I'm trying to see the problem with this trade and I can'st see one...

Traded a low first round pick for a young, healthy and very productive edge rusher

I think it's a rather good move....

Guys - I apologize - it's been crazy at work - how's our 2nd rounders disrupted?

Let's see if Dorsey will take KPass for Duke Johnson. He and Williams would be 1 and 1A.

That's help soften the Frank Clark rapening.

Don't try to use logic here.

Veach has had one draft. He didn't have a 1st. His 2nd was Speaks who was drafted to replace Houston and/or Ford when the time came and was asked to play out of position in a 3/4. His 3rds were Nnadi who was a terrific pick in that slot and O'Daniel who contributed in spurts. 4th was Watts who got hurt. 6ths were Smith who was one of the best KRs in the NFL and MacKenzie who was a classic flyer/project.

Veach sucks!

Paying players about to hit their prime is a foreign concept to the Kingdom.

After watching Clarks' 2018 highlights my dick is so hard it could cut glass right now.

I AM SMASHING WINDOWS WITH MY BONER

The offseason wait is going to be excruciating.

He’s a certified badass. This defense is going to have some true attitude about it.

It looks like he just doesn't quit.

Yea, this last month has sucked, but right now you couldn't slap the smile off my face.

Let’s not forget we have Carlos Hyde, who I like a lot in this offense.

Clark is a violent offender...

















on the field

Clark was chasing Damien Willams 20 Yards down field

Love it!

Who would we have found that’s better and had more immediate impact than this guy at the end of round 1 ?

I hate the trade and that massive contract but if Veach can somehow add a decent CB and a LB, could this defense be close to a top 10 unit?

I bet someone could

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It's a go for it move. Don't love big money for 5 years but what's done is done. I just really hope our luck with these deals change. Houston and Berry were soooooo bad for us.

Not a fan of this trade. Guy was already a headcase before getting paid. Shudder to think what he'll be like now. Don't get how we can cut Kareem for that video, then turn around and give up the farm for this guy.

All that said, I do see the upside potential. He's a madman on the football field and will bring violence and attitude. Hopefully he can give us a couple of good years before his inevitable implosion.

that's what I am seeing, stump....dude seems to have an engine and a bit of a nasty streak to go with it

So we give up 29 - what else happened pick-wise? please and thank you in advance.

Carcosa had a post where he offered a logical, rational defense of this trade that wasn't centered around erections and/or ejaculations. That's the real news from today.

ABSOLUTELY.

I think it's possible.

I'd say we have one of the better defensive lines and secondaries in the NFL.

We could still potentially move up in the second round and get another good impact defensive player who can contribute right away.

Damn I'm excited.

but what if da guy with da 29th pick doent quit neithr

I picked YOU to be my best friend!

This! He will lock down his side of the ball forcing teams to double him and run the other direction. I love that we are going all in- I want a Super Bowl win!

Dorsey’s first draft was pronounced as a shit draft after the first year he was here. There isn’t enough time to decide that.

The body of work is what we wanted.

We wanted Sutton fired.
We wanted Berry gone.
We wanted Ford gone.
We wanted Houston gone.
We wanted a good coaching staff on defense.
We wanted responsible proactive contract deals.
We wanted real tangible upgrades.

Idk what you want? Veach has done all of that, be it with Andy. This team got top level talents at DE and safety and STILL has 3 picks in the top 85 to make moves.

I’m starting to adapt htismaqe’s philosophy after last season. I get that we need to be long term, which this weekend will be all about, but I am sick and tired of failure.

50 years dude. FIFTY YEARS. I want us to go all in while we can. Doesn’t mean we aren’t preparing for the future too.

Buckle up and enjoy 2019. This will be the best season of your life.

Some good CBs available in round 2. Amani Oruwariye, Julian love, Lonnie Johnson, Chauncey Gardner Johnson, and Justin Layne

Thank you! Of course, my erection has ejaculated 100 times since the trade was announced, but I wanted to focus on the more pertinent details!

So Ford’s pressure rate is 14 percent and Clark’s is almost 24 percent?

That’s impressive in and of itself.

You know what. **** everyone who doesn’t love this trade. I’m all in. We’re winning the ****ing Super Bowl and the rest of the league can suck our collective Chief dicks. Mahomes is going balls deep in every defense’s butt hole and Jones/Clark are dragging their sacks on QBs foreheads all year.

Just saw the news.

That is the most egregious overpay I've seen in years.

The Chiefs essentially traded Ford, a first and a second for Frank Clark and a second.

And they still have to pay Clark.

Holy shit, Reid's front office arrogance is destroying another team.

Yep

We gave up our 1st for an immediate impact player, who is elite at his position.

We gave up one of our two 2020 2nd round picks we acquired from SF. We still have the higher 2nd rounder.

We also moved up in the 3rd round.

So basically, we gave (1) 2nd round pick and we moved up in the 3rd round.

The draft shows are scrambling to figure out which other team they're gonna take a commercial break on now that the Chiefs don't have a first round pick.

The thing is, yeah, we're paying Clark and Mathieu a lot of money.

They're still YOUNG. This isn't a one year run. We're putting pieces on the board that give us a SEVERAL YEAR window. We didn't sign a bunch of 30 year old guys. We got RID of those guys.

We add a CB and maybe a LB and this is a GREAT defense.

shup up

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There's naysayers to this deal? It's a good one. Look deeper.

Chiefs give up:

29th overall
92nd overall
2020 2nd Round pick (Whichever pick is later in the 2nd round between the Chiefs/49ers pick from the Dee Ford trade)

Chiefs receive:
Frank Clark
84th overall

Never forget the day. This is like when Frank the Tank defeated James Carville in a debate about the government's role in supporting biotechnological innovation.

ROFL

Thank you, electronic Dave!

Well ****ing said!

Thanks

Basically we gave up a 2nd rounder.

Woof on this take Hamas. Take a lap.

We should've traded for Vernon Gholston...

Let me take that bad boy for a spin

You could have had Ford and a first for the same price. Even if Ford is only 85 percent of Clark, the first more than makes up for that value.

and a lot of money. But we have the room. It's why you ditched Houston/Berry/Ford.

Cap space is for things like this: Clear, unequivocal upgrade at a premium position who is 25 ****ing years old.

We're going to wreck worlds.

I FEEL LIKE FRANK CLARK RAPED ME AND I LIKED IT!

Ford ****ing sucks at run defense.

he's not 85%. He's 50%. He's a liability against the run. A target.

he's a situational pass rusher in a 4-3. Anything else he's a target.

My concern is that we're not getting what we're giving and that we may or may not have a GM that can even draft, run a board, engineer a smart trade.

I understand the talent acquisition and why it was done, and most of it I've agreed with. I've definitely agreed with the scorched earth that we lit up a few months ago. But I'm not sure that we are doing our best to continually put ourselves in the best position to succeed, and I'm not sure that our general manager is as smart or smarter than his predecessor in some areas.

In any event, I appreciate your practical approach to the conversation. Idiot cheerleaders have no place in this type of a discussion.

The Hate part I agree.

But remember we got likely one of the higher picks in the second round for Ford, and gave up one of the lowest in the first for Clark. In the end they might only be a few picks apart from each other.

They obviously didn't want Ford. And with what compensation they got, the rest of the league didn't really either.

I'd have preferred to keep Ford, but it seems Clark is a pretty big upgrade.

It’s been said that this deal is similar to the Demarcus Lawrence deal. The Cowboys can get out of that deal with $40 million back after year 3.

Quit looking at the total number and wait for the structure.

Presumably with a DE rotation of Speaks, Okafor, and Ogbah, we can keep Clark fresh to continue to rape faces.

Your first post in this thread

LMAO just stop

I open up twitter and the headline reads, The Chiefs are under fire after Frank Clark’s past domestic issues resurface...

Pro tip: longer deals always have outs after 3 years.

Ford sucks at run defense and he doesn’t fit our new scheme.

Geez, his busted ass is gone and so is his ****ed up back.

I was thinking the opposite - it might mean they know they aren't going to extend or resign Hill - so they have more money to play with.

If that. Ford has always been a one trick pony. Along with being a liability in run.

Exactly and he’s worthless against a QB who can make quick reads.

He was a one trick pony.

Don't like the compensation. Love the player though.

:facepalm:

But then again this is the same idiot that would’ve preferred John Pagano to Spags


LMAO

Yes please!! Jones and Nandi will continue to rape. Jones and Clark raping during the pass and Nnadi clogging up the holes on run defense. Our line is legit!

Exactly

Anyone who is butt hurt over this deal, needs to go back and look up where the defense ranked last year. We needed to upgrade the defense to take another run at the Super bowl and we're off to a great start. This defense is going be greatly improved from the embarrassing product that was on the field last year.

Terez just said earlier that if the Chiefs want to extend Hill they can. You can always find a way to extend a player

I mean as it relates to 2019 and not being released due to his issue

She does like reheated spaghetti, and is incapable of being on time, so she's got that going for her, which is nice...

which is what i continuously preach on here.

Think of it like this:

The overwhelming majority of people on CP think Clark Hunt is a complete pussy - beholden to the masses of social justice warriors - who just wants to charge more for parking, protect his brand, and make more money.

Take solace in the fact that if he thought Hill were going to be suspended for the bulk of the season and if he thought the PR brushback would've forced him to release Hill, would he have given the okay for the Clark trade? Does it really sound like Clark Hunt to so aggressively toe the line?

I'm not for a second saying Hill is definitely in the clear. But if the odds were 60/40 before, they have to be 80/20 now. And that's a huge win for the team that we should all be excited about, irrespective of your views on this trade.

1/2 trick pony, at best. He needed Chris Jones and a healthy Houston to be effective.

Frank Clark to KC!
 

I view it as...

Chiefs give:
Dee Ford
1st round (29)

Chiefs get:
Frank Clark
2nd round upgrade in 2020 (49ers pick)
3rd upgrade in 2019 (Seattle vs KC, 9 spots)

Unless you view Clark as a minimal upgrade from Ford, that seems pretty fair to me.

2019 #29 value: 640
2019 # 84 value: 170 (+ 38 from 93)

For sake of the 2020 pick, let’s say the 49ers improve and end up with the 14th pick in round 2: value: 440

If the Chiefs are in the bottom five of round 2 again, you’re looking at value ranging: 292-270 (+150-170)

Let’s keep the numbers round and say they end up gaining 200 draft value points overall. That’s the equivalent of a mid-3rd round pick.

... (edit)
Which means the overall payout in draft pick value equates to basically a mid-2nd