Holy shit. Him in our lineup...

He just thanked Johnny Gomes for turning his career around by encouraging him

Did he also thank Gomes for his outfield defense in the 2014 Wild Card game?

The ball Hosmer hit off the metal rail that nobody couldve caught?


At any rate, he credits Gomes. He obv likes him. I suspect Gomes likes him too.

Oh, I thought you were BSing, I'm sorry.

Hosmer's ball was definitely misplayed by the A's outfield defense. No, it couldn't have been caught, but either Gomes or the Center Fielder should have been prepared to play it off the wall.

I have no complaints. I doubt Josh does either, it sounds like they bonded with the A's.

Part of the reason Gomes gave the speech is because he wasn't really part of the team. He is a respected veteran who was bragging on our team. Players around the league understand that he wasn't patting himself on the back for winning the World Series. He was just one of them who happened to be a temp for the organization that won. Hosmer couldn't have gotten away with that. Even Gordon couldn't have.

Gomes basically gave a best man's speech. That was his role...brag on the groom.

Absolutely this. He knew exactly what his role was and pulled it off with perfection.

:clap:ROFL

Gomes is the ultimate clubhouse guy.

he must hate us by now, if he didn't already

Was just reminded that Pablo Sandoval received a 5 year, $95 million contract last offseason. LMAO

Well one thing we know for sure is Gordon would never go that route. He might decline but it won't be from flaking off.

When do these things usually come to a head? We've got a while still right?

Winter meetings start Dec 6.

Watching MLB Network last night on the AL MVP award, they had all three finalists on screen at the same time. Harold Reynolds noted to Cain that he was the only one in the top 10 to make the World Series. Cain smiled, and you should've seen Donaldson's reaction. He kinda of dropped and shook his head like, "Man, are you kidding me?" Wish that video could be embedded, it was priceless.

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So, Donaldson was more valuable to Toronto than Cain was to KC?

Thanks! I couldn't find a way to embed that.

Cameron Maybin's circle of life is complete.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tigers?src=hash">#Tigers</a> announced today that the club has acquired OF Cameron Maybin from the Atlanta Braves in exchange for LHPs Ian Krol &amp; Gabe Speier</p>&mdash; Detroit Tigers (@tigers) <a href="https://twitter.com/tigers/status/667825190844260354">November 20, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Maybin had a bad second half, after pitchers adjusted to his new approach.

Will help them defensively, I guess (though I'm not sure what this means for Gose, who is a quality CF... maybe Maybin plays RF, and they shift Martinez to LF?).

Why is Hosmer headless?

WHERE IS HOSMERS HEAD?????

nvm I saw it, ****

@Ken_Rosenthal: Source: Liam Hendriks going to #Athletics for Chavez.

Royals should've tried to get Chavez

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="de" dir="ltr">40-man additions: Zimmer, Starling, Eibner, Mills, Strahm, Torres. Michael Mariot was DFA&#39;d.</p>&mdash; Andy McCullough (@McCulloughStar) <a href="https://twitter.com/McCulloughStar/status/667863570403586049">November 21, 2015</a></blockquote>
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1B Balbino Fuenmayor
RHP Christian Binford
RHP Brooks Pounder
LHP Sam Selman
C Parker Morin</p>&mdash; Royals Review (@royalsreview) <a href="https://twitter.com/royalsreview/status/667864262321180672">November 21, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Kind of suprising Pounder and Binford left of the 40 man for me. Would figure someone might snag one of em and put them in the pen for the year

"Brooks Pounder" ... Love that name.

Hey, I think Donaldson is a douchebag as much as anybody else does, but surely you weren't surprised he won the vote for regular season MVP, were you?

Offseason Outlook: Kansas City Royals
November 20th, 2015 at 1:05pm CST • By Steve Adams
Fans of Kansas City baseball were treated to a World Series title for the first time in 30 years in 2015, but there’s little time for GM Dayton Moore and his staff to rest, as the club will have a number of holes to fill this winter as it seeks a return to the promised land in 2016.

Guaranteed Contracts

Yordano Ventura, SP: $21.25MM through 2019 (includes buyout of 2020 option)
Omar Infante, 2B: $17.75MM through 2017 (includes buyout of 2018 option)
Jason Vargas, SP: $16.5MM through 2017
Edinson Volquez, SP: $12.5MM through 2016 (includes buyout of 2017 option)
Wade Davis, RP: $10.5MM through 2016 (includes buyout of 2017 option)
Kendrys Morales, DH: $9MM through 2016 (plus 2017 mutual option)
Eric Hosmer, 1B: $8.25MM through 2016 (arbitration eligible following 2016 season)
Alcides Escobar, SS: $5.75MM through 2016 (includes buyout of 2017 option)
Luke Hochevar, RP: $5.5MM through 2016 (plus 2017 mutual option)
Kris Medlen, SP/RP: 5.5MM through 2016 (plus 2017 mutual option)
Kelvin Herrera, RP: $2.55MM through 2016 (arbitration eligible following 2016 season)
Salvador Perez, C: $2MM through 2016 (plus three club options)
Arbitration Eligible Players (service time in parentheses; projections via MLB Trade Rumors)

Greg Holland (5.028) – $11.3MM
Drew Butera (5.018) – $1.1MM
Mike Moustakas (4.111) – $5.7MM
Tim Collins (4.097) – $1.475MM
Jarrod Dyson (4.088) – $1.7MM
Danny Duffy (4.085) – $4.0MM
Lorenzo Cain (4.074) – $6.1MM
Louis Coleman (3.018) – $1.0MM
Non-tender candidates: Holland (Tommy John surgery), Butera, Collins, Coleman
Contract Options

Alex Gordon, $14MM player option: Gordon declined
Wade Davis, $8MM club option: Exercised
Alcides Escobar, $5.25MM club option: Exercised
Alex Rios, $12.5MM mutual option: Royals declined ($1.5MM buyout)
Jeremy Guthrie, $10MM mutual option: Royals declined ($3.2MM buyout)
Free Agents

Alex Gordon, Johnny Cueto, Ben Zobrist, Franklin Morales, Ryan Madson, Chris Young, Rios, Guthrie
While Royals fans celebrate the highest pinnacle in baseball, they’re left perhaps with a bittersweet taste in their mouths knowing that Game 5 of the World Series could have been the last in franchise icon Alex Gordon’s career with the team. Gordon is a free agent after declining a player option and a qualifying offer and will test the open market this winter in search of a significant deal. While some might hope to see Gordon take a discount to remain in Kansas City, his initial contract extension with the Royals proved quite favorable for the team, and he may now look to max out his market. Early indications are that the Royals are hoping to retain Gordon on a three- or four-year deal, but I expect clubs to be willing to offer five years, or at the very least, four years at an extremely premium annual value (think Hanley Ramirez money).

The Royals have never given out a contract worth more than $55MM, but if they’re to retain any of their top three free agents, that’s probably going to have to change. Zobrist is the possible exception, but he’s already been linked to roughly a dozen teams and is said to be seeking a four-year pact. If Zobrist does receive four years, it’ll be for more than $55MM in total. Cueto seems bound for a $100MM+ contract somewhere despite some late struggles — his dominant World Series effort probably quelled concerns to some degree, though there are still some red flags — and that type of contract is difficult to envision from the Royals.

Kansas City, then, could face the notion of needing to find a new left fielder, a possible right field upgrade, a second base upgrade, at least one (possibly two) starting pitcher(s) and multiple arms to fill out the bullpen. The front office is riding high on the team’s 2015 success, but Moore and his staff know there’s no shortage of work to be done, and the resources to accomplish that work might be tighter than many realize.

They Royals are already sitting at a projected $90.3MM in payroll, assuming they tender only Mike Moustakas, Lorenzo Cain, Danny Duffy and Jarrod Dyson from their class of arb-eligible players. There are undoubtedly some additional World Series funds in Dayton Moore’s war chest, but when factoring in league-minimum players, the Royals are around $95.4MM — or only about $17MM shy of last year’s club-record $112.8MM Opening Day payroll. It should be noted that the Royals do have insurance on the contract of Jason Vargas, who had Tommy John surgery this past summer. The Kansas City Star’s Andy McCullough reported at the time that the team will get about $6MM of his $8.5MM salary back if he does not pitch next season, creating the potential for a bit more financial breathing room. Nonetheless, a return for either Zobrist or Gordon could bring them within striking distance of last year’s mark while only addressing one of the aforementioned needs.

The Royals are set behind the plate, where Salvador Perez, as most know, has one of the most team-friendly contracts in recent memory. He’s guaranteed $2MM next season and has three club options on his deal which range from $3.75MM (2017) to $6MM (2019). There’s been talk of extending Perez to make him a Royal for life, but from a pure baseball perspective, I’m not sure I see a reason to do so — at least not at this time. Perez is already under control cheaply through his age-29 season. As it stands, he’ll hit the open market entering his age-30 season and coming off an eight-year Royals career in which he’s been more heavily used than any catcher in the game. Perez caught 137 games in 2013, 146 (!) in 2014 and 139 in 2015 (not including postseason games). If that usage pattern continues, there’s no telling how his body will age, especially considering the fact that his 6’3″, 240-pound frame is rather large for a catcher in the first place. An extension that begins in 2020 seems overly risky from the team’s vantage point.

Turning to the infield, Eric Hosmer is a lock at first base, and there’s no doubt as to who will be manning shortstop (Alcides Escobar) or third base (Moustakas). The one possible area of upgrade, as previously mentioned, is at second base. Omar Infante is earning $7.75MM next season and has a sizable amount of money remaining on his contract, but he’s batted a dreadful .238/.268/.329 in two years with the Royals. That type of production won’t cut it for a contending club, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Royals shopped Infante around to see about lining up on an exchange of bad contracts. One speculative trade scenario would be to swap Infante for Milwaukee’s Matt Garza. While he’s owed more money, Garza could rebound in Kansas City’s large park and with their tremendous defense, making him a more palatable allocation of finances. (And, from the Brewers’ vantage point, Infante could fill in around a thin infield and would save them some money.)

If Infante is still in Kansas City next season, it could be in a bench role with either Christian Colon or an external addition slotting into the everyday role. That could mean a reunion with Zobrist on a three-year deal in the $16-18MM-per-year range — Zobrist has spoken highly of his time in Kansas City and resides in the relatively nearby Nashville, Tenn. — or a run at one of several free-agent second basemen. Howie Kendrick strikes me as a Royals-esque target, given his perennially high contact rate and his track record of solid defense (even if metrics like UZR and DRS felt he slowed down in 2015). Kendrick probably requires at least a three-year deal as well, however, if not four years, though I can envision a lesser annual rate than that of Zobrist in his case. Nevertheless, it’d make for a risky investment by the Royals. Chase Utley would be a more affordable alternative, though he’s far from a sure thing himself.

In the outfield, Cain will reprise his role as one of the game’s most valuable all-around players in center field. Last winter’s Alex Rios signing never paid full dividends, as he suffered a broken hand early in the season and was never terribly productive. The Royals could go with a platoon of Dyson and Paulo Orlando in right field, but the club balked at pursuing a platoon scenario with Dyson upon Nori Aoki‘s departure following the 2014 season, so perhaps they’ll look for another full-time solution to keep Dyson in a reserve role.

Korean outfielder Ah-seop Son makes plenty of contact and has been favorably compared to Aoki. We’ll learn the outcome of Son’s posting next week, and it wouldn’t be surprising to see Kansas City take a look. Aoki himself is again a free agent, though he dealt with concussion issues late in the season. Gerardo Parra is another affordable corner option that fits the Royals’ profile, and a pursuit of either Austin Jackson or Denard Span has some logic behind it, if the allure of playing for the reigning World Champs makes either free agent more amenable to shifting out of center field.

The rotation is a clear area of need for Kansas City, as Cueto, Chris Young and Jeremy Guthrie are all free agents (though Guthrie lost his rotation spot this season anyhow). Additionally, the team will probably be without Jason Vargas until at least August or September, as the veteran lefty underwent Tommy John surgery in late July.

That leaves Yordano Ventura, Edinson Volquez, Danny Duffy and Kris Medlen as rotation options, and there’s plenty of uncertainty within that group. Ventura was demoted to Triple-A but recalled before making an appearance down there due to Vargas’ injury. While he was much improved after that possible wake-up call, he’s yet to demonstrate prolonged consistency in the Majors. Duffy logged a 4.35 ERA, 4.65 FIP and 4.80 xFIP as a starter last season before shining in a relief role. He’ll probably return to the rotation, but he’s never topped 155 innings in a season and hasn’t held up for a full year in the rotation. Medlen tossed a combined 88 2/3 innings in returning from his second Tommy John surgery, making an increase of 100 or so innings a lot to ask.

Bringing back Young, whose extreme fly-ball skill set meshes quite well with Kauffman Stadium and the Royals’ emphasis on outfield defense, could be a nice low-cost way to add some of the needed innings for Kansas City. Other low-cost options could include Colby Lewis and Mike Pelfrey.

Of course, the Royals don’t necessarily need to limit themselves to the bargain bin. While a run at David Price or a Zack Greinke reunion doesn’t seem realistic, Kansas City could play in the middle tier of rotation arms if owner David Glass is comfortable escalating the payroll beyond 2015’s Opening Day mark. Scott Kazmir, Yovani Gallardo and Ian Kennedy are among the names whose annual values shouldn’t break the bank, and Kansas City could continue to employ its usage of mutual options to offset some of the early costs on a contract. Medlen, Morales, Hochevar and Volquez could each depart following the 2016 season, so backloading some contracts is an avenue that the Royals will consider. Kennedy, Pelfrey and perhaps Wei-Yin Chen, in particular, are plausible targets given Scott Boras’ seemingly strong relationship with ownership and the front office. (Hosmer, Moustakas, Rios, Hochevar, Colon, Holland and both Franklin and Kendrys Morales are repped by Boras.)

Trades, too, will be an avenue worth exploring. Options are vast, though in addition to the aforementioned Garza/Infante bad-contract swap, Oakland’s Jesse Chavez is reported to be available and would serve as an affordable name with whom the Royals are familiar. (Chavez pitched in Kansas City back in 2010-11 before breaking out with the A’s.) The names of Shelby Miller and Julio Teheran have both circulated in the rumor mill as well, though the cost of acquisition on either player would be high.

Whatever route the front office chooses, external rotation options are needed, as many of the arms from Kansas City’s once-vaunted farm system have graduated to the Majors (Duffy, Ventura) or been traded. John Lamb and Brandon Finnegan, for instance, went to Cincinnati in the Cueto deal, while Jake Odorizzi went to Tampa in the James Shields/Wil Myers trade. (Although, in retrospect, perhaps we should begin referring to that as the Wade Davis/Jake Odorizzi trade.)

As dominant as Kansas City’s bullpen has been in recent years, it’s going to be an area of need this winter. Brilliant closer Greg Holland pitched the better part of a year with a tear in his ulnar collateral ligament before succumbing to Tommy John surgery. Kansas City will non-tender Holland but hopes to work out a backloaded two-year deal to keep him in the organization. Regardless of the result of those efforts, Holland isn’t pitching in 2016.

That moves Davis into the closer’s role, which he’s more than equipped to handle. Kelvin Herrera can serve as his primary setup man, and the team will hope for Hochevar to look more like his dominant 2013 self than his 2015 self. That’s not to say he had a poor year — Hochevar, in fact, was quite solid in his first year back from Tommy John — but the blow of losing Holland would be softened were Hochevar to again deliver a sub-2.00 ERA.

The Royals are losing reclamation projects Ryan Madson and Franklin Morales to free agency and will need to replace both, in addition to Holland. Tim Collins will be back from his own Tommy John at some point, but a left-handed reliever should be acquired in some capacity. Tony Sipp is said to be a target of the Royals. As far as right-handed options to replace Madson and Holland, the Royals are believed to be interested in a reunion with Joakim Soria, but his price tag will be quite high. Shawn Kelley, Mark Lowe and Korean right-hander Seung-hwan Oh could all be more affordable options, to name a few.

While that, of course, is a rather lengthy to-do list for Moore and his staff, many of the pieces for a contending club are already in place. Cain, Hosmer, Moustakas, Perez and Escobar is a nice group of position players to build around, and a bullpen anchored by Davis and Herrera will be formidable. The rotation looks suspect at the moment, but there will be additions made, and Kansas City’s elite defense and huge park should benefit whatever collection of arms comprises next year’s rotation, much as it has the past two seasons.


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Donaldson completely changed my image of him during the ALCS. He didn't whine or preen at all. Of course he also sucked donkey balls. But he handled it with class. Best possible outcome. :thumb:

The Royals should look into Rex brothers

Agreed

The stare down he got into with his own catcher when they were both going after a foul ball was pretty pathetic, IMO. Can you imagine Moose doing that to Salvy?

Yea, that image is still fresh in my mind. That team, while scorching hot in th 2nd half, seems to have some personality issues.

All starts with "team leader" Jose Bautista. Who is a dick and sets the tone of dickishness for the entire team.

Loved the mention of Infante-for-Garza. Anything we could do to get rid of him is a pleasant thought

He is a Me player its all about him first team second. They can make him MVP but it doesnt make it so just he got the paper and trophy.

Any Rule 5 guys that the Royals could look into to filling in part of their bullpen piece?

MLB Annual meeting starts in less than two weeks. Most player agents will be there. I'd like to think some players would like the chance to play for a world title. Any predictions on the Royals making deals during the meetings? Duncan, with your inside sources, I'd like to hear your take.

You might be interested in reading THIS.

Not sure they get in on any of those guys, those the Cardinals guy appeals to me.

I also will chip in on the Rex Brothers train. Huge potential/great stuff.

Brothers likes to throw the base on balls.

It would have to be someone that no one outside the NL Central wants

My best sources are mostly quiet during the offseason, but I still beat the bushes for info (ie, read everything I can)...

I think the Royals re-sign Zobrist to something like 3/$50 (maybe 3/48 with a a $4 million buyout/$18 million team option).

I think Gordon gets a six-year deal somewhere that isn't KC (Anaheim makes a lot of sense).

I think they otherwise stand pat in the OF, with a Dyson/Orlando/Eibner approach to RF, waiting on Bubba Starling (though I still love the idea of kicking the tires on Osuna and seeing if you can get him for a lower cost than initially reported... something like Miguel Almonte for him would be pretty do-able, IMO. Maybe they'd have interest in a Tim Collins or Louis Coleman as a throw-in).

I think they add one SP we don't expect, maybe even Ian Kennedy. With the Royals likely to get a comp pick for Gordon, this might be a year they decide they can sign the RIGHT guy and lose their first rounder, as the value between the comp pick for Gordon and their original first-rounder wouldn't be that different.

I think two bullpen spots, the UTIL IF, and the 4th and 5th OF spots are all filled with internal options (Colon, Coleman, Flynn, Dyson, Orlando would be my guess), leaving two open OF spots, backup C, one SP, and one RP as the primary targets in FA/winter meetings.

I predict Pelfrey signs here.

thanks for the feedback.

Would love for Zobrist to be retained but what to do with Omar? I'd understand if Gordon is gone.

You mention Eibner as an OF possibility but what about Lane Adams and Jose Martinez?

Louis Coleman pitched 63 innings in Omaha with a 1.69 ERA. Hope he's figured it out.

Too bad Flynn got hurt. Will he be able to get his stuff back and be able to help the Royals pen?

I'd hate for them to trade either Zimmer or Almonte (but, in DM we trust). Hope Zimmer makes it to the big leagues in 2016.

Also a good call. He'd be a solid, Chris Young-like back-end signing. Wichita kid, too.

Zobrist would play some OF if brought back and Gordon is not. His positional flexibility would give them a lot of insurance at multiple spots... and if Infante is absolutely terrible again, you can slide Zobrist to 2B on most days (or Colon) if necessary.

I don't think Lane Adams is a legitimate MLB option, or Jose Martinez. Eibner COULD be, though I think it's likely he's more of a poverty Drew Stubbs than anything else (decent 4th OF who is a threat vs. lefties).

Zimmer will be in KC in 2016. It wouldn't surprise me to see them use him out of the pen to start the season (either in KC or Omaha), gradually stretching him out as the season goes on to make sure he's ready for 175 innings in 2017, as a SP.

He pitched 19 innings in 2012 and 29 innings in 2014. Since 2016 is an even numbered year, I'd sign him for 2017 only. JK

It's the Wichita connection that seals Pelfrey for me, and he showed he was healthy (as he's gonna be) last year. Really fits the Young profile. I mean this one is a slam dunk.


Any ideas on corner OF???

Pelfrey sucks fellas. He gave up 198 hits in 164 innings at like 4.6 era.... He only pitched well AGAINST us.

Other than Zobrist getting some time there if re-signed, at least at the start of the season (unless they do a bad contract swap on Infante), I'd think Parra is an option. And perhaps a trade for someone like Osuna if the price becomes more reasonable.

He's being floated as rotational depth, not a key piece. At least in my mind (and I think in PB's).

If he's your No. 6/7 starter to start the season, that's pretty OK.

I hear ya....but let's do the bigger ticket shopping first.

Golfing Sunday, brought up your arbitration restructure idea. I long advocated some type of 10-20% escrow on all contracts, divvied out after the season based on production. But your way is cleaner and won't cause argument.


But my buddy said: "Don't you get it? Hitting it big is the American Dream. They are ok being screwed early because they all believe they'll hit the jackpot year 7. It's how lotteries sell tickets, why socialism gets voted down. They sit next to Omar Infante and know he's getting 8M and that makes them ok waiting for FA."

My impression of golfing with PB: starts with two holes of Royals, inevitably morphs into 16 holes of Obummer.

It's going to be interesting to see how it works out long term.

If teams start being "smarter" about long-term deals for guys in their 30s, and the FA dollars start drying up, it may open some eyes on the payday issue.

Ultimately, I hope it stays the way it is, because it helps level the playing field for teams like KC.

It absolutely helps KC. These dipshit big markets blow their loads on "stars" and they immediately turn into pumpkins. We bargain-shop and get the same productivity (in 2015 it was much higher).


That said, I was all wrong about younger players demanding a bigger slice. I didn't factor in the American dreamer. The jackpot is out there. And it's too alluring for young guys, many who have no college or much money sense. Plus agents tell them to NEVER sign away arb years - they're a huge factor here too.

It works until one big-market team starts using small market values. Then it blows everything up.

Hosmer crushes the rest of the league in "clutch". http://www.fangraphs.com/community/e...in-the-league/

Maybe A-rod was onto something after all.

Another pitcher I'd look at is Tim Lincecum. I just read something today about his comeback attempt, that he's feeling well. Would think a 1-year "prove it" deal with our defense in that park would be appealing.

Which is why his power numbers won't keep anyone away from offering him a giant contract after the 2017 season. He's going to get an 8/$184MM type deal.

Has any free agent of note signed? If this was the NFL all the big names would be gone by now

Its a bit slow now.

But on a side note I had a Bricks sighting today in a chiefs related thread.

Not a bad lottery ticket to scratch if could be gotten cheaply enough . . . .

Maybe big incentive laden contract?

1 year/ 8 mil., potential to make up to $12-13 mil. ???

I don't have a big problem with the way he flips his bat. It's a little dickish, but I can also understand it. But the way he totally misplayed the pop fly in shallow right field, let it drop in front of him while he stood there flat-footed, and then blamed the whole thing on Ryan Goins after the game was total dickishness.

He is a ****ing douchebag.

Him being an asshole has nothing to do with his bat flips. I don't have any problem with that.

Cubs traded for Rex Brothers per Twitter.

I saw an idea floated online that the Brewers might be interested in flipping bad contracts with the Royals by trading Matt Garza to KC for Omar Infante.

Think it makes a lot of sense. Garza struggled quite a bit in Milwaukee but would be a definite bounceback candidate in KC.

Braves signed Bud Norris today.

Tigers catcher Alex Avila signed with the White Sox.

Notable because his dad is the Tigers' GM. Should make for an interesting Thanksgiving dinner.

Exit velocity, 152 players with >250 balls tracked:

9. Nelson Cruz
10. Marcell Ozuna
11. Kendrys Morales

still want to kick the tires on marcell ozuna, see what it would take to get him.

Bob Dole had a bricks sighting in his toilet earlier today.

That may require medical attention.

FG suggested either Gausman or Walker/Paxton from SEA. Our best comp would be the mid point between YV + Danny Duffy. (YV for Ozuna +......or Duffy + for Ozuna)

I don't know that it's Duffy + much. Guess you're only talking about two years of control of Duffy vs 4 with Walker or 5 with Gausman. Think Paxton would be 5 as well.

But if that's the price, and Florida gets one of those guys for Ozuna, good for them.

The Blue Jays have signed J.A. Happ to a 3 year, $36 million deal. Let the games begin.

Speaking of the Blue Jays.

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If JA Happ got $12 million AAV, I think we can expect all deals to be inflated more than we were projecting.

I mean, it's possible the Jays just loved something about him (maybe they buy his second half improvement more than most?) and really raised the market, but it's more likely guys are just going to get more money.

Perhaps, but there's a reason he's the only player of note to sign so far. Deal was too good to pass up relative to his other offers.

There are usually some crappy early signings like this.

Dave Cameron puts a 20% hike on all the FG crowdsourcing estimates. They've found the past few years that taking last year's contracts and adj them for expected dollar-per-WAR still comes up short. Cameron believes it's because "it only takes one" mentality. The crowdsourcing probably *does* accurately predict the avg value (or median) of all offers...... but the winner's curse of bidding always means 1 party overpays at the end.



That was long-winded but I believe it addresses your point and they find the same things you are predicting. Net: Cameron has Zobrist 4/76 and Gordon 4/92. Last I checked anyway.


His figure for Zobrist is breathtaking.

What is happening with Gordon? Is he coming back?