Seriously, it was a DUI.

I think first offense isnt even a suspension, but loss of game checks.

That's what I'm thinking. I looked and could find no record of a player being suspended for their first DUI.

Im hoping demarcus van dyke shows something and can make the 53

You're going to be sadly disappointed

Cause all the best corners are UDFAs or castoffs.

What would be the point in cutting Hali? His presence alone on this defense is going to force teams to gameplan for him.

Flowers wasn't that guy, not in this scheme.

I don't think Flowers is "washed up".

What I think is that he's strictly a zone corner at this point. He's slower than he was 3 years ago. He can't play bigger receivers on the outside and he hasn't played in the slot enough in his career to bank on him carving out a niche there. He's also considerably slower.

He's a very good corner when used in the right system.

FYP

Truth.

I also will never cut a pass rusher over a corner unless that corner is in the top 5 at his position.

Wow, then it's worse than I thought.

This idea of "best" and "worse" is really stupid for team games. Hell the NBA isn't really that much of a team game and the Spurs just beat the team with the "best" players.

So you're just as clueless about the NBA as you are about the NFL.

wheh i said last year that Hali lost a step and I could see him gone after this season, quite a few people looked at me like I was a mouth breather.

well, at least that's 'one' of the reasons anyway.

As he is about the English language as well.

ROFL Holy shit, I don't know where to begin...

you install a scheme so that you can get away with lower drafted players at specific positions. If every team used the same principles on offense and defense the draft would be much more clear-cut and predictable.

Back when zone blocking first came on the scene, the faster smaller linemen were not as sought-after and those guys were easier to acquire in later rounds.

Essentially you scheme in a way that allows for specialization. Can't have jack of all trades or what you all like to call "good" or "better" players at every position.

I kept trying to blame it on an injury, but it's looking like the one trick pony is all but tricked out.

@RavensInsider: Ten NFL teams, including Ravens, Vikings, Falcons, Lions, reached out to Brandon Flowers so far. In preliminary stage, according to a source

I am ****ing amazed that fans can watch competent talent walk out the door and still believe Dorsey is a solid GM.

We have two offseasons to judge and more talent has left 1 Arrowhead than has come in.

I was as big a backer of Dorsey as anyone here. I loved the hire. I loved his attitude and personality.

But he's a ****ing horrible GM. Just bad in the way herpes is bad...

I just think it is too early to say. He didn't create this cap situation (and yes, despite what some think...there is such a thing as the salary cap). I think you have to bring in young bodies, it's the NFL... and paying for past performance is death. Let's see what the young guys do, is all I'm saying.

I get what you're sayin, and I agree, that pass rushers are overall more important than corners, but simply pickin a pass rusher over a corner regardless ain't right. You gotta have the right balances at those positions, too. I would never take an Alex Magee over a Brandon Carr. Positional value simply cannot be the only determining factor. Talent must play a part as well.

I guess I don't see all of this competent talent walking away you are so worried about. Branden Albert was a calculated move. For better or worse they drafted Fisher to take his spot beause they didn't feel he was worth the money he was asking for. I tend to agree with them.

McCluster will never live up to the contract Tennessee gave him and they drafted his replacement who has more raw talent than McCluster.

Tyson Jackson was replaced by a better player in Walker.

Schwartz is one guy I would have liked to have seen stay, but he was also brought in by Dorsey so that is a wash as far as talent brought in vs. talent walking away.

Flowers doesn't fit the defensive scheme that KC is running. He is a much better zone corner than press man corner. Cooper and Gaines are better suited to play press man than Flowers.

It's not so much about individual talent as the number of holes.

The Chiefs had several glaring holes entering the offseason. They chose to plug those spots with internal guys or draft picks or third tier FAs.

That's bad enough. But in addition to those holes, additional ones have opened up at LT, RT, RG, WR3 and now CB1/nickel slot CB. And again, the plan is internal guys or draft picks.

And it's not like the Chiefs had a plethora of premium draft picks (or draft picks, period).

The players we lost were better than the players we gained.

On top of that our areas of weakness weren't addressed at all (unless you consider our 3rd round pick. Who MIGHT have been better with a year of seasoning and weight training to get his frame up to NFL level. Now he's a MUST contribute day one after the cut of Flowers.)

Once you take the homer glasses off these are all money moves and have NOTHING to do with talent or projected production the following year...

I'll reserve judgement till after this season. It could also be that the talent we had leave was not really a reason for our success in his view, and he's comfortable with the moves\lack of moves this off season.

If the Chiefs are a bloody abortion this season, I'll agree with you on this. But I still think we gotta wait and see.

What's crazy to think about is that Carr probably would be a better fit in this scheme had we kept him over Flowers.

They should have had the balls to rebuild in year 1. Instead they give up 2 seconds for a veteran QB and basically waste a season trying to make a run. Waste in the big picture. It sold seats and keeps fans spending money for a few years, so in that sense it isn't a waste for the Hunt family.

They should have rebuilt by trading the older guys - Albert, Flowers, Hali, accumulating draft picks (trade down from the 1.1) and building from there.

That would have equalled fan base implosion, considering the season prior. I dunno...I'm content to give them a shot.

Homer glasses? I will never understand why someone who posts an opinion that doesn't fit in with the doom and gloom crowd that dominates this board gets labeled as a homer.

Is Albert better than Fisher? Absolutely, but Fisher was drafted to play LT and they are following their plan. The other players that left I just don't see why everyone is whining. McCluster is replaceable, Lewis is replaceable, Asomoagh (sp) is replaceable, and Jordan is replaceable. Those are the starters besides Albert and Flowers who aren't going to be with the team next season. And as I said earlier Flowers and Albert were moves that were calculated.

Now if these moves don't ensure that Smith, Houston, and Berry are resigned, then I will have a major problem with them letting Albert and Flowers walk.

This.

We allowed our areas of weakness to get worse and instead drafted to replace high priced (and productive) players.

I'm not sure why this is so ****ing hard to understand: more talent has left KC than has come to KC.

Am I arguing that we should have overpaid for O lineman or any specific position?

No.

I'm saying that, as a whole, our draft picks have been total DOG$#IT and we have not even replaced the level of inadequate talent that left...

Our draft picks and free agent signings have not worked out.

Other than Cooper none of them have played to a higher level than the players they replaced.

That's a loss of talent.

At that point it's too late.

Your entire argument is that after all our resources are depleted only THEN will this be a failure.

I don't want to see that happen. I still think Reid is a very solid HC.

I don't want a very $#itty GM to ruin his tenure...

Brandon Flowers done
 

He certainly hasn't helped it.

Fasano, Daniel, Joe Mays, and Dunta Robinson are all scrubs that received wayyyyy more than they're worth.

IIRC, he re-signed one of our kickers for just way too much money. I want to say its Colquitt and I love the guy but you have to look at positional value there. The difference between a top 5 punter and an average one we could pick up for 1/8 the cost is just not big enough.

Then he signed Dwayne Bowe to top 5 WR money. We're not paying the guy for what he's done in the past but what he'll do in the future and, at 30 years old, he's likely barely worth top 15 money at this point.

I don't consider those contracts exorbitant, they aren't budget busters. You can argue Daniel...but how soon we forget not having a backup quarterback (2012).

I thought Pioli signed Colquitt....


Bowe is a bad contract, but he had us over the kitchen table....and he is still by far our best receiver.


I don't like losing talent...I just know you can't be precious with any player in the NFL. We'll be able to judge Dorsey via his drafts, if you don't have young guys able to step up.... you're dead and so will Dorsey/Reid.

Rausch has gone off the rails. A little over one calendar year after Dorsey took over he is supposed to be a "terrible GM" who is going to "ruin" Andy Reid's team, despite us having the best season in years.

My god, dude. This is cataclysmic overreacting, even by CP standards.

You're writing off an entire draft class? Really? After ONE year that was plagued with injury?

You're writing off the second draft class before they ever play in a game?

**** me, this is just ridiculous.

Couldn't do it. We had to have immediate turnaround after Herm and Peeholi.

But, I'm with you 100%.

Brandon Flowers done
 

They don't have to be exorbitant to cause problems. $4 mil per year for scrubs like those guys add up and, unfortunately, along with Bowe's contract, they may be a sign that our GM isn't great at contract negotiations.

If we didn't pay Bowe what we paid him, someone else would have.
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And if Bowe walks.....people would be screaming that our GM traded for a QB and then made Donnie Avery his #1 WR.

So, he's not going to Denver, right?

Exactly. Bowe had ALL the leverage when we signed him. If we had let him go there would be 50 "SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO OVERPAY FOR GREAT TALENT!" threads on this board.

Detroit possibly looking at Flowers.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf...l#incart_river

ALLEN PARK -- The Detroit Lions featured one of the league's worst cornerback corps last season, and their supporters thirsted for a makeover.
But the Lions instead prioritized the offense, making receiver Golden Tate their star free-agent acquisition and tight end Eric Ebron their first-round draft pick.
And then they released Chris Houston, who was expected to be their No. 1 guy when he signed a $25 million contract just one year ago.
But the Lions might not be done quite yet.
CBSSports.com is reporting the Lions are "seriously considering making a run" at Brandon Flowers, who made the Pro Bowl last season but was cut anyway by the Kansas City Chiefs.
The Baltimore Sun reported Detroit already has reached out to the Flowers camp.
Flowers had 65 tackles, one interception and nine passes defended en route to the Pro Bowl last year. He played mostly in the slot, a spot currently occupied by Bill Bentley and fourth-round draft pick Nevin Lawson in Detroit.
He would be something of an odd fit here, given defensive coordinator Teryl Austin's preference for rangy, speedy cornerbacks who can run his press-man scheme. Flowers is good, but also 5-foot-9.
And Flowers, the biggest name on the free agent market, could command more money than Detroit can afford to play. The team has less than $1.5 million in cap room for 2014.
Still, Flowers is the most talented cornerback available, and the Lions seem to be interested in at least exploring whether he could improve a unit that currently projects to start Rashean Mathis and Darius Slay.
Mathis was Detroit's top cornerback last year, but is something of a wild card at 34 years old and perhaps not the best fit for such an aggressive scheme. Slay, who possesses 4.36 speed, is a better fit but also a wild card given his profound struggles as a rookie in 2013.
The Lions did add veteran cornerback Cassius Vaughn in free agency and Lawson in the fourth round of the draft, but neither is a candidate to start, even given the dearth of reliable talent at the position.

NFC? Fine with me.

Good luck to him. Good player, situation changed around him, and I wish him well.

Right. We needed him and there's no doubt about it..

We still overpaid. He's getting top 5 WR money. Even if you argue his production over his entire career, there's still nothing to make anyone believe that he's a top 5 guy.

That video is great LMAO

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Everyone acknowledges we overpaid. Look at the top 5 paid receivers. Only 2 of them deserve to be paid top top WR salaries. But that's the nature of the business. The next top 10-15 WR to get signed will get a bigger contract than Bowe and so on and so forth. In 2 years Bowe will barely be hanging on to a top 10 contract.

At the end of the day, the choice was to either overpay Bowe and get him to stay or have Donnie Avery as our #1 receiver. Dorsey just did what he had to do.

I am waiting untill after the upcoming season before I start calling for his head. Unless the do a nose dive...

Chiefs' Andy Reid talks about "the fit" with Brandon Flowers

I agree with this. Schwartz might be the loss that hurts the most of them all.

Though Asamoah and Albert certainly hurt the run game, as they are being replaced by less physical guys.

All true... it was Bowe and a bowl full of chopped liver at the time.

To early to say? Well hell yes it's to early. Dorsey had to clean up Suitable tucked up drafts and now we are in cap hell. None of this is his fault. To fix a shit team like we had is not easy and things get worse before they get better. Ask D.V

This is all true. I'm not even too mad about Bowe because I've always liked him and he contributes, if not with big numbers in blocking for the running game.

Still, it seems we've overpaid on a lot of players so far in this new regime.

We did overpay. When Dorsey arrived, the Chiefs were tens of millions under the cap...

Besides bowe, who has Dorsey over paid?

daniels

I don't know why this Flowers deal is put at his feet. He didn't give him the contract, he didn't cause his play to decline.

I don't agree that more talent has vacated. Who did we really lose? Albert is the only one I think is worth a salt besides Flowers.

I guess but that contract is easy to get out of if they want or need to

No one is trading for those contracts. Their high cap numbers prohibted any trade for Hali or Flowers. I agree Albert should have been traded last year when he was tagged though.

I don't agree though about the rebuild. Jamaal, DJ, Hali go through a 3rd rebuild? That's awful to just waste their primes.

I have no problem with what they did last year besides signing Fasano and Chase.

It's weird how football fans think making trades is so easy. There's a reason there aren't a lot of trades in the league guys. There have been 3 starters (Stevie Johnson, Matt Shaub, and Jeremy Zuttah) traded this whole off season. Yet you guys think we could have traded 3 just by ourselves.

:facepalm: Really??? You dont agree more talent left than we acquired? The only reason why you dont see it is because you dont want to....

You don't think this is a rebuild? (And a poor rebuild at that since Dorsey wasn't able to wheel and deal and obtain more draft picks the last two years).

It's a big rebuild for the D. The top 3 CBs will have been acquired by Dorsey as well as one safety. 2/3rds of the starting DL. The LB's are the only spot where there hasn't been much turnover, but that seems like it too will change with Ford for Hali. Plus, who knows how much Houston is asking for.

OL/WR/TE/QB - all turned over.

It's a rebuild.

Man, all this yearning for the good old days of 2011 and 2012... Amazing.

:spock:

Who?

Dorsey caused Flowers' play to decline?

When a team trades for a player, they are only trading for unpaid bonuses and base salaries.

Brandon Flowers was only due another 18 million over the next 3 years.

No one feels that way.

It's a sick feeling over knowing it's going the exact same way...

Yep, losing Lewis really hurts...

:facepalm:

You think Flowers play last year was at the level he was at prior?

He was awful last year.

This year is the only year that really matters when a team is trading for a player. What team had 7.5 million just sitting to be able to acquire Flowers?

The Raiders 2 years ago were a rebuild when they cut everyone. I don't view a rebuild as replacing pieces when a new regime takes over.

Rebuild to me is gutting the entire roster, much like this team did in 2008.

Ha, yes, I'm just a guy with his head in the sand.

Who left?

Albert? That's a loss, but I think that's the only one.

Asamoah was awful. I'll never advocate paying a RG unless they are all world like Will Shields, so I don't view Schwartz as that costly.

McCluster's production will be replaced either with Thomas or a collection of ofthers. Again, no loss on my end.

Flowers stings a bit, but not based on 2013 production.

You that upset about Tyson Jackson? Quentin Demps? Kendrick Lewis? Akeem Jordan?

Why was Flowers put in the slot again last year?

They would have only needed to cover his base of 5.25 and his wo bonus of 250,000.

5.5 total

The 7.5 we saved was due to prorated bonuses that were already paid bit count against our cap because the accelerate...cutting him after June 1 let us spread the hit over 2 years and has nothing to do with what a team trading for him needed in terms of cap space.

It's not about any individual talent as much as it's about the number of question marks they had ENTERING the offseason, and the number of question marks that emerged during FA as talent departed.

It's like people are scared and think that young players taking over is a question mark of the highest order. Yes it is a question mark, but I'll damn well take Commings, Watkins and Kelce over the players who started at their position last year.

http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-footb...l-flowers.html
As Gretz said, only 16 of 89 players on the chiefs roster were with the team before Dorsey/Reid. That is a rebuild of the roster.