I will repeat, There was a crime committed against TH's son, his mother and father did not cooperate with investigation...

That say's it all to me. Lawyer did a great job but left TH looking guilty. Someone in his family did something, but he (TH) did not assist in bringing that person to justice. Enough said. 8 games.

If he isn’t even charged why the hell would the Chiefs keep him suspended. Unsuspend his ass and play him.

Oh, I think there is a decent chance this whole thing is an SJW hit job. I've said that from the beginning. Just wondering if King would be willing to lose Mahomes...

Does this man look that stupid?

https://www.masslive.com/resizer/vcT...2QRFQU3V5E.jpg

I jumped the gun on this one. After the audio tapeswere released I was sure he was a goner.

My bad

how about simply not reacting emotionally? There was ZERO reason to release him at the time. ZERO. Literally nothing has changed, so I’m not sure why your position has.

Surely you’re more emotionally stable than the Chiefs (see: Hunt, Kareem)

LMAO Are you just going to incessantly whine about that forever? It's not like Damien Williams didn't immediately step in and give us similar production.

The Hunt release bothers me still, but I think it is possible if the video of Kareem never existed we would've dropped Tyreek after his audio leaked.

**** no, especially now that we might be acquiring PP. Could you imagine last years' offence paired up with a potential top 10 defence? We'd be UNSTOPPABLE. A 16 and ****ing 0 juggernaut, and SB champs! We need Hill now more than ever, and we need PP. Quit being vaginas.

If we acquired PP, I really think we'd go 16-0.

Although there would prob be a bs turnover game thrown in there, but still. We'd be SB champs easy.

This.

Yes, you and your poll sucked a big dick. I hope you have learned.

It was a really stupid decision. Were you suggesting for Chief Fan to stop ****ting on the play of Mark Castle?

If Thompson can be 75% of what Kareem was, then it's not a big deal. It's like you keep ignoring that Kareem wouldn't have played in any of our playoff games or our first 8 games this season even if we kept him. He ****ed himself over.

That's neat. He wasn't playing the remainder of last year and half of this year, and they weren't going to put up with his shit when it became apparent he lied about the incident after being given multiple chances to fess up. It's been half a year since he got kicked to the curb and the guy that replaced him gave us similar production.

What assets did we get in return? I assume we would’ve received something for a player of his talent, given that he was clearly going to play again and be well-rested. I mean, I get that the Chiefs were all emotionally butt-hurt, but that shouldn’t have prevented them from acquiring an asset, given that no other team had that same emotional baggage.

Again, why simply give away an asset like that? I would say that I’m glad you idiots aren’t running the Chiefs, but, unfortunately, similar idiots are.

What’s the advantage in similarly cutting a player like Hill?

Ah, so you're pissy that we didn't get a late round pick in return? The fact he got a contract worth a **** hair over 1 million with 0 guaranteed should be a giant clue that the NFL doesn't value him nearly as much as you apparently think they do.

Yeah, I guess I wish my team would always attempt to make solid competitive decisions. Are there other picks you’d like to give away? Honest question.

LMAO You've been throwing this prolonged temper tantrum because we didn't get a throwaway pick. Good Lord.

I’m sure teams would have lined up to give a valuable pick up for a rb with anger problems whose gonna be in a long suspension

It wouldn't be so bad if the guy who stepped in to replace him didn't miss that easy f****** pass just outside of the end zone in the championship game.
Hunt would have caught that.
That's seven points and a win.

Again, which of our picks for next year are you good with giving away? Once you can answer that, see if you can figure out why the Chiefs haven’t given them away.

That’s a good question. How much is a league-leading rusher on a rookie contract worth if he has to miss 8 games (but you get to keep him for the next 1.5 years, cost-controlled, after his time off)? I don’t know the answer, but it would have been cool to find out.

You act like they got rid of Hunt for no reason. Maybe you don't give a shit that he is too stupid to not get into a drunken altercation with a girl and then lie about it for months, but the Chiefs did. Deal with it.

Am I happy they got rid of him? No, just apathetic. We weren't keeping him around long term, no one was giving us anything of value for him, and he plays the position that might be the easiest to find talent for in the NFL.

While it’s somewhat disappointing that you won’t answer the pick question, it’s not at all surprising, given that over 50% of this board wants to do the same with Hill (give him away for no compensation).

I will, though, stop talking about Hunt (in this thread). It’s far crazier that Chief Fan wants to get rid of Hill prior to any action/determination by the league. At least to this point, even the Chiefs aren’t that stupid.

Your pick question is stupid and pointless. That's why it's not getting answered. Chiefs didn't cut Hunt for no reason, regardless of how butt hurt that reasoning made you.

I suppose not, but they could have achieved the same result by suspending and later trading him, no? The only, apparent, reason is that they were too emotional/impatient/stupid to play the long game, not unlike Chief Fan with Hill.

So we circle back around to you pitching a prolonged temper tantrum because they didn't hold on to him and try to trade him for a throwaway pick. That is a really odd thing to get this worked up about.

Cause as good as Kareem Hunt, it's not hard to replace a running back. A WR like Hill would be damn near impossible to replace though.

Damien Williams had 5.1YPC last year and he's a journeyman RB. So we shouldn't act like Hunt was irreplaceable. He just ****ed himself over and cost his team during a playoff run. In between the two season, he'll have missed 15 games including 2 playoff games. He put himself in that position by being an idiot and then by lying to the Chiefs about his idiocy. If he would have been honest, worst case scenario is that he got 4-6 games suspended at the beginning of last year instead of basically the whole last half of the season. And that's the worst case scenario. Best case is that the chiefs would have somehow gotten the tape buried and he lives happily ever after.

That would prove him to be even smarter than anyone think he is - which is a lot - realizing he has no business in a team whose roster is decided by the media, and more committed to PC than winning.

:clap:

I get your frustrations with cutting Hunt and getting nothing in return. It sucked......a lot. However, I don't see that the Chiefs are really any worse off for doing it, other than recouping a late pick for him. Thompson looks like a similar player. Hopefully he will be. If so, we just got more cost controlled years on a rookie contract with him. And, we likely don't draft him if we still had Hunt. Williams performed well in his stead as well. As good as he was, his violence along with our depth at RB, made him expendable.

Hoping a player is as good as Hunt isn't as good as actually having Hunt. And yes, we didn't get a late pick, but we also had to use another pick to get Thompson.

Deal is though, Thompson is a different type of back than Hunt. Thompson is a little guy. Not sure he's gonna be anywhere near as durable as Hunt. Not sure you can pound the ball with him, like you could with Hunt. Hunt had an exceptional skill set for many situations. Cant believe the snap decision to release him to appease the SJ crowd, errr I mean "because he lied" to the Chiefs. :rolleyes:

look the majority of players for a team are just numbers, most do not take "personal" feelings into effect. Either your good enough or your not, period.

My take is to do whatever it takes to make the team better. Do I want Hunt or Hill on the team ? No but I would have NEVER just given them away or released them until I could recoup a high, 1st or at worst 2nd round pick.

How would I do it? I'd keep Hunt until the end of the season, as I would with hill and have all of the things they did fade in peoples minds. Once they both have steller years like you would expect, trade them. I think you could easily get a first for Hill and at worst a second for Hunt.

At that point its up to your GM to find the right 1st and 2nd picks in the draft. But to let them go for nothing is right up there with the stupidest moves ever. The only way I would do that was if they were convicted of a crime and in jail for 2 years or more. other than that its tag and trade for me.

The browns could easily get a second round pick if he comes back and plays great and they trade him in the off season.

Im was on board for keeping Hunt and am in favor of keeping Hill. However, if I was on the other side, I would certainly get behind your way of thinking. It represents a way to gain something from a bad situation, without losing everything and gaining nothing. No way would I just release them without trying to get something for them.

First, good luck finding a team willing to give a premium pick for a RB with his history and the fact that you can sign guys off the street and get similar production with a RBBC.

Second, the Browns trading Kareem Hunt? How? He's got a 1 year deal and he won't even be on the field until AFTER the trade deadline.

the more this lags, the more I think he stays on this team. I think they give him 8 games and he appeals and gets 6... what say you all?

Unless Crystal and her family come out with some absolutely damning evidence, he's probably clear. He's already admitted and in counseling for spanking the kid, and that really isn't enough to punish him for, regardless of how people feel personally about it.

He's either innocent of the more heinous things such as breaking the kids arm, or his lawyers are excellent and have muddied the waters up enough with proof that he'll be okay even if he did do something. Either way, it'll take something really damning to actually convict him.

The audio is a whole different matter. I'm assuming he's getting a suspension just based on his prior history and what he said to her.

Since you stated so much as fact that is, at best, speculation, let me counter with, "it cost us a trip to the Super Bowl"...

The truth is, we'll never know. But losing a key member of a well-oiled offense that needed to score 40+ points (and sometimes more) to win games, yeah, that hurt a LOT.

Good. We need him for our SB ambitions.

I didn't like it but he lied to them repeatedly. I think they feel that a trust had been broken. And I really, really hate that the Browns signed him. Since they are an up and coming team in the AFC, this could really bite us in the butt. Still, I don't blame the Chiefs for doing what they felt they had to do.

It's pretty naive to think that NFL teams would be willing to give up high draft picks for players with questionable behavior and off the field problems.

Frank Clark says hello

There is a lot to this, not the least of which is the Hunt family concern for Hill's family (children).

Other issues:

NFL process...

Hearsay issue, evidence...

Crystal's responsibility...

Concern to teach young men from who come from hard backgrounds...

Liability issues...

The inequity of cutting a player who ends up going to another team to perform (Kareem Hunt)…


You can probably think of more.

Oh, it was definitely speculation. I'm not sure how I came across as stating anything as fact. I used words like probably will and likely.

Hunt was on the Commissioners Exempt List for the remainder of the season. He wasn't playing for the rest of the 2018/2019 season regardless of what we did or didn't do

Yet, we could have kept him. NEVER release assets.

My bad. I just think it was terrible to lose Hunt when/like we did. For nothing (!!!!); just because we wanted to look like good guys in a league where being a good guy doesn't mean shit, nor help win championships.

I presume he sent this Hello by Western Union telegram from 5 years ago, not from this past offseason. Any word on whether Frank Clark's kids have ever been taken away by CPS?

Valid points. But in the end (no pun intended), we got ****ed.

Correction, we ****ed ourselves.

And for anyone arguing the merits of that dumbassef, short-sighted move, wake up and realize that the proof is in the Tyreek Hill pudding. Some fools can learn from experience!

True, but it stinks that they couldn't see their error in the first place.

They cut Hill...this exact same article will appear in about a year.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...les-trust-back

He Good!

Patrick Mahomes could tell me to have sex with Brooke Pryor or else he’s going to leave KC, and I’d do it. Happily. I’d even pretend to like it if he wanted me to.

Not trying to :Poke: you here but this is pure speculation as well. Quite frankly IMHO we didn't miss a beat without him. Damien Williams stepped up when he needed to and played like this is his normal self IF given the chance in which he did. He definitely showed quicker feet and burst than Hunt for sure and I will go out on a limb here and say DW actually improved the RB position to some degree at the time he took over. And now with some serious thoroughbreds in our RB stable I feel very confident in this position.

Except for the EZ pass to the end zone that hunt would have caught without missing a beat...

I knew I was speculating. But **** it, I refuse to lose Hill. And if we do, I want a mint for him...

I would say Mahomes definitely has pull/influence with Chiefs brass...even CHunt. He's their golden unicorn. He doesn't HAVE to sign an extension...

He's friends with Hill...and knows the REAL dirt.

I have a feeling they all regretted releasing K. Hunt...when the SJW witch-hunt dust blew away.

In the biggest game for the Chiefs in 50 years...

It's not an "SJW witch hunt" to release someone who wont' stop brawling off the field and continually lies about it to the team. That person has a disciplinary problem and is a repeat offender who should be off the team.

The NFL has a problem that when a team that does the right thing by releasing players with poor character, other teams that don't care about players' character reap the benefits. That's the league's problem. Releasing that person is still the right thing for the Chiefs to do.

Someone should make a new poll. Has anyone changed their mind? Then changed back again? Ive been firmly on the "not in favor of" the whole time. In fact I feel like it may be a blessing for re-signing him for cheaper than expected. Better us than the Patriots or Cowboys.

It was an over-reaction.

Hunt hasn't done anything as serious as Hill. I think Hunt's biggest crime was playing a devalued and easy to replace position...

Right... the standards for character should be the same for everyone, but because running backs are easily replaced Hunt got the boot, whereas Hill is getting every inch of rope the Chiefs think they can credibly give him.

The Hill problems should be evaluated the same whether he's a practice squad player or a Pro Bowler, but I think the fact that he's still around clearly indicates that it will not.

Nowhere in life have i ever found that to be true.

Totally disagree with your first paragraph. Suspend him and get him counseling. Then see where you're at afterwards. IMO, that's what should have happened with Hunt. But because of all the SJW's out there and all the pressure that accompanies them, errrr I mean because Hill lied :rolleyes:,
is why the Chiefs jumped the gun to release him.

And, you’re wrong here. The Chiefs released him because they’re were stupid and emotional. Literally nobody really gives a shit about such “pressure.”

LMAO Hunt was not playing in the AFC Championship Game regardless. He was still on the Commissioners Exempt List. Why is that still a point people bring up?

Theory time...

Eleazor is Brooke Pryor, think about it.

Look at who it is

I agree with most, but an all pro rb's value goes beyond the numbers and can be hard to quantify. Remember the 3rd and 1 in the afc championship game DW was stuffed in a play Hunt would have easily gained if you switched bodies at point of contact. That one play (slight hyperbole ahead) may have meant the SB, and was a huge stop for NE.

Certainly a woman.

IMO you're spot on about it being a stupid and emotional decision, but mistaken if you feel that the Chiefs didn't give a shit about feeling the heat.

It was NEVER the right thing.

Post is logical.

I’m for keeping until the end of the year. Then tag and trading him for a first . Enough tine will of gone by where we should be able to get a first for him. Especially if amari Cooper gets a first we should get two first although one would be fine. Even if he is cleared just to much drama surrounding the guy.

It's a sucker move for chumps. You suspend him a bit, tell the press you're sending him to counseling, send him, and get back to winning games.

You NEVER release talent. EVER.

And probable.

Still true!