That's why in week 3 of his first season, Bob's defense gave up 264 yards rushing to the Eagles?

Lol yea that had nothing to do with having Hali, Houston, Poe, DJ, Berry etc.

Don’t tell me. Shady?

That was part of it. They actually gave up 241 against the Bills a few weeks later. They finished the 2013 as the 26th-ranked rushing defense in YPA.

At some point, I think we all have to be willing to put some of the blame at the feet of Andy Reid and decide what we're willing to put up with defensively in exchange for what he's done with the offense.

Like I said before, we all wanted change, whether it was a coaching change or player changes. We ended up getting BOTH. Time to let it play out. Week 3 doesn't seem like the best time to decide it's a failed experiment.

All things considered, giving up long rushing drives with Mahomes as your QB is better than the alternative of being unable to defend even Casselian levels of passing offenses considering running the ball is almost always going to burn off more clock whereas your offense is able to score almost at will through long passes.

Your whole shit is being contrary. It gets tiring.

Popular CP meme/catchphrase. All in fun. :D

Yeses all the way around. :thumb:

No worries. Caffeine is finally kicking in.

Honestly no neither of those answer my question. How is it game changing when they supposedly ran 44% of their plays away from him 56% of their plays went towards him? It seems that they'd run away from him more times than not if they were scared of him. I know Stout is good at breaking down film, but he obviously hasn't looked at the trends of the Ravens.

When looking at the numbers from the 1st two weeks of the season you can easily see that the Ravens have better run blockers or like to run to the right side more than they do the left. In the 1st 2 weeks the Ravens had 56 runs that they ran to the right or to the left, but doesn't include runs up the middle. The Ravens ran to the right on 61% of those runs and to the left on 39% of those runs.

So with a little digging you can see that they weren't running away from Clark, they were just doing what they've been doing all season long. If they were running away from Clark you would think that once they moved him to the other side that they would start running the other way, but that is not what happened.

Now back to the video, Stout says that Clark was "solid", but not "exceptional". Don't you give up what we gave up for exceptional? This next statement is about the article, when I see someone say that FC was double and triple teamed against the Ravens, then I'm not going to take that source seriously. I watched him on every play that I could and not once did I see him get double teamed and he damn sure wasn't ever triple teamed.

Now please explain to me how running a play towards a player more than you went away from that player is game changing.

Ok and we don't have players too? I'm not trying to turn this into a Sutton vs Spags situation. I'm just pointing out that the same shit people complained about with Sutton, they're ok with with Spags and this Defense so far.

You can choose to not read. Or choose to rebut what I'm saying. Free country.

It was never my position that we were good against the run back then lol. I simply pointed out that the things we didn't like with Sutton, we're now saying it's part of the plan. When teams ran all over us in the past years it's because if how bad our run defense was. But now, people are saying it's because it's part of the game plan to allow it or something else dumb.

Contrarian King doesn't believe half the crap he spews

Sutton was well liked that first year up until the Colts playoff loss. Lots of sacks and turnovers. Defensive TDs out the wazoo. Fans liked that. He soon wore out his welcome, though.

Spags D is so far getting an average amount of sacks and turnovers, and while we still allow the huge 10+ yard gashers, we’re at least much better at stopping shit at the LOS. It has to get better, though.

I wasn't bitching about Sutton in WEEK THREE of his first season. In fact, I maintained for most of last season that it was more about personnel than about Sutton anyway.

It all comes down to this - it's week 3 of the first season of a new staff and all new personnel. Everybody needs to calm the F down.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Sigh. So when can we start discussing games that we've watched so far? I watched game 1, I talked about game 1. I watched game 2, I talked about the first 2 games. I then watched game 3 and I talked about the first 3 games. At no time have I said the defense isn't going to be good at all this year. I'm just talking about what I've seen so far. Just like when I say I think Mahomes is going to be the MVP again and that he's the best player in football by far so far this year, I'm going off what I've seen the past 3 weeks. I don't understand why I can't give praise where I see fit and criticism where I see fit based on what I've seen so far.

I'm not saying it's specifically you but there's a bunch of people here that are already wringing their hands about going to New England and/or the defense not being good enough for the playoffs. That's a LONG ways off.

Furthermore, it's one thing to say that, so far, Frank Clark for example, hasn't played up to expectations. It's another thing altogether to suggest it was a waste of money/picks, he's "trash", or some of the other hyperbole I've seen here over the last couple of weeks.

Respectfully, this premise is incorrect. It does not follow that if 44% of plays are not run at him, therefore 56% of play must be run toward him. In fact, some of those other plays might be pass plays. Clark wasn't on the field for some of those plays. And so on. But the fact that of the plays the Ravens did run, 44% were run away from his side is statistically a huge number.


I readily admit that before listening to the podcast, I didn't know who Mr. Stout was. However, as I understand it, he gets paid to analyze film for the Chiefs. I'm going to believe him before I believe you,. No offense.

I watched the film of the Chiefs-Ravens game twice, and I don't know what you were watching, but Frank is doubled several times during the game. He is also chipped several times. I noticed that at some point during the game Frank starts lining up in different spots. I also noted that he spent some time chasing TEs. Side note: he played those MUCH better than Dee ever did.

Spags is asked about this in his presser, and he acknowledges that he wanted to move him around to try and hamper Baltimore's ability to double him. Spags says that out loud to a room full of reporters. He also says that they're asking Frank to do a lot of things besides rush the passer, and that Clark has been all in on taking up these extra responsibilities, even though they are limiting his chances to actually rush the passer.

Again, no disrespect, but I'm going to go with the word of the Defensive Coordinator over yours.

One of these guys broke down FC's effectiveness against runs to his side, and found that runs against him are averaging less than 2.2 yds/carry. That is statistically significant, and is an exceptional number. And Frank was originally pursued as a run stopper.

The consensus about FC by people that get paid to look at these things so far been that FC has played consistently solid mistake-free, smart football, but that he hasn't posted much in the way of splash plays.

And finally, as I and others have said multiple times, it's only been three weeks. Reggie White had a season when he didn't have a sack for 5 consecutive games. Derrick Thomas had multiple seasons in which he didn't post sacks for multiple games in a row. No one ever said those guys weren't performing to their contracts after three weeks.

Bottom line, Baltimore didn't run at FC more than they did away. The eye test proves that alone. No OC in his right mind would do that.

But I think the most important thing about this whole argument/conversation, is that Frank himself isn't concerned about his numbers. In his post-game locker room interview, you can tell he's happy he got the sack, especially against Lamar, but when asked about his numbers, he just smiles and says he's not interested in stats, just wins. I believe that's telling.

P.S. this week we're facing a far more traditional QB that mostly stays in the pocket, with an ability to scramble. but not run. And the most experienced proven QB we've faced this season. It should give us a better idea of what our 'base' defense should look like. If we can get stops against the run/get a two score lead, we should see FC rushing the passer more than he has up to this point. At least in theory. We'll see how the Lions address this, but we should also see how FC is doing from a physical standpoint. Will he show the power and burst he wowed everyone with last year? How healthy does he look? And so on.

Yeah this talk of how we don't have a chance to beat the Pats because of our D is absurd. I had this feeling last year, and even more this year, that we can't be beat. We have not been out of any games since Patrick Mahomes has started. In Pat's 22 games including the playoffs we haven't lost a game by more than 7 points. That's unbelievable for a team with a good defense, but Pat did it all last year with an absolute trash defense.

People want to act like we can't beat them when our D is clearly better than last year and Our Savior looks even better than last year. So many people act like that D can stop us and we can't stop their offense. People are saying that D is the best the Pats have had because they have shut down 3 teams that are a combined 0-9 to start the season. Here are the points for and points allowed for these 3 trash teams:

Steelers - 49 PF and 85 PA
Dolphins - 16 PF and 123 PA
Jets - 33 PF and 70 PA

That comes out to 98 PF and 278 PA. Good for 10.8 PPG for the offense and 30.9 PPG for the defense. Let's see how the Pats D looks when they play a team that's not a cupcake.

[/QUOTE]Furthermore, it's one thing to say that, so far, Frank Clark for example, hasn't played up to expectations. It's another thing altogether to suggest it was a waste of money/picks, he's "trash", or some of the other hyperbole I've seen here over the last couple of weeks.[/QUOTE]

Im guilty of this. I think he will start to earn it though.

Good post. I hope the defense gets better. It needs to get better. But right now, this team looks like the top of the AFC crop, even with this defense.

Hehe.. FWIW: The Jets, Steelers, and Dolphins have COMBINED for 7 offensive TD's in 9 games. 5 by Pittsburgh!

KC has 12 TD's in 3 games. Against two of the NFL's top defenses.

I don't think people get this. A 'bad day' for this offense is, literally, failing to score 30 or more. We drop 28 and we're disappointed. It's not like playing the Jets and Dolphins.

Mahomes cannot be stopped. Statistically his worst game was against the Jags last year, and Kc moved the ball up and down the field all day against them.

Just a few more minutes for y'all to coordinate your excuses and rationalizations for another ineffective game from Frank Clark.

I'm sure you won't disappoint.

So cut him tomorrow then?

Guy's garbage.

I have not been impressed

What's the excuses for him and the defense this game?

One of these games this guy is going to go off.

Put him on special teams. He’ll fit in there.

He better. But it still won't erase him being a JAG or worse these 4 games.

If both Clark and Jones continue their current play trends for 2019, I'll be disappointed when Clark is here next year and Jones is not.

Don't worry, they'll have one.

They ALWAYS have one.

Special Olympians are graded more harshly than the 5th highest paid defender in football.

I'm sure they ran right a couple times and chipped him here and there. Totally worth it.

Cut the defense, they can't improve

Signing Clark to a huge contract was like if some team signing Demarcus Robinson to a big contract and then wondering why his production drops when he’s away from the Chiefs offense. Sometimes it’s about the system and not the player.

KPass is doing more than Clark, so is Ogbah

whatever person in the front office that works in the analytics department that made a case for Clark to be paid 100 million and a first round pick should be fired immediately.

Held his assignments well today.

Well, he almost had a sack, but let Stafford get away.

LMAO Hopefully this was sarcasm.

I'd hope it'd be obvious given your 5+ years ago schtick.

Chiefs fans waiting for Frank Clark to do anything.

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He is starting to give me a hairlip as well, dirty work plays are fine and all... but a Big Money Balla needs to make a splash once in a while

What's going on in this thread?

Looks worse than Hitchens which is ridiculous

He about had the game winning play and missed a sack in the 4th earlier.

He’s gotta start earning his money, period.

Overpayed? At the moment. Offenses forget he's out there? Dont be divas.

He “set the edge”

But his social media takes are so out standing!!...

Not worth what they shelled out for him, that's for damn sure.

The mega contract is one thing. That I can sorta live with.

Flushing away a 1st round pick? That’s what ****ing sucks.

“But who would they have taken lol no good corners lololol!!!!”

Uhhhh how about ****ing anybody? An extra player on a 1st round contract? An offensive lineman? A reach on one of those so called terrible corners? At least you get an extra developable young player on a long contract!

OK I'm on the bandwagon.

Sign me up. We are one fourth of the way through the season and he still hasn't lived up to his contract. I reserve the right to get off the bandwagon if he tears it up next week.

While we are bitching, it seems like the linebackers are either flat-footed or out of position. They looked really weak today.

0-2, T-A today according to NFL.com

He almost single handedly ended the game on the first hail mary. He blew around a double team like it wasn't even there and was just a fraction of a second slow getting to Stafford.

Hitchens actually had an excellent game. Clark on the other hand has been garbage all season.

So the 100million dollar 1st and 2nd round pick player ALMOST made a play?

I'm just going to say that I wish we could go back in time and not trade for Clark, give Chris Jones that $100 million instead and use that 1st round pick on somebody else.

It would be pretty much the same without Clark and Ogbah or KPass starting there.

Wilson was playing balls out 90% of the game. I don't think LB is the issue.

He almost got another sack. But yeah, didn’t. Stafford shrugged him off. Too easily

Kind of like one day on this thread you might ALMOST stop being a bitch.

I almost hit a royal flush at the casino recently. Should I treat me almost winning the $70k bonus as if I actually did win it?

He used his athleticism on several plays where he was out of position. Yes he is athletic, but the football IQ Is Not Great by a long shot. And the linebackers were not doing a good job of filling the running lanes today.

There were several plays today where Frank Clark was single blocked and no impact.

He looks like he gets overpowered on most plays

He looks small to me. Like Dee his first two seasons

Me too

4 sacks and a team win but let's bitch more about Frank Clark

And you might also almost keep Clark's dick out of your mouth.

Completely agree

Sacksquatch Jones is earning it, and both Ogbah and Okafor have been solid additions

Clark simply has to step up, the talent on paper says we should have a devastating pass rush... dude was constantly single blocked today, watched Hockensen manhandle him twice

If you're going to give up the draft picks we did AND pay a MASSIVE contract, you're expecting a dominant player in return. Let's be honest here -- thus far, and it's still early -- this trade appears to be an absolute disaster.

^

You're an idiot....it has been far from a disaster...not even close

To be fair, the entire defense has some AIDS, except for Big Dick Chris Jones.

Ogbah had a good game today

Also Nandi caused the Stafford fumble.

Exactly. So far, he's been JAG -- not worth either the draft picks or the contract, let alone both. Let's hope his play improves.

He was brought it to replace Dee Ford because of how bad Dee Ford was in run defense. We're the worst run defense in football and it's not even close. Even if you argue that they run away from him, with the picks and money spent on him, we could have gotten more players and shored up both sides of the line and our linebackers so we're not such a liability. But as of now we got worse at pass rushing and worse at run defense replacing Houston and Ford with Clark and okafor.

Clark won some plays when he was single blocked. Should have had this sack.

Gotta make that tackle

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He’s getting paid to be a premier defensive end... he should be winning EVERY play when single blocked and force a double team/opposing offense to adjust their blocking accordingly.