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carcosa 10-12-2015 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 11795791)
JFC if they call him out here.

The worst part is Rios would be up again in the next inning.

Great Expectations 10-12-2015 01:31 PM

They tag came off, I retract my out statement.

Bearcat 10-12-2015 01:31 PM

You can't fall into him and expect him to stay on the bag, he's like 90 pounds.

Mama Hip Rockets 10-12-2015 01:31 PM

Are you allowed to push him off the base? That's what he did.

KChiefs1 10-12-2015 01:32 PM

Is it clear & convincing?

mr. tegu 10-12-2015 01:32 PM

He is safe. Doesn't matter with Rios up though.

suzzer99 10-12-2015 01:32 PM

You have to tag him with the glove, not your wrist.

DJ's left nut 10-12-2015 01:32 PM

So Gore's foot came off the bag, but man if they overturn this then replay has gone completely over the top.

This was never EVER what replay was designed for. That's been a SB for the entire history of major league baseball and to call a guy out on a ticky tack call like that would completely run afoul of the spirit of the rule.

Rasputin 10-12-2015 01:32 PM

Son of a bitch

petegz28 10-12-2015 01:32 PM

out....wow but it wouldn't matter because Rios wasn't gonna do anything

carcosa 10-12-2015 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 11795813)
out....wow but it wouldn't matter because Rios wasn't gonna do anything

Sadly true.

KChiefs1 10-12-2015 01:32 PM

Rios is at the plate so it won't matter.

Mr. Laz 10-12-2015 01:33 PM

DFA Gore right now ... stupid little shit

Bearcat 10-12-2015 01:33 PM

He's out if you count pushing him off the bag as out.

Mama Hip Rockets 10-12-2015 01:33 PM

Watch Rios get a pointless hit now.

Rasputin 10-12-2015 01:33 PM

**** balls

Great Expectations 10-12-2015 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 11795802)
The worst part is Rios would be up again in the next inning.

That's like 2 outs




He didn't keep the tag on there.

RollChiefsRoll 10-12-2015 01:33 PM

****ing shit.

carcosa 10-12-2015 01:33 PM

:shake:

DeezNutz 10-12-2015 01:33 PM

Wow. No glove on the tag, though. That doesn't matter?

Munson 10-12-2015 01:33 PM

It figures.

suzzer99 10-12-2015 01:33 PM

That is not ****ing conclusive enough to overturn. **** YOU **** YOU **** YOU

Discuss Thrower 10-12-2015 01:33 PM

That's game.

KChiefs1 10-12-2015 01:33 PM

Series over fellows.

It's been a great year.

Mama Hip Rockets 10-12-2015 01:33 PM

That is such ****ing bullshit. How are you allowed to push a guy off the base?

Why Not? 10-12-2015 01:33 PM

Doesn't matter. You think Rios gets a hit there?

Bearcat 10-12-2015 01:33 PM

Wow, that's a hard one to accept.

mr. tegu 10-12-2015 01:33 PM

Sorry guys. I turned it off.

petegz28 10-12-2015 01:34 PM

I agree he was tagging him with his wrist, not the glove but whatever

RollChiefsRoll 10-12-2015 01:34 PM

Nice AB Alex. Jesus.

suzzer99 10-12-2015 01:34 PM

Yeah apparently wrist to butt is enough to overturn.

DeezNutz 10-12-2015 01:34 PM

That was the wrong ****ing call. Period.

Stanley Nickels 10-12-2015 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11795810)
So Gore's foot came off the bag, but man if they overturn this then replay has gone completely over the top.

This was never EVER what replay was designed for. That's been a SB for the entire history of major league baseball and to call a guy out on a ticky tack call like that would completely run afoul of the spirit of the rule.

By even allowing replays, though, that's what they opened themselves up to. If you allow super-slow-mo, multiple-angle replays, making calls within some subjective "spirit of the rule" is never going to happen, because of technical accuracy ability.

penbrook 10-12-2015 01:34 PM

Guys Rios wasn't gonna get a hit anyways

Mama Hip Rockets 10-12-2015 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11795827)
That's game.

Actually, they recently made a new rule in which they play nine innings instead of seven. I think you might be thinking of softball or little league or something.

Great Expectations 10-12-2015 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 11795831)
Doesn't matter. You think Rios gets a hit there?

It starts us off with an out next inning.

suzzer99 10-12-2015 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 11795831)
Doesn't matter. You think Rios gets a hit there?

Could have gotten a blooper. Or a wild pitch. Or infield single. It's always possible.

TEX 10-12-2015 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11795810)
So Gore's foot came off the bag, but man if they overturn this then replay has gone completely over the top.

This was never EVER what replay was designed for. That's been a SB for the entire history of major league baseball and to call a guy out on a ticky tack call like that would completely run afoul of the spirit of the rule.

I totally agree and the call went my way. Its totally NOT within the spirit of how the use of replay was intended.

mikeyis4dcats. 10-12-2015 01:34 PM

technology has been great for sports, but in many ways it's killing sports.

DeezNutz 10-12-2015 01:34 PM

Stupid steal attempt with two outs. Should have been running with Gordon at the plate.

Just so much ****ing fail in that sequence.

Ceej 10-12-2015 01:34 PM

Certainly not definitive.

KCUnited 10-12-2015 01:34 PM

That type of call is always going to go with the home crowd.

Mama Hip Rockets 10-12-2015 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 11795831)
Doesn't matter. You think Rios gets a hit there?

He probably will now that the pressure is off.

jimidollar 10-12-2015 01:35 PM

The worst part is having to see Rios again. Thanks Ned!!

siberian khatru 10-12-2015 01:35 PM

It's one thing to slide past the bag. But they've been calling guys out for a foot or hand coming an inch or two off the top of the bag. It's ridiculous.

KChiefs1 10-12-2015 01:35 PM

This last 24 hours has been too much for me. I don't want anything to do with sports for awhile.

suzzer99 10-12-2015 01:35 PM

That is such ****ing crap call. Unless they had a different replay - there is no ****ing angle that shows glove touching butt. All I saw was bare wrist.

Maybe we'll get another apology.

ChiTown 10-12-2015 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 11795847)
Stupid steal attempt with two outs. Should have been running with Gordon at the plate.

Just so much ****ing fail in that sequence.

This entire series has been an abortion

carcosa 10-12-2015 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 11795831)
Doesn't matter. You think Rios gets a hit there?

Nope. No way in hell.

Zobrist is going to have to make something happen with 2 outs next inning.

Bearcat 10-12-2015 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 11795842)
Actually, they recently made a new rule in which they play nine innings instead of seven. I think you might be thinking of softball or little league or something.

Whew. I'm going to need lewdog or duncan or someone to tell me when the series is actually over.... can't count how many times it's been over since the first inning of game one.

suzzer99 10-12-2015 01:36 PM

Maybe we'll PH Orlando for Rios. He has a flair for the dramatic.

KChiefs1 10-12-2015 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels (Post 11795840)
By even allowing replays, though, that's what they opened themselves up to. If you allow super-slow-mo, multiple-angle replays, making calls within some subjective "spirit of the rule" is never going to happen, because of technical accuracy ability.


Costas is that you?

carcosa 10-12-2015 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 11795857)
This entire series has been an abortion

I'm a staunch liberal but this series makes me want to defund Planned Parenthood.

DeezNutz 10-12-2015 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 11795857)
This entire series has been an abortion

Pretty much.

Potentially sad last AB as a Royal for Gordo.

GloryDayz 10-12-2015 01:37 PM

Meltdown Planet....

carcosa 10-12-2015 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 11795863)
Maybe we'll PH Orlando for Rios. He has a flair for the dramatic.

100% in favor of this. Zero downside whatsoever.

jimidollar 10-12-2015 01:37 PM

These guys used up all the postseason magic last year.

alnorth 10-12-2015 01:37 PM

I don't even understand why they tried to steal 3rd in the first place. While Gordon is up, sure but with 2 outs? The benefit of Gore being at third instead of 2nd is very small.

Why Not? 10-12-2015 01:37 PM

How about the face of the franchise the past decade do anything worth a shit when he had the chance. Maybe it's a bs call but I'm not wasting energy on the umpires. This was a good team(not great, need starting pitching for that), that ran into an energetic team coming off a WC win that we know can fire your team up. Honestly, the series was most likely lost after game 1. We don't win in this stadium. Period

penbrook 10-12-2015 01:37 PM

Orlando is clutch just saying

TEX 10-12-2015 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 11795842)
Actually, they recently made a new rule in which they play nine innings instead of seven. I think you might be thinking of softball or little league or something.

Yep. And they ditched the 5-run-per-inning rule.

KCCHIEFS27 10-12-2015 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 11795849)
That type of call is always going to go with the home crowd.

In didn't in the Texas/Toronto series. I wonder if it's the same umpire or what. Because it was the exact same play, but apparently a guys arm is now considered a part of the glove. Incredible. And how in the world is it illegal to block home plate, but a third baseman can lower his knee to block third base? Doesn't make sense to me.

Bob Dole 10-12-2015 01:38 PM

Our marquee players were not marquee. WE've got what, 4 players batting under .150 in the series?

DeezNutz 10-12-2015 01:38 PM

Runner on = Davis.

DJ's left nut 10-12-2015 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels (Post 11795840)
By even allowing replays, though, that's what they opened themselves up to. If you allow super-slow-mo, multiple-angle replays, making calls within some subjective "spirit of the rule" is never going to happen, because of technical accuracy ability.

Yeah, I know.

It's just like those plays at 2b where the 2b bobbles the ball a little bit on the exchange and they started calling guys safe. Come the **** on - that was not why we have replay. Or that play in the Dodgers game where Tejada didn't get his toe on the bag before Utley detonated him. That's not what replay exists for; it's not there to play gotchya.

I was dead-set against replay and I still hate it because you knew this was the likely outcome - ballgames and in fact entire seasons hang on a ticky tack call like that that just shouldn't matter that much.

I'm resigned to it, but I still don't have to like it.

GloryDayz 10-12-2015 01:39 PM

See, that's a swing! Nobody on our team is trying that hard...

But it was a strike, so there's that...

GloryDayz 10-12-2015 01:39 PM

I have a feeling this runt might go yard...

Hootie 10-12-2015 01:39 PM

There was honestly no reason to steal 3rd with 2 outs regardless of the terrible overturn. But yeah, terrible ****ing overturn.

sedated 10-12-2015 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 11795847)
Stupid steal attempt with two outs. Should have been running with Gordon at the plate.

Just so much ****ing fail in that sequence.

This is the 2nd time this season I can recall Ned waiting for the 2nd out before stealing 3rd.

Pinch running for Salvy is likely the right call, but I don't think any Roayls fan wanted him coming out with Gordon/Rios/Esky coming up.

Bearcat 10-12-2015 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels (Post 11795840)
By even allowing replays, though, that's what they opened themselves up to. If you allow super-slow-mo, multiple-angle replays, making calls within some subjective "spirit of the rule" is never going to happen, because of technical accuracy ability.

Yeah, it can take years to tweak the rules.... there was a hockey goal scored because it hit the net above the glass, came back down on the goalies back, and went in.... they could have easily reviews it and called it a no-goal, but couldn't, and then they changed the review rule in the offseason.

It shouldn't be device to dumb down decision making, there has to be some human element to it. Just get the call right.

thebrad84 10-12-2015 01:40 PM

Who hits the HR for the Stros this inning?

GloryDayz 10-12-2015 01:40 PM

Ned looking worried...

alnorth 10-12-2015 01:40 PM

I have no problem whatsoever with the "out because replay showed him coming off the bag for a split second" situations that are now in the game.

Just because umpires did not possess the ability to see it at full speed, doesn't mean it was right that it was never called in the past. Its in the rules, that should have ALWAYS been out, and now it will be. If you don't like it, then change the rules.

Hootie 10-12-2015 01:40 PM

I'm all for stealing 3rd with 1 out but, regardless of success or not, putting yourself into any situation where you're making the final out at 3rd is dumb

carcosa 10-12-2015 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated (Post 11795885)
This is the 2nd time this season I can recall Ned waiting for the 2nd out before stealing 3rd.

#Yosted

Bearcat 10-12-2015 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11795884)
There was honestly no reason to steal 3rd with 2 outs regardless of the terrible overturn. But yeah, terrible ****ing overturn.

Yeah, a wild pitch is basically it... I guess with how badly Rios has looked though, maybe that was the only hope.

DJ's left nut 10-12-2015 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 11795853)
It's one thing to slide past the bag. But they've been calling guys out for a foot or hand coming an inch or two off the top of the bag. It's ridiculous.

Or deciding that if the 2b comes sideways behind the bag on a DP throw then it's a neighborhood play that can't be reviewed but if he's charging towards the bag to make a DP throw then it's not a neighborhood play and now it CAN be reviewed.

You gave teams a way to play gotchya and by god that's exactly what they're going to do. It really does suck.

seaofred 10-12-2015 01:41 PM

We have 2 hits... In an elimination game....

GloryDayz 10-12-2015 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebrad84 (Post 11795889)
Who hits the HR for the Stros this inning?

This runt certainly is trying to be the first..

Why Not? 10-12-2015 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebrad84 (Post 11795889)
Who hits the HR for the Stros this inning?

Springer. 2 run bomb right here.


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