Good ****ing grief

This is pure unadulterated speculation.

You haven't spoken to a single coach, scout, GM, or agent, let alone, have all of their personal information and interviewed them.

I mean come on Dane, you’re more reasonable than this.

Doesn’t matter if they are in the wrong or not. It’s the uncertainty. A smart GM isn’t going to take a risk like that in the first rd.

Too much risk, especially this year

No, it’s making connections based on the information we have.

There are multiple people reporting that NFL teams aren’t concerned and it won’t impact his draft status. What else is there to go by?

Well, I'm certainly more reasonable than you

Lol ok we’ll agree to disagree.

It’s almost always leaked when guys fail drug test, is it not? Why would this be any different? The media has known for a while that there are many other guys that had the same issue and yet we still don’t know most of them?

Why are you acting so oblivious to the unique circumstances of this situation Dane? It’s like you won’t even acknowledge it simply because it refutes your claim.

Is this not a very strange occurrence/coincidence? Can you at least admit that?

Watch us pick a guy we havnt even talked about and we are like wtf Veach you suck blah blah blah then he balls out next year. We call this the Rashad Fenton experience

I read a few teams are viewing OLB Simmons as a Safety in the NFL.

I found that interesting

A DB or LB with our first pick would be nice

You're taking one person's report, who has next to no credibility, and blowing it off.

Jabrill Peppers and Reuben Foster both tested positive for a diluted sample, which sent them tumbling down the 1st round back in 2017.

How have their NFL careers been so far?

Well, hopefully the Fenton Experience over the Breeland Speaks one

NFLN Live Mock this afternoon Kay Adams had the Chiefs picking LSU safety Grant Delpit. He's a long linky ball hawk that that packs a punch in the running game. He reminds me a bit of Eric Berry without the return skills.

Delpit may help us more than Patrick Queen when you consider how often we have a safety in the box. This guy is a lethal blitzer as well. We'd be lucky to get this guy.

I just googled and found the first report I could find to post in here, but I’ve seen multiple. I’m not taking one persons word for it. I’m combining all of the reports, which are consistent, to draw my conclusion that it’s nothing to worry about .

Schefter himself said that “teams don’t believe it will impact his draft status much” among others saying similar things. If Schefter says it, it’s pretty much fact. I don’t think it’s baseless speculation to say that the NFL probably understands that it was a direct result of the changes to the combine and isn’t going to knock all of these guys because of it.

So again, if most teams aren’t concerned, why should we be?

Queen is a really good coverage linebacker tho. Idk much about his run stuffing ability tho. Wilson only has a year left and Ragland is gone. Unless you want Niemann starting we need to find a LB

So what you're implying is that all of the guys that tested positive for a diluted sample drank at least a gallon of water before their weigh-ins, then walked over and provided urine for a urinalysis, which led to the diluted sample.

It takes the human body at least 3 hours to process water into urine, which is why I'm skeptical. And since we've recently seen players like Foster and Peppers drop due to a diluted sample, I don't know how any team can just exonerate a guy because they were tested just after a weigh in, which makes it hard for me to believe that these guys won't drop.

Take him down a peg or two, he needs it

It's vented by other teams so he drops to them, nefarious Bill Belichick type of shit

Oh go **** yourself I’m always nice to you.

I also sent Dane a PM after and apologized because I consider him a buddy on here and we usually get along great.

But since you want to put your 2 cents in, why don’t you do it then pussy? Now I’ll definitely be calling your dumb takes out, so be ready!

What I’m saying is that there was a very unusual amount of diluted samples this year to the point that it’s likely not a coincidence that it coincided with big changes to the combine format.

When people like Schefter are saying that teams aren’t concerned enough for it to impact Baun’s draft status, I’m going to assume there’s truth to that theory/excuse.

Reuben Foster can’t stay healthy or out of (domestic) trouble, and Peppers was always an athlete with no true position. That’s why their careers haven’t gone so well.

dilluted samples can happen without drugs i your system
maybe he had the runs before the test...ask me how i know

LMAO

I still like you, but I’m bringing heat.

It's all good, staylor's a good dude.

Everyone has a bad day now and then, even me. :evil:

No DL or DE. We are set there. Have Clark, Harris, Okafor, Speaks and K Pass.

Whoa :eek:

Take him under your wing and school him up :thumb:

During his three seasons at LSU, Delpit totaled 199 tackles, 17.5 tackles for a loss, 7 sacks, 8 interceptions, 24 pass deflections, and 2 forced fumbles during his career. This past season, Delpit totaled 65 tackles, 4.5 tackles for a loss, 2 sacks, 7 pass deflections, and 1 forced fumble.


I am intrigued

What are our best trade down scenarios?

I think we can wait until the second round but we might have to move up in it to get Clyde Edwards-Helaire. I think he's the perfect fit for this offense.

It's draft week, **** you all right in the ear!!!!!!1

Someone gets a lil Love struck and can't wait.

Just some food for thought

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imagine thinking Andy Reid -- who has never drafted a RB higher than 53 -- is going to trade for Fournette.</p>&mdash; Will Brinson (@WillBrinson) <a href="https://twitter.com/WillBrinson/status/1251982078050254850?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Draft week, can't believe a goddamn thing, front offices would whore out their Mother and Sister to create a diversion

yeah, no.

I believe in smoke and mirrors at this time but NO WAY LF! That would be ridiculous. Praying for a DE or CB or LB best available at this pick. I was WRONG thinking JK Dobbins at this pick - forgive me. We need a lot more than RB in this draft. I was a fool.

I would be very happy with Jeff Gladney at #32. This guy is a tenacious baller.

Never happen.

The Chiefs are paying Okafor and Clark while Kpassognon, Speaks and Demone Harris, who looked good in limited duty after being signed late in the season from the Ravens practice squad, all return in 2020.

Why in the world should the Chiefs use a 1st round pick on a defensive end?

And PS: They don't have jackshit at running back so yes, they need a running back.

I don't know if this is relevant or not but Pat just started following top RB prospect Jonathan Taylor on twitter. I believe he's one of the few guys in the draft that Pat is following which is interesting.

As for Fournette. His rookie season HERE was outstanding imo. He's got power, speed, wiggle etc and is a breakaway threat plus good at getting short yard gains. People are belittling the guy but did yall know he's had two one thousand yards season in his three years in the league? And the season he didn't get a thousand was because he got injured and missed several games that year. With us he'd have empty boxes and I think he would cause mayhem in the backfield tbh.

Also rumors are Dez Bryant could be heading to KC or Dallas after the draft

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We&#39;re getting indications that teams&#39; accelerated investigation of the idea of adding <a href="https://twitter.com/DezBryant?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DezBryant</a> ( <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> ? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cowboys?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cowboys</a> ?) will most likely occur following <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFLDraft?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFLDraft</a> <a href="https://t.co/famZk4034v">pic.twitter.com/famZk4034v</a></p>&mdash; fishsports (@fishsports) <a href="https://twitter.com/fishsports/status/1252025629471576064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Veach is clearly looking at WR

Or, we could draft our own RB and not have to deal with the remaining years of the top 10 draft pick rookie contract. Doing so would give us a RB who doesn't have the demonstrated attitude problems towards his coaches and GM (as big of a piece of shit as Coughlin may be) or the tremendous drop in efficiency and ability when he is fighting through those injuries. Even if Fournette is 100% (too risky to say) there are RBs in this draft that might end up being better than him.

I don't know what kind of troll genius threw out that Fournette idea in the first place, but whoever it is deserves to be kicked square in the balls.

I'm all for drafting a RB early...BUT, Fournette, when healthy, is an absolute nightmare to deal with imo and would be a very decent piece in our offense. Aswell as being a tough runner he also got 500 yards receiving last season too.

Of course Florio is behind this Fournette to KC

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs, whose leading rusher in 2019 had 498 yards, should be at the front of the line for Leonard Fournette <a href="https://t.co/0ZLcpWjrbd">https://t.co/0ZLcpWjrbd</a></p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1251885147336724482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Fournette sucks at pass catching so if he’s in the game defenses know it will be a run play

BJ Kissel is drafting for the Chiefs in a guest mock on the Locked On NFL Draft podcast.


https://i.imgur.com/TkQX8xn.png
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https://i.imgur.com/zMpnIsM.jpg

That’s how the board has fallen. Will be back to let you guys know if he ****ed it up, which I’m sure he will.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Leonard Fournette might actually make the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> offense slightly worse.</p>&mdash; Evan Silva (@evansilva) <a href="https://twitter.com/evansilva/status/1251973944258764800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ick. That board wouldn't be the best for the Chiefs. There isn't even an appetizing QB available for a team to trade up for.

There are certainly suitable options for us, but none of the players I was hoping would drop made it to 32.

I don't love the idea of bringing in Fournette, he's not a perfect fit but he would make us better. I wouldn't give more than a 4th for him, and would prefer to draft our own guy.

We have 5 picks. None of those picks are worth the risks or the cost that Fournette would bring.

Since in this hypothetical situation you’re stuck at 32, it’s another situation that makes it really tempting to say **** you to everybody else and take D’Andre Swift and watch them shit their pants.

But I would probably take Jaylon Johnson, who I’m starting to think is right there with guys like Fulton and Gladney. He’s really ****ing good and a guy I think teams will be higher on than the media.

500 yards receiving last season...which was 300 yards more than Damian Williams and more than what Kareem got in his rookie year.

Kissel went with Xavier McKinney.

Not a bad pick. I’d be alright with that.

Shrager and Daniel Jeremiah has there virtual draft yesterday and that’s who both of them mocked to us

Reid has never drafted a RB above #53. We aren’t drafting a running back in the first round

They didn’t both pick him. Schrager did.

Reid had never won a SB back then...things have changed though.

Honestly guys...anyone who watches THESE Fournette highlights from last season and suggests he wouldn't be an absolute stud in our offense is simply crazy imo. He was electric despite the Jags being so poor.

You give Pat Mahomes and this aerial attack Leonard fricken Fournette go ahead and book your SB tickets right now. Fournette would absolutely ruin the light boxes defenses try to throw at our offense. If Jacksonville is willing to part ways in a fire sale for him we should absolutely be at the front of the line.

Love this pick, my big board for #32 starts with...

McKinney
Queen
Swift
Gladney

Having another bad ass safety to pair with Thornhill that will allow honey badger to do his thing would be amazing

I have this strange suspicion that CJ will be dealt on draft day. Possibly to Miami.

In all the drafts Ive done the only time I kept the first round pick, was when McKinney was available. It always turned out fine the rest of draft. When he wasn’t available, I traded down to an early/mid round 2, and normally an early/ mid 4th. Seemed Like I always ended up with LB,CB,RB, OL, in mixed order, but guys that I had targeted. My final pick was always a tossup between an edge or WR. Plenty of talent available, can’t wait to see who the Chiefs choose!:thumb:

In drafts where I selected McKinney, it made me comfortable not targeting a CB higher. I still selected one I liked, but not near as early.

So then I get ridiculed because I wish for JK Robbins? I have said this all along. Yet, this is out of our control.

Changed my mind from McKinney and think if we go safety itll be Winfield Jr.. Spags told Veach Honey Badger was the one player he had to have in free agency. First minute or so of the below video Winfield Jr. Said he models his game after Mathieu. Have to think Spags would love his versatility. Honey Badger and Winfield Jr. would both be interchangeable pieces that could play all over the secondary.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z4biO39aP8k&t=90s

I doubt McKinney is there at 32 when the Chiefs are on the clock, but if he is, then he will be on this team over anybody else left in the draft. He's going to be a stud, unfortunately I see him drafted in the 10-15 range.

Not happening. Many people think a safety won’t even be selected in the 1st (Simmons = LB).

How many of these people were wrong in years past? Be prepared to be shocked, because he will be gone before 32.

McKinney will be a 1st rounder. He’s a better DB than most corners in this class. I expect he goes off the board between 15-25.

Yeah, I think that's where Chris Simms had him as well.

I’m saying he won’t go in the top 10-15 picks.

I definitely think he will be picked before us, just pointing out the difference in his range. He could just as easily end up in the 2nd because somebody prefers Delpit, Chinn, or Winfield.

Initially I typed 15-20 range, but I still feel a team will pull the trigger earlier, no sense of arguing 5 spots when my main point is that he will gone by 32.

I’m getting a Grant Delpit vibe tonight.

I've been saying that for a while.

If it really fell that way, you are basically choosing between Epenesa, McKinney, Winfield and Swift.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nfl</a> has informed all teams that for the first time in draft history, they will “stop the clock” if teams exceed the time allotment to allow for trades that are in the process of being completed. The <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nfl</a> is smartly preparing for potential tech challenges.</p>&mdash; Mike Tannenbaum (@RealTannenbaum) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealTannenbaum/status/1251541015770562560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Isn't that awfully nice of them?

Very smart if you want to keep trades going (and the excitement of them). Otherwise, we’d probably see less trades than usual.

Couldn't it also be that agents/reps/players knew that the dilluted sample wouldn't be taken as a positive test and as such players decided to 'cycle' differently?

The spike in diluted samples (presuming there is one) could just as easily be due to a series of volitional acts that came about as a result of the new rules on drug testing, no? If anything it's more likely, given the ridiculous amount of water one has to consume to dilute a sample. The idea that the new combine format somehow created a wave of these guys slamming enough water immediately before their weight in to create a bunch of dilute tests seems a little odd.

At best I could see some odd quirk where guys decided to chug water right before their weigh in in order to jump their 'tested' weight up and appear to be bigger on their official weight. And if you conduct a drug test shortly thereafter, you'll have guys who are trying to 'goose' their weigh in popping as dilute. That would be pretty benign I suppose. Though when you think about it - it's not impossible to slam a gallon of water, especially these bigger boys. That's 8 extra pounds of weight on their weigh in - that's not insignificant.

Ultimately I just don't think you can hand-waive it as obviously some kind of benign explanation, though. It's also a possibility that there were simply more guys willing to stay on a cycle to get their combine numbers boosted (because I think there are a TON of dudes who cycle on/off PEDs), dilute the sample knowing it wouldn't' count as a positive, and move forward.

It's some stupid Florio bullshit.

My Yahoo app popped up "Chiefs should trade for Fournette" and I was struck by macabre curiosity. Then I saw it was a Florio article and didn't bother to read any further.

Fournette would absolutely make the team worse. He made the Jags offense worse. He's a horrid fit but of course some idiot mouthbreather thinks "Hey, the Chiefs can throw so obviously they need a banger back!!"

Because...idiot.

I like McKinney well enough.

But not enough to pass on Epenesa on that board.

I really do love his fit as the strong-side DE on this team. He's absolutely perfect for that role and you've got a probable 10 year player on your hands there. He's just so damn solid.