Chargers = overrated.

I wish the chiefs would cheat and win something meaningful in my lifetime..

Chargers have a good team, I don't know that they're overrated. Bad calls and injuries go both ways. Denver has an explosive offense, hard to contain and the defense is better than last year - although they do bend quite a bit at times.

Denver's remaining schedule:
@ Patriots
@ Raiders - W
@ Rams - W
Dolphins - W
@ Chiefs
Bills - W
@ Chargers
@ Bengals
Raiders - W

Of the remaining 9 games, 6 are on the road. We'll see how Denver does down the stretch with the BYE long gone and the bulk of the road games left to play. @ Pats, @ Chiefs and @ Chargers will all be tough. @ Bengals should be tough, esp if AJ is back.

11 wins is a pretty good projection of worst case on wins. Anything could happen obviously, but 12-13 wins could happen.

I've been watching Denver since the day they joined the league and I call BS on that one. I've seen those assholes get away with murder from day one. It is just becoming patently obvious anymore....

So, After Manning wins his SB this year, does he retire? Does he take over as the Donkey's new coach?

I can understand why you say that, but I've watched a lot of non-Denver games too and lots of bad calls going all around, especially this year. If they were to win a title this year, sure it would make sense for him to walk away.

I don't know if he will or not, but being able to walk out on top is likely hard to pass up. My guess is that if he's healthy, that he'll return - they need to find a way to cheat the cap to resign the DT and JT, though. :D

Oh...they'll "find" a way..... :) Hell, they'll probably find a way to steal 2 or 3 free agent receivers from other teams for his royal highness. Sanders comes to mind immediately. One thing I believe the Chiefs front office has learned - is NEVER trust a man's word any longer. Get it in writing NOW.

For his royal highness, he won't walk away. It's all he knows. His old man made sure of that. Now Eli? Watch him on Sunday - he's just going through the motions. I truly believe that he's only playing because he doesn't want to upset Daddy.

JFC are you already drunk or high?

This is a strange ****ing post for sure. Its like a tinfoil hat post.

Dear Lord...

Wow. It just occurred to me that Emanuel Sanders simply followed Peyton's model to get to play with Peyton. Holy **** I hate that whole city right now...

The whole organization just reeks... the low blocks that push the spirit of the rules, the pick plays that push and exceed the spirit of the rules, the greased jerseys, already been caught cheating the cap once etc etc etc.

Then, they pay fivehead a massive contract and lo and behold the very next year they're able to bring in THREE MORE big money free agents... its bullshit.

Now, if this all comes back to bite them in the ass a year or two from now, if they really struggle with the cap and struggle to retain talent, then I'll change my tune... but they damn well wont and everybody knows it.

He wanted to go to Denver from the beginning of free agency. He said that he would call his agent every day and ask "Did they (Denver) call?".

Denver didn't pay Emmanuel Sanders any more money than KC was offering, either they matched the numbers or payed a little bit less. If Brandon Lafell would have came to Denver instead of deciding to go to NE, Sanders would most likely be in KC right now.

They will lose some good players next year. DT, Julius, Welker, Knighton, Chris Harris, Rahim Moore and Orlando Franklin are all FA's next year. There is no way Denver will be able to sign all of them unless Manning retires, we'll probably lose 3 or 4 of those guys next year.

Denver had to break off talks with both Thomas's this week because they couldn't reach an agreement. Welker is also due. They have a lot of cap decisions to make next year. All the chips have been pushed in for this year, price paid for a team that looks this good. Despite all the crazy conspiracy theories Broncos are under the same cap as everyone else, they're just better at managing it than some others.

It's pretty simple. Denver isn't paying $10 million combined to a bad TE (Fasano), a DL who isn't allowed on the field (Walker), and a backup QB.

http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/...ncos/limit-25/



http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/...iefs/limit-25/

I'd speculate that it boils down to players who are already so rich they can't spend it all and them wanting a ring; those players want to go to places like Denver so they may actually get that ring.

Between folks like PM being good and he's also the NFL's darling, it's a safe bet that they'll get a chance in Denver. And they'll play for less for that chance.

It's interesting to note how Ware was old and broken this summer, now he's a pro bowler who Denver shouldn't have been able to afford.

Bingo...

Hey, I missed the boat on Ware, I will give you that.

Ware is a class act.

It's a shame he's had to spend his career with cowpoke and donkey scum.

Eh, broncos were able to go get free agents because they actually have young good players on cheap d3als.

Like knowmo says, that bill is coming do after this season. They'll have good young players walk

Doesn't it depend on how much the cap will increase? Isn't that supposed to be by $10 MIL?

He was old and broken. he looked absolutely finished. Amazing what going to a winning organization where you arent depended on to be the MAN, and can actually just be a piece.

It can rejuvenate you.

He's great in the room and, paired with Miller, is part of the best sack tandem in the league.

The biggest cap hits for Ware, Talib and Clady don't hit until 2015 and 2016 (staggered).

Thomas and Miller are on their rookie deals.

Welker's deal wasn't for all that much money.

Ward's deal is a low hit for this year, and still team friendly after that.

Sanders is getting less than Welker.

Vasquez' deal takes a jump after this year, but is team friendly in 2013.

The rest of the roster is on pretty small money.

No doubt. But the fact remains that last year in Dallas he looked finished.

Agreed. It isn't a popular thing to say here but Denver's front office gets credit on that one...

Shrugs. Their moves from talib, Sanders, ward, ware, all look amazing right now.

Important thing though is the cheerleaders are looking slutty fine...

Especially slutty. Does the thin air make those boobs look bigger?

Meh. There were 6-1 at this time last year.

We've played a pretty brutal schedule so far this year. Last year we got to play the Giants, Cowboys, Jags and Raiders in the first 7 weeks. This year the only gimme game we've had was the Jets game.

You don't play for the team, and the game the Broncos lost is their only tough game on the road. The 49ers are a mess right now and were a home game, the Chargers game was stolen by the refs and was a home game, and the Colts game was a close one, even though it was a home opener.

The Broncos are playing well, but they've caught some breaks, too.

Heh. Don't know. Just know slutty is a good look for a cheerleader...

The Colts game wasn't close until the very end of the 4th quarter. Denver wasn't playing very well early in the season, we had too many penalties, drops and blown coverages earlier in the year.

How did the refs give us the Charger game? We were flagged more than they were.

Our schedule is much more difficult this year. These Broncos have played well

Let's not forget that 6 of Denver's last nine games are away. That means they've played at home a LOT up until now. And I TOTALLY think Denver has HUGE HUGE HUGE home field advantage because of the low O2... NOT THEIR FANS!! Anybody who runs a sea level, flies to Denver, then goes on their regular 3 mile run knows what I'm talking about! It takes a while, and it isn't 2-3 days!

So, I'm hoping that these other teams aren't as gassed in the second half and kicks their asses when the O2 factor is taken away..

The Colts had the ball with a chance to tie the game. Slice it any way you want. I prefer objectivity. It was a story of two halves and, in the end, it was a close game.

People have been blowing that team for its play since week one, so quit with the bullshit.

The wrongfully overturned fumble call changed the game. Instead of the Chargers going into the half with a lead and getting the ball, it ended up with the Broncos going in with the lead. That was a huge (10-14 points) turnaround.

Altitude is totally the reason the Broncos are good. No question.

Oh, I think it's clear they have many talented players, I think many are even questioning how they have so many (remember???), I'm simply highlighting another very tangible advantage the enjoy.

Point taken. To say their fans aren't good is pure bitterness though...

I've been there, they're fine (even if they suck at tailgating!!)... And yeah, I'm allowed to be bitter, so **** off my friend!

As much as I hate the Donkeys idk who can beat them in the conference. Maybe Indy? It will probably be a Denver/Philly SB

Worst case scenario is Denver/Dallas SB. Holy hell that would be unbearable.

It wasn't a fumble...

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Know what else was huge? The refs not calling Gates for a pushoff on 4th and goal.

The refs also called back a 50 yard TD run by Hillman in that game. Denver outplayed San Diego in every faze of that game, the refs had nothing to do with Denver winning.

Really? Cool.
I know you are but what am I? Cheers brother, grabbing a Friday lunch martini now...

If all that comes to pass, I'll take it back and admit I was wrong.

BUT, the cap situation is separate from all of the envelope pushing your team does with the rules... your team is the only one thats constantly called out around the league for the low blocks and pick plays, its NOT just the AFCW teams that hate you for it.

True enough, and while I wasnt one of them, I'll provide something of a mea culpa for those who did by saying it was just a lot of wishful thinking typed into words.

How much of the cap is KC using and how much of that is dead money? Because, honestly, you all sound like a pack of whiny bitches with swollen labia in this thread.

Solid post, props. Not that I give a **** about legal blocks or rub plays.

Dean Blandino (VP of officiating) discussing the Caldwell fumble play...

http://nflcommunications.com/2014/10...-video-week-7/

Fast forward to about the 3 minute and 30 second mark.

"Slight movement of the football does not constitute a loss of control". The forearm was down before Caldwell lost possession.

I don't care how great Denvers moves are, theyre not earning any of these wins.

Yeah, I posted these pictures in the other thread where everyone is complaining about the fumble reversal:

http://i.imgbox.com/KScpkDpD.png
http://i.imgbox.com/ut1aiMvL.png

First picture is right before he's down, second picture is when his forearm (NOT ELBOW) contacts the ground. The ball hasn't moved between the 2 pictures.

It's just amazing that they call it one way for Denver, but yet the other way for everyone else.

Well, not really.

Do you have an example of this being called differently for a different team?

Any other time it was ruled a fumble when the ball moved before the runner is down

Thanks, vail.

If it was the Chiefs that were beating everyones ass thanks in part to bad sportsman tactics, I honestly dont know for sure how I would feel.

a) **** 'em, we rule and you pussies just arent trying hard enough.

or

b) its hard for me to root for the dirtiest team in the league, why cant we just win fair and square.

But either way, what I said is true... you guys are despised around the league for those tactics and are the only ones that consistently use them.

Its nothing personal to you fans... atleast most of you.

Look at the pictures I posted. The ball didn't move.

Two pictures ain't shit. How about the previous 5?

I watched it live. I saw the slow motion replay. I saw it move. That's a ****ing fumble for almost any other team. Period.

Watch the video I posted. The head of officiating said that was the right call in his media briefing video.

Yeah, right call for the broncos anyway...

Which previous 5? I've seen a million pictures/gifs that show the ball moving before his elbow hits. However, the elbow doesn't matter. His forearm is the first to hit the ground, and the ball does not move before it happens.

It's not a fumble, and I've never seen any play where the ball moves and comes out right AFTER the runner is down called a fumble before. If you have evidence of that happening, please share it.

That was the mojo for the rest of the game.

Yes, it was a fumble. Furthermore, even if you want to ride the "it wasn't a fumble" train, it certainly wasn't clear enough evidence to overturn it. And, if we're going to bandy quotes

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...rom-officials/


And learn how to spell "phase", you dipshit.

Mike Carey was wrong, just like he was about the fumble in the Colts-Texans game.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...r-catch-fumble

I wasnt even watching at that point, and the pics Hef posted look dicey for the pro fumble crowd... but when Mike ****ing Carey goes against the ruling, SOMETHING is wrong.

Carey wasn't wrong about last night, and Bleacherreport?

ROFL

LMAO

Mike Carey looks bad. Very bad.

— Don Banks (@DonBanks) October 10, 2014
https://twitter.com/DonBanks/status/520415731939160064



Mike Carey is not having a very good year.

— Peter King (@SI_PeterKing) October 24, 2014
https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/sta...59556663427072

:thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb:

According to the NFL, yes he was.

If your only argument is about an article's source rather than discussing how Mike Carey is not infallible, I can find you a different article about how he was wrong in that instance as well.

The NFL also defended the Seahawks/Packers call. Congrats, you're pointing to the one party that has a stake in people believing the officials aren't ****ing up.

Uh... not really. They said that Tate should have been called for PI, which would have resulted in a GB win. The only thing they "defended" was that a ruling of simultaneous possession goes to the offense. In essence, they said that the call was wrong and Green Bay should have won.

That was also what lead to the ref lockout ending, so obviously the league wasn't happy about it.

This ref crying is sad...

It is, and I do it more then I should.

Every fanbase does.


Denver fans bitch just as much as anyone else.

No argument on that.

Don't cry about the directors. They're just doing their job.

Q

Indisputable.


My.



Balls.

Dude, dont go there... please.

You're flirting with irrelevancy.

More actually!

Time for Denver to go on the road… they have had an absurd 5 of their first 7 games (including THREE primetime games) at home.

ROFL

It's the meme that keeps on giving.