It is for Ubeja.

What are YOU watching? LMAO.

Ok, go ahead and explain to us why Veach and Reid chose CEH over this can't miss, star prospect in Taylor. Why did Mahomes want him over Taylor?

Go. Explain to us all why he's still on the board.

Sorry but it just doesn't work that way, the guy runs a 4.60. Taylor a 4.38.

And that matters because?

I guess you think Veach and Reid don't take into consideration speed when drafting players?

Is that what you're going to go with? That they just overlooked that guy and his blazing, game breaking speed because they don't know how to evaluate fast guys? They just didn't do their homework on Taylor or something?

LMAO

Jfc.

Do you really think 40 time matters that much for a rb?

Not to mention that the 4.6 is an unofficial time. Would you be less of a bitch about it if he ran a 4.52?


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Holmes ran a 4.7 40 time.

LSU used CEH in the passing game, something that interests the Chiefs, get this kid out space with ball in hand. And it makes all the sense in the world.

I just think Taylor is the better RB and so far his production has proven that.

A 220 pound RB with 4.3 speed who scored 60 TD's rushed for over 6000 yards in three seasons and ya can't use him.....huh?

This is why taking Watson over Mahomes was a no-brainer in 2017.

Williams is a Hall of fame running back if you just count the playoffs

This ****ing guy, I love him!!

So when do we stop with this?

Taylor is bigger, more powerful, gained far more NCAA yards, ran a far faster 40, scored far more TD;s.

So what are we going with?

It’s entirely possible both backs will be good. Veach and Reid just felt CEH is a better fit for their offense.

Wasn't CEH's 40 time a beat up injured CEH running far slower than normal?

Look at the tape his 10 speed is phenomenal. Taylor will never put up the numbers CEH will and if he does I think he'll be Larry Johnson and hit a wall. Lots of tread on those tires.

They are both starting from scratch in the NFL. We'll see. Both are likely to be good in their own ways.

Helaire will be a Marshall Faulk, Curtis Martin, Brian Westbrook type of player. Taylor is more of a straight-up the middle, Adrian Peterson type back.

Helaire has traits that far better fit KC's offense though, no matter what shit you spit out today.

Well no shit. CEH only started one season LMAO.

Your obsession over college stats and a 40 yard dash is odd. It's literally all you've based your assessment on.

Yes. This is well-known.

Apparently that was the case.

To ignore.

Taylor

yards 6581
average per touch 6.8
td 55

CEH

2698
6.1
24

You had to be into....your scheme.

Scout on Taylor, not even mentioning his EIGHTEEN ****ING FUMBLES

One did this in the Big10. The other in the SEC.

How many defensive players from the SEC were drafted last night? How many from the Big10?

RB is a TOUGH row to hoe in the FAC, though.

Henry, Chubb and Jacobs were probably the 3 most productive 'pure' runners in the NFL last year. Ingram will get love because of his offensive system, Mack and Mixon are strong players in their own right and Devin Singletary is gonna be real good.

There are 3 RBs in the pro bowl each year, right? You think in the next 4 years he will pass 5 of those guys twice? Write off next year because I'd be shocked if he's not in a fairly heavy rotation w/ Williams.

I mean, it's not impossible like it would be in the NFC w/ Saquon, Elliott and McCaffrey having that stuff on lock with Cook and Kamara in reserve, but man - it'll be awfully tough.

I'd be surprised if he made a single pro bowl over those 4 years, let alone 2. He just doesn't have time, opportunity or name recognition on his side. Unless he truly DOES become Kareem Hunt in 2021, it seems pretty unlikely. And if he does - well damn, I'd hate to lose that 5th year option in the process of winning 2 more SB rings...

Ultimately few guys are playing on the 5th year anymore anyway. I like to have it because it provides valuable leverage in extension discussions, but when extending a RB isn't a great idea anyway, that leverage matters less and less.

No it's not, I look at that total package, Taylor is bigger, faster and more productive. Simply facts,

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Hope Paul Rudd hears about this.

Why bother with him? It's like trying to explain trigonometry to a potato.

ROFL

i put nothing into that, tell that to Jerry Rice out of,............Mississippi Valley State,

Again - Taylor is a 1-cut guy.

He would almost certainly be a better player than CEH in a system where you played mostly conventional 11 personnel from under center (or with a FB).

But Taylor DOESN'T play a style that translates as well to a shotgun running game. To maximize Taylor here we'd have to modify some of our sets and in so doing, we WON'T be maximizing Mahomes, Hill, Kelce at Watkins anymore.

Meanwhile CEH, because of his style of running and his ability to read/setup gaps, can fit seamlessly into this particular system and we get an upgrade at running back while maintaining a system that maximizes the best player in football and an array of weapons.

This....doesn't seem difficult.

I know it's a small deal in the grand scheme of things. But I can't hear the name Darwin Thompson without thinking about him trying to toss the ball away after recovering Sorensona strip vs houston.

Dudes a decent runner but not sure he was grasping the offense. Chiefs looked terrified about putting him in pass pro.

He's bigger, faster in a straight line, but not game breaking fast. Not elite fast. 4.4 fast. Not 4.28 fast. And he certainly doesn't play to his timed speed.

He's not quicker. He doesn't have the repertoire of moves CEH has. He doesn't have CEH's lateral agility, explosion or vision. CEH has shown more power in his game than Taylor has. And Taylor's production came in a lesser conference. Facts.

Oh, one more fact: CEH was drafted by the SB winning Chiefs, who liked him more than Taylor. Taylor isn't a day 1 pick. FACT.

If he took the wonderlic his score would be potato.

Explaining taking a smaller, slower, less productive RB because he caught more passes, oh hell yes:rolleyes:

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None of us with brains ever considered Taylor an option, it's why he wasn't discussed at all.

Who said anything was difficult, the Chiefs want to use a first round pick on a RB to catch passes. I got it.

BUT.....Taylor will prove to be the better RB.

Kareem Hunt would have made two Pro Bowls in his first two seasons, so yeah, I think there's a high probability that he will, especially considering there are alternates, too.

Would Taylor’s 900+ college carries bother anyone?

You're right. I can't believe the Chiefs' Front Office (Reid, Bienemy, Veach, McCullough, Hunt, Pat, etc.) ****ed this up so badly. How could they not see exactly what you are saying? It's so freaking simple!

That coming from a guy thinking....

Take the 5-8 208 4.6 less productive guy over the bigger faster more productive guy.

:rolleyes:

You've basically listed all the reasons priest Holmes shouldn't be good. I would have been fine with the Dobbins pick too. But man, CEH is as good if not probably a better runner but he blows them away as a receiver.

I don't want to shit on Taylor. Taylor, to me, is Josh Jacobs but better. And had he returned for his senior season he'd have rewritten the NCAA record books (after setting them on fire and pissing on the ashes - he'd have wrecked records). The only guy to do anything approaching what Taylor did in 3 seasons is Herschel Walker and Walker was 1,000 yards behind him.

Taylor's college career was remarkable.

But he just wasn't the right fit here. I don't understand why that's so difficult for a couple of people to understand. Had we gone a different route in round 1 and Taylor were still there somehow in round 2, I'd have absolutely grabbed him and found a way to incorporate his strengths into the offense (he'd probably end up a better version of what we have in Williams; we know it can be done).

But being a great player doesn't mean he'd have been the best player here.

With the expanded rosters beyond 53, he might stick around. Maybe that 2nd year is enough time for him to not be quite AS stupid, and he'll actually be able to contribute some?

At the very least, I hope this has been enough time for him to study up on the rules of advancing the football on turnovers.

Okay you need to be banned from the thread you aren't even listening

Bigger isn't as important in our offense.

Faster isn't as important as quickness and playing in space.

And any capable every down RB who can also play WR is a goddamn cheat code with kcs offense.

Oh, and he won't fumble the damn ball.

LMAO @ a guy thinking college stats are important to evaluating talent and projecting to the pros.

Quick, someone get this guy Tim Tebow!

And that Patrick Mahomes guy, he's a loser! He never won anything in college!

Dude, don’t be a hater. JT brings a lot to the table, but 18 fumbles can’t be ignored, neither can the fact that CEH is the best pass catching HB in this draft-Which fits Andy Reid’s offense ideally. CEH is a better fit for us. We have a bad ass QB, who passes a lot. CEH gives us a weapon in the passing game AND the running game. It’s just that simple.

I can see Ubeja Vontell actually being Kevin Kietzman pretending to be black to get more cred

In other words......look guy we wanted the smaller slower less productive RB because he can probably help us better in the passing game, don't question it.

So I need to just agree?

Even if he DOES run 4.6, it doesn't matter. We need a chain mover, not a guy who's going to score 60-yard TDs.

This offense needs a guy to hit singles and doubles, not a home-run hitter.

Mahomes can go yard at any time. What he does need, is more guys on base.

CEH is a better runner between the tackles.

Or as Veach said, the BEST in this draft class at running between the tackles.

Yeah, im kind of forced to shit on Taylor to argue with Ubeja. I do think Taylor is a good back.

But i won't sit here and pretend like CEH isn't a better runner between the tackles. He just is. It's not JUST about his ability in the passing game. He's a better pure runner too.

Barry Sanders 5-8.

Emmitt Smith 5-9"

#Toosmall /Ubeja

Ok, cool!

I just think if a team spends that first round pick on a RB you go with the best out there, that is Jonathan Taylor.

I have him on ignore but he's like coronavirus and you all keep spreading him.

Don't talk to me. You're impossible and I don't have time for it.

Ray Rice - 5'8.

Maurice Jones-Drew - 5'7

Any character concerns with CEH?

He won’t kick any girls in hotel hallways will he?

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No but if you try to rob him he'll shoot your ass.

Compare what those two did at the NCAA level vs CEH.

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No but he did kill a man

no pressure lol

So... it's, look. only my opinion matters got it.......hahaha!!!!!!!!!

charles gon b mad

No, he's actually saying your opinion doesn't matter.

Holy shit you're dense.

I feel bad for Darwin. He asked Jamaal if he could wear it and he said yes than t got moved to Shady when he got here now it goes to AstroClyde. Feel bad for him

Nah - just gonna put you on ignore instead.

You're just...boring.

Have fun repeating yourself and shouting into the darkness.

Not much conversation on him the entire way. Literally nobody saw him as a fit for KC's offense. Dobbins and Swift were the only other real considerations by most early.

Taylor is absolutely no slouch, but he puts the ball on the ground too often, isn't a great receiver, and doesn't have the short-area agility to bounce and cut back that you'd love from an outside zone runner. I think you put him in Baltimore, Detroit, Jacksonville, Miami, New England, Pittsburgh, Washington, and teams like that where he's in more of a power scheme and is asked to be purely a one-cut runner, he's gonna eat well. I think he's a 1300 yd back, consistently.

Just watched the kid interviewed after the pick.
What a good kid.

He went undrafted because of the stopwatchers.

Love those debating skills guy......look agree with me, or else......hahaha!!!!!

I will say this: our rivals, and other teams (ahem Ravens), see how important it is to get coverage help in the middle of the field on Kelce. That’s why Denver tried to trade up to get Queen and Baltimore ultimately selected him.

Teams want a 6 DB concept or a strong coverage backer. Just like the 49ers and other teams trying cover 3 on us with the most success.

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CEH destroys that gameplan. And that’s probably a huge reason why we got him. You can’t run cover 3 with a back that can destroy you up the middle or as a receiver.

Look people, the bottom line is win football games.

Jonathan Taylor scored...21....rushing TD's last season, in his last two seasons he has gained over 4000 yards....4000 YARDS!!!!!

**** it, just watch what happens next season and the career.

DONE~~~~~~~~~~~

Awesome, and he prolly doesn’t even know Rudd’s a huge Chiefs fan LMAO

Sorry for that.

I looked into it more deeply and I found that apparently what happened is that he was put on my ignore five years ago and no one ever told him, but through some kind of glitch in the posting department, I can still view his posts.

So I just fixed the glitch, so it will just work itself out naturally.

He was also 5'9 on his tippy toes.

"Too small and too slow" amirite?

Just don’t take his Swingline...

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Pat asks for a running back and he gets it

Rodgers asks for some help and they draft his replacement

Kid seems pretty savvy.