Bowe did ... again.

For me, I will never understand the call on 1st down at the Colts 42 yard line. We had just gashed them for 25 yards and 13 yards on two consecutive plays to begin the drive from our own 20.

And then we run Gray for 3 yards. That play is the one the sealed our doom IMO.

2nd and 7. 39 yardline. That is no man's land. They know we are probably going to pass there, and got to us with the blitz.

We will never know, but I think we could have made another pass play work on first down that would have put us around the 30 yardline and in FG range.

Then if you want to get conservative and run clock... make a few yards and get in for a closer FG to win it... fine.

Yeah, that angle is enlightening for sure. It makes my back hurt just looking at how much Bowe turned around for the ball while running. It was a great catch ruined by poor position on the field by Bowe.

I take back what I said yesterday about this play, and milkman is right as usual.

Isnt if funny how ONE SINGLE word can completely confuse an entire post.

Im going to assume that it should be DO?

great point! :mad:

I didn't say you did. Sorry to of implied that if I did. I was just commenting out of frustration.

Sorry.

Yeah, thanks for pointing that out. Post doesn't make sense as written.

Careful. The Bowe Brigade will be out in force if you critique their love child.

Not that I don't think Bowe is good. Its just upsetting because he should be GREAT.

I have kept saying why Andy why, if ever there was a time to run the ball that was it.
You could just see blitz, terrible play call.

Yes they should sign him.
Usual wasn't fan of trade blah blah blah but he played with a different attitude than I have seen in the past. That more decisive attitude trusting his instincts showed in his play. To me it boils down to can AS go on a 3-4 game run like Flacco did last year?
Yes I think he can. I would have not thought that before the playoff game.

This is intensely ironic.

This thread is comedy ****ing gold...

Let me preface this by saying again - Smith had a great game.

But some of y'all are ****ing hypocrites.

People bitch and moan all year about Bowe raising his game. What's he do in the playoffs?

150 and a score. Great game, yet people just want to focus on one play.

Meanwhile, Alex raises HIS game as well, and people want to ignore the mistakes he made.

Some of y'all don't even know what your arguing about anymore.

There's not a player or coach who is blameless in this loss. No one played/coached a perfect game. If it makes you feel better to blame just Bowe or Lewis, while absolving others, feel free.

But you look like petulant children in doing so.

Wait a minute here! Its ok to talk about Alex's awesome stats, but not Bowes or the 4 turnovers forced by the D that enabled that 28 point lead dammit!

I have to disagree, the offensive players including Alex and Bowe played awesome and did more then should be required to win a game.

The play calling and Defense was awful, 44 points on the road in a playoff game in the NFL is incredible.

SORRY, poor defense and Game management by Coaches lost this game.

If I had the time or desire to go back and watch that game, I could come up with a laundry list of mistakes made on both sides of the ball.

And all of those mistakes led to the perfect storm of giving up a 28 point 3rd quarter lead. Not just the mistakes that help a particular argument.

Exactly, without question. I have had a hard time all week looking to next year with any enthusiasm at all, but maybe this will make them stronger hopefully.

I know it will give the Colts a whole knew sense of confidence after what they pulled of.

I agree and I am pretty sure that people can point to a play to criticize anybody on this team if you genuinely don't like said player.
I am not saying Smith played perfect but I will take his performance in a playoff game every time and hope something else doesn't completely fall apart.Before it was everything else needs to be perfect for Smith to do it.
Now it's more like don't **** up on a historical scale and you can win with him in the playoffs. Which is what the defense did.

What you think should be required and what was required to win that game are two different things.

I don't care if the offense puts up 50 and loses - if there were plays in the game that contributed to the comeback, then sorry, but they share part of the blame.

"They shouldn't have to..." is not acceptable. It's a 60 minute game, and even one extended drive in the 2nd half changes the outcome.

Not a perfect pass.

Bowe slightly beat his man and could have caught a perfect pass. Bowe's jump was a way to slow down because the pass was slightly behind him (look how far he has to turn his body to catch it). Had the pass been another yard in front of him, and a little more inside, he likely could have caught it without jumping, and without breaking his stride, and may have had a better chance to stay in bounds.

People want Bowe to not jump, but to high point the ball (no contradiction there at all). Had Gordon jumped,he probably could have made a play on the ball that way. Bowe had to jump to compete for a ball that Gordon was in better position to get his hands on. Instead Gordon committed to pushing Bowe out of bounds, which he was successful in doing since the pass was slightly behind Bowe. People want Bowe to slow down, but why would he need to do that if pass was PERFECT?

The whole play was low percentage. Not sure what Reid was thinking when he called that one.

What total and complete BULLSHIT, every play counts every time.

If Alex had thrown one INT you would have been the first one " See see he sucks ".

At least have a little integrity, the Defense sucked balls, complete failure on their part there is no debate.

Teams win and Teams lose, it takes every player.

Let me be clear I'm not going to try to say Alex or the offense were perfect. The fact is they weren't. Alex,Bowe,Gray all made mistakes for sure.

However.......

Even with their mistakes the offense put up enough points that win over 99% of games in the NFL. That can't be ignored. Were some of those points off turnovers yes they were. But do you not remember that this team found a way to **** up 1st and goal from the 1 and walk away with 0 points last season. Now that was a different team but the point is no situation is a given score. This mindset that some have that for some reason points don't count for an offense if the drive is not 80 yards is just a excuse for the offense for doing well. If the offense doesn't do there job they walk away with 0 points like we saw time and again last year.

Now I'm also not saying that the defense didn't do anything to help. They did. They made some plays. But they failed far more then the offense. When your side of the ball fails to win a game that is won 99% of the time when the other side does something I'm sorry but that's on the defense. That's what lost this team the game.It's that simple

Yet you're solely blaming the defense?

No not at all. I'm placing most blame on coaching.

There was no game strategy, no plan no game management at all.

Sometimes game planning and game management is important.

How many time did we blitz in the 2nd half? It seems like never.

The game was miss managed by the coaches.

And let's ignore the fact that he did have a HUGE turnover that played a role in the loss, and I've still said he played a great game.

Again, there's not a player - offense or defense - who played a perfect game. To blame one side of the ball is ridiculous. Everyone played a role.

There's your problem. You're looking for one area to blame.

ALL areas are to blame. They ALL made mistakes that played a role in losing a 28 point 3rd quarter lead.

Ok so lets do this.

First, If you could get that game from AS in every game for the next 5 years would you take it?

Second, If got that game from your Defense every game for the next 5 years would it take it?

Third, If you coaches managed games that way for the next 5 years would you take it?

I agree as far as this goes. Both had very good games. Alex arguably made a couple mistakes as did Bowe. I think people point to Bowe's mistake more because that one was the nail in the coffin. All the other mistakes that any other player made up to that point were possible to overcome.

I could also argue that Alex's errors were either negligible or were in some part contributed to by other players i.e. Gray admitting to slowing on the route that Alex over threw, the bad blocking on the fumble, the intentional ground that amounts to the same as the sack.

Alex played a hell of a game. Is he at fault for the loss? Only in the sense of it being a team game and that his play wasn't "perfect". Is it reasonable to place any real blame on him? No, I really don't think so. If you're looking at the game in hindsight and thinking "what can we change to make sure that we win this game next time?" the answer will likely have very little to do with Alex.

Realistically speaking, you can't run the ball every play- especially when you're down to your 2nd and 3rd string RBs that are averaging less than 4 YPC.

At the very least, though, we should have been bleeding the hell out of the play clock. Going up 38-10 with 12 minutes left in the 3rd quarter, the clock was more the enemy than the team we were facing should have been. At that point, Reid had an obligation to get out of Indy as quickly as possible to preserve the lead and avoid further risk of injury. Why we weren't letting that sucker go down to 0:01 every offensive play is beyond me...