Originally Posted by Protocal69 (Post 15494427)

See keep living in the past. That would be like me assuming the Radiers was going to beat your ass the in the second meeting like they did in the 1st. See how that works

Lot of talk from a team that won by 9pts in the last meeting with the Bills on a game clinching FG the Defending Super Bowl Champs

Originally Posted by Protocal69 (Post 15494427)

See keep living in the past. That would be like me assuming the Radiers was going to beat your ass the in the second meeting like they did in the 1st. See how that works

Lot of talk for a team that won by 9pts in the last meeting with the Bills on a game clinching FG

Originally Posted by Protocal69 (Post 15494427)

See keep living in the past. That would be like me assuming the Radiers was going to beat your ass the in the second meeting like they did in the 1st. See how that works

Lot of talk for a team that won by 9pts in the last meeting with the Bills on a game clinching FG

Originally Posted by Protocal69 (Post 15494427)

See keep living in the past. That would be like me assuming the Radiers was going to beat your ass the in the second meeting like they did in the 1st. See how that works

Lot of talk for a team that won by 9pts in the last meeting with the Bills on a game clinching FG

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15494439)

ROFL

You and your troll kin have brought up the Raiders game dozens of times.

We'e already explained to you how this game will be different from the first, and how the matchups in the first will change in this game.

You're simply not listening.

Enjoy the loss on Sunday. Don't break too many tables.

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 15494395)

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15494430)

Who's #1?

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 15494434)

FYP

Originally Posted by Protocal69 (Post 15494454)

I really hope the chiefs players feel like they are going to win just because 'We are the defending Super Bowl Champs'

That aint going to cut it on Sunday.

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 15494420)

You only had 1 1,000 yard receiver on your team. Sorry

Originally Posted by Protocal69 (Post 15494454)

I really hope the chiefs players feel like they are going to win just because 'We are the defending Super Bowl Champs'

That aint going to cut it on Sunday.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15494461)

Rounding up seems to be one of the biggest issues with this fan base.

Round up to 1000 yards, round up to a 12 game win streak, round up to wanting it more, round up to Allen being an MVP candidate, etc, etc...

Originally Posted by Protocal69 (Post 15494454)

I really hope the chiefs players feel like they are going to win just because 'We are the defending Super Bowl Champs'

That aint going to cut it on Sunday.

Originally Posted by Protocal69 (Post 15494454)

I really hope the chiefs players feel like they are going to win just because 'We are the defending Super Bowl Champs'

That aint going to cut it on Sunday.

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 15494466)

You realize every "tough" opponent has been behind at least by double digits to the Chiefs, right? Most were 20 plus until a few garbage time scores...like the Bills game

Originally Posted by Protocal69 (Post 15494454)

I really hope the chiefs players feel like they are going to win just because 'We are the defending Super Bowl Champs'

That aint going to cut it on Sunday.

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 15494466)

You realize every "tough" opponent has been behind at least by double digits to the Chiefs, right? Most were 20 plus until a few garbage time scores...like the Bills game

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15494461)

Rounding up seems to be one of the biggest issues with this fan base.

Round up to 1000 yards, round up to a 12 game win streak, round up to wanting it more, round up to Allen being an MVP candidate, etc, etc...

Originally Posted by Protocal69 (Post 15494454)

I really hope the chiefs players feel like they are going to win just because 'We are the defending Super Bowl Champs'

That aint going to cut it on Sunday.

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 15494359)

Mahomes toe looks pretty darn good in that live video...

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15494497)

I don't think week 6 has much bearing on what happens Sunday, that was months ago.

But I still don't think Buffalo has the horses on D.

Originally Posted by Protocal69 (Post 15494493)

Guy missed last game with injury and if you think 33 yards from a 1,000 yards makes a difference in the talent then you are the one that's reaching not me

Originally Posted by anaheimkcfan (Post 15494480)

who was the last decent QB the bills have played against? mr.unlimited? kyler?

bc it appears the blowouts they rave about are against lock, the corpse of cam, and tua who dgaf by the last game of the season

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15494536)

The Bills had what I'd consider a good schedule... they beat a few playoff teams, lost to a couple, and swept the 10-win Dolphins, and throw in a couple of 8-win wins. They have a win and a loss against divisional round teams in the regular season.

The Chiefs had a great schedule, 4-0 against divisional round teams and 2-0 against conference championship teams.

They love to talk Strength of Victory, but it's like the difference between beating top 10 CFB teams or beating Alabama. The Bills proved they can beat the Oklahomas and Notre Dames of the world, while the Chiefs were beating the very few Alabamas out there.

Originally Posted by Protocal69 (Post 15494493)

Guy missed last game with injury and if you think 33 yards from a 1,000 yards makes a difference in the talent then you are the one that's reaching not me

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15494561)

Well, you all have been talking about point differential, "not beating the Falcons by enough", scores against common opponents, strength of victory, having all of the momentums, "wanting it more", "12 game win streak had they not lost that one game", and many other pointless stats and thoughts that have been shoved down our throats.

Nitpicking about 33 yards doesn't seem all that unreasonable in comparison to the Skip Bayless level of drivel we've read so far this week.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15494571)

LMAO

A door-to-door insurance salesman just walked into my office and saw my Chiefs sweater.

I just got done illustrating and explaining what a brachial stun is.

We're all brachial stun experts now.

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 15494524)

Rex Ryan has entered the chat....

Originally Posted by Reroka (Post 15494569)

Veron butler was DNP today\
Diggs limited as well

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15494585)

Diggs limited with what?

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15494585)

Diggs limited with what?

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15494585)

Diggs limited with what?

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15494590)

Doesn’t really matter. Pretty sure he was limited before the Ravens game and was fine.

Originally Posted by Reroka (Post 15494588)

at practice today,.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15494600)

LMAO Obviously. I meant with what. Still the oblique or something else.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15494600)

LMAO Obviously. I meant with what. Still the oblique or something else.

Originally Posted by Reroka (Post 15494597)

Good point,

But that DT Butler as a DNP wont help the bill, that's going to hurt a little.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15494532)

You don't think that the fact the Bills sold out to stop the pass and yet gave up 250 yards rushing and 21 completions on 25 attempts is going to factor in to the upcoming game?

I can guarantee you the Bills defensive coaches don't agree with you at all.

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15494594)

L'Jarius Sneed up his ass all night.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15494623)

Nah, I don't think previous matchups really make much difference once we get to this point. Look at Saints Bucs. Last years Titans Chiefs games etc.

It's something to go off for sure, but in terms of it being much of a predictor, I dunno.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15494585)

Diggs limited with what?

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 15494630)

Oblique suffered from a belly to back suplex off the bed of a Nissan Frontier in the lot post game

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15494628)

A predictor, no. Not really.

Part of the game planning? Absolutely.

But that all being said, the way in which the Chiefs beat them does lend context to the upcoming game. The way the Bills played worked for other teams but it didn't work for the Bills. They gave up 250 yards rushing and still allowed Mahomes an 80% completion percentage.

That's relevant to the upcoming game because the Bills are really caught in a vice. They either have to radically change their defensive game plan and hope it doesn't implode or they have to repeat what they did before and hope that it works this time.

All they really have is hope.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15494637)

If it were in week say, 15 or something, I'd put more weight on it.

Being so long ago, teams change so much. They'll get some stuff from it of what to or not do, but in the end, it's gonna come down to the same thing every team has to do.

You can't play this bullshit "run and keep the ball away" thing because the Chiefs are gonna score. It doesn't matter what you do. So you've gotta outscore them.

If Josh Allen plays an MVP level game, it'll be a good close game. If he doesn't they'll lose.

Originally Posted by joethomas (Post 15494738)

If we are at full power this should be a comfortable win. If we're missing Breeland and Watkins and others here and there, I think it will be close.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15494690)

Are you a closet Bills fan?

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15494743)

Both of them practiced today.

Also, apparently Watkins is due a $1.25M bonus if he plays in 50% of the snaps and they win.

So he's going to play.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15494749)

No, not really.

I just think they're alot better than they were in week 6.

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 15494330)

Best defenses I've seen vs Patrick Mahomes are probably the Chargers & 49ers. That of course requires you to manufacture a pass rush using 4 down lineman named...Bosa, Ingram, Buckner & Bosa. Good Luck.

You have to get pressure by not sacrificing people in coverage. You bring a blitz & you are dead meat.

The combination of Mahomes, Andy Reid as a play designer and caller, and the Chiefs WR's makes the Chiefs nearly impossible to cover. This season, defenses have hoped to prevent the big passing play by using two deep safeties. It is the best way to slow down the Chiefs offense that I've seen. Buffalo kept two deep and a light box up front in order to dare the Chiefs to run. The Chiefs obliged but the Bills couldn’t stop them on the ground. The Chargers were able to use that deep coverage and add on with four-man pressures that allowed for more coverage on the second level. And just by keeping the game close, that still left a chance for the Chiefs to pull away at the end of the game for wins.

The coverage aren’t so much about if the Chiefs will beat the defense but more so how the Chiefs will beat the defense. That’s the problem with stopping the Chiefs offense, solving one problem creates another. This is incredibly oversimplified, but Tyreek Hill has been able to feast on single-high coverage and when the Chiefs face two-high safeties, it’s time for Travis Kelce. Pick your poison.

Even the best corners in the league haven’t been able to hold up and few safeties have the range to get from the middle of the field over to the sideline in order to catch Hill on the outside. Take the Tampa Bay game when the Buccaneers tried to run their typical defense, but even Carlton Davis, who had played like one of the better corners in the league, could only do so much in man coverage. He repeatedly got burned in the first quarter. Hill had six receptions on seven targets for 188 yards and three touchdowns against single-high coverages in that game.

Kelce’s ability to work the intermediate middle of the field when the safeties are playing deep has been a huge part of the Kansas City passing game this season and a big reason why he has had the greatest season by a TE in NFL history as teams have been employing the 2-high tactic. Between Reid's route concepts and Kelce’s run after the catch ability, he’s been one of the more productive receivers after the catch.

For as much as defenses have tried to vary game plans against the Chiefs, the best defense this year has been an offense able to keep up. That’s how the Raiders gave the Chiefs their lone loss with Mahomes.

Buffalo might still present the most interesting test as a team that figured out how to slow down the offense, but couldn’t stop the run when they dared the Chiefs to do it. But since that game, the Bills’ run defense has improved, which could limit the damage done on the ground, though it’s no guarantee the Chiefs would give in to the light boxes again. But the Bills’ pass defense has also improved after a rough start and on its best day, the Buffalo offense has the ability to put up points.

Still, we’re talking about everything breaking just right for a team to defend and hang with the Chiefs. It’s not impossible, but even without blowing teams away, Kansas City has made it as hard as possible to take them down.

Good Luck!

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15494623)

Nah, I don't think previous matchups really make much difference once we get to this point. Look at Saints Bucs. Last years Titans Chiefs games etc.

It's something to go off for sure, but in terms of it being much of a predictor, I dunno.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15494628)

A predictor, no. Not really.

Part of the game planning? Absolutely.

But that all being said, the way in which the Chiefs beat them does lend context to the upcoming game. The way the Bills played worked for other teams but it didn't work for the Bills. They gave up 250 yards rushing and still allowed Mahomes an 80% completion percentage.

That's relevant to the upcoming game because the Bills are really caught in a vice. They either have to radically change their defensive game plan and hope it doesn't implode or they have to repeat what they did before and hope that it works this time.

All they really have is hope.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15494637)

If it were in week say, 15 or something, I'd put more weight on it.

Being so long ago, teams change so much. They'll get some stuff from it of what to or not do, but in the end, it's gonna come down to the same thing every team has to do.

You can't play this bullshit "run and keep the ball away" thing because the Chiefs are gonna score. It doesn't matter what you do. So you've gotta outscore them.

If Josh Allen plays an MVP level game, it'll be a good close game. If he doesn't they'll lose.

Originally Posted by mililo4cpa (Post 15494763)

Bills fans seem to be ignoring these factors, and simply think that "playing better" equates to "these problems have gone away"......news flash: They haven't gone away just because Bills fans want them too

Originally Posted by mililo4cpa (Post 15494763)

Additionally, Bills fans seem to think that "We can win a shootout....", and maybe they can. But they ignore that they are very one dimensional no differently than the Ravens are one dimension. Both are exceptional in the one dimension they thrive at (Bills passing / Ravens running), but if a team can stop that one dimension, they are sitting ducks.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15494758)

I'm just teasing you. You basically repeated everything they've been saying verbatim.

By the way, do you think the Chiefs are better than they were in week 6? I mean they blew the doors off of the Bucs and beat the Saints, both on the road.

Does Buffalo have even one win like that over the past 6-7 weeks?

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15494786)

I think Josh Allen is playing alot better now than he was then. Whether he can do it Sunday, I dunno. He's never done it on this stage before, so until he does, I'd lean no.

Honestly, for me, this years season didn't really show me anything about KC that I didn't know.

When they show up and give a shit and are locked in, they're double digits better than anyone. As long as Andy and Mahomes are here, they're contenders (favorites) in the AFC.

Ho hum 14 wins later, I feel the same way I felt in September.

Originally Posted by mililo4cpa (Post 15494763)

Bills fans seem to be ignoring these factors, and simply think that "playing better" equates to "these problems have gone away"......news flash: They haven't gone away just because Bills fans want them too

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15494801)

Yeah, we talked all week about the Browns having no answer for Kelce, and they had no answer for Kelce.

The fun part leading up to every game is reading and listening to all of the theories on the match ups and then seeing if the team figured it out (or if the other team failed to execute on it).

Browns fans brought some of that to the table and were very aware of their team's weaknesses and possible ways they might cover for them, and what they would need to exploit the Chiefs' weaknesses (and if they could).

This week it's "we're different than week 6". Okay..... so, they won't play exactly like they did in week 6. Duh.. It would be nice to get a bit deeper on their theories with a shred of awareness when it comes to their strengths and weaknesses outside of "Josh Allen is MVP".

Originally Posted by mililo4cpa (Post 15494763)

the problem is the Bills don't have the guns to get to Mahomes with their down four. So, they have a few options:

1. Play back in soft zone, like they did in the first game. We just saw what happens in a game when teams play that soft zone (i.e. Browns game, and Bills don't have a Myles Garrett). Of course, we also have first hand experience with this in the first Bills game

2. Play more aggressive and more blitzing: I mentioned this a few posts above.....this exponentially magnifies the impact of Hill and Kelce on the Bills D (as you mention in your post). Your quote of "solving one problem creates others" is spot on!

Bills fans seem to be ignoring these factors, and simply think that "playing better" equates to "these problems have gone away"......news flash: They haven't gone away just because Bills fans want them too

Additionally, Bills fans seem to think that "We can win a shootout....", and maybe they can. But they ignore that they are very one dimensional no differently than the Ravens are one dimension. Both are exceptional in the one dimension they thrive at (Bills passing / Ravens running), but if a team can stop that one dimension, they are sitting ducks.

And much like Bills fans are ignoring the problems I outlined above, they are also ignoring that the Strength of the Chiefs D lines up VERY WELL with the one Dimension the Bills O operates in. The Chiefs Defense is more than capable of taking that one dimension away, or at a minimum enough to capitalize on the sever mismatches the Chiefs offense prevents for the Bills Defense

And at the end of the day, this is the football discussion that all these Bills guys really don't want to have, well, because they can't answer it.

Again, none of this guarantees the Chiefs win.....certainly the Bills are explosive enough and sometimes the balls bounce a funny way, and other times, unexpected things happen.....Any given Sunday right!

But when it comes to both teams bringing their "A" games, there is way too many "what ifs" to expect the Bills to win. I think if the Chiefs play their game, eliminate turnovers, and have everyone healthy, they win, and not even a particularly close game at that.....

Just my $.02

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15494819)

Great breakdown. I think a BIG part of the huge disconnect is how the Chiefs secondary is perceived outside of Kansas City.

People look at raw yardage and remember that 2018 pass D, that was shredded repeatedly.

They don't realize that Spagnuolo's scheme and the talent brought in has drasticaly changed the pass D from a huge weakness to a major strength.

It's not just Sneed being undervalued, either (though he is, drastically). It's also that Ward got some experience and played a lot better, that Breeland is rock solid, that Fenton was a gem of a find last year, that Mathieu is a star and major upgrade, and that Sorenson has been used more appropriately, and that Thornhill has major talent.

I love how physical all these corners are. They fight through WR screens. They hold their edges. Tough.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15494790)

Who has he played though?

He put up all of those numbers against a lot of mediocre defenses.

If you look at his game logs, he was actually much better at the very beginning of the season, and against some actual competition like the Rams.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/game...298/josh-allen

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15494834)

The Chiefs d could be better in the redzone, but yards don't matter. You aren't gonna just lock down teams in today's league.

Everyone looks at the Chiefs run D all thru the year then we get to the playoffs and they actually care about stopping the run and poof, teams struggle to really run it on them.

No one learns. Oh well.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 15494819)

Great breakdown. I think a BIG part of the huge disconnect is how the Chiefs secondary is perceived outside of Kansas City.

People look at raw yardage and remember that 2018 pass D, that was shredded repeatedly.

They don't realize that Spagnuolo's scheme and the talent brought in has drasticaly changed the pass D from a huge weakness to a major strength.

It's not just Sneed being undervalued, either (though he is, drastically). It's also that Ward got some experience and played a lot better, that Breeland is rock solid, that Fenton was a gem of a find last year, that Mathieu is a star and major upgrade, and that Sorenson has been used more appropriately, and that Thornhill has major talent.

I love how physical all these corners are. They fight through WR screens. They hold their edges. Tough.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15494838)

Can only play who you play. I dont' really care about "who played who" stuff, same as with the Chiefs only "winning by one score". I watched him with my eyes, play very well.

If he plays like he did against Baltimore, Chiefs beat them by 2 scores.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15494841)

Exactly.

The Browns were "scary" leading up to the game. Hunt and Chubb were going to destroy the KC defense.

They both averaged 5.3ypc which is really freaking good but you can't run the ball enough when you're down 19 -3 at halftime.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15494847)

Pretty much.

Run all you want against Kc. If you have a few bad runs, Chiefs get a stop and you don't score, KC will go score and you'll be behind.

You can't "run it and keep it away" from KC. You have to outscore them.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15494202)

Get raped by dolphins?

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15494846)

The quality of the competition absolutely matters, man.

I just don't understand how you could dismiss it. That sounds just like Bills fans.

Football doesn't happen in a vacuum.

Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 15494849)

That map sucks. Donk country isn’t cheering for the Chiefs. And Minnesota isn’t favoring GB.