Sorry. Give me CHRIS JONES over a guy that can't hike the ****ing ball. Veach has a whole draft to find another center.

He has always been a low snapper to some degree from the start of his career, but what I have noticed is they get lower when he is going against stud d-lines.

In a sense very much like a WR or RB who "almost" takes his eyes off the ball while still making the catch but the catch was not smooth. Creed is almost getting to his block first before making sure his QB gets the ball. This is what I see.

I started to wonder towards the end of the season, maybe the low snaps is a strategy to try and fool the defense so maybe they would be distracted by it (thinking maybe it's a fumble) and leave their guy open. Because it has happened a lot and Creed is such a good center.

Am I thinking with my heart when I want the chiefs to bring in Jason Kelce next season?

Creeds snaps have been garbage much of the season.

Really struggled today

Obviously you have never managed the cap or played the game let alone "know the history" of FA d-linemen who finally get paid and then disappear afterwards. You NEVER get your $$ worth from a d-lineman who gets paid and is almost a 1/3 of your cap. You can't justify that as much as I love Chris and want to keep him.

The center is what a catcher is too baseball. Smart, calling the protections and keeping everyone else on the line squared away as well while protecting up the middle for our franchise QB. Creed is ESSENTIAL and elite centers are not a dime a dozen. Chris is generational no doubt but not worth a 1/3rd of your cap.

With how this offense runs it is a huge concern.

It's not like our interior run-blocking has been consistently outstanding, either.

I want KC to keep Humphrey for a long time, it would be nice to extend our center finally after letting our last two stud centers walk. I’m sure his snaps are correctable.

Love this guy but… If one of those snaps cost us the game he will have been run out of town on a rail… This is inexcusable… ****ing fix this shit..

Thankfully it ultimately never truly cost us.

And now he’s got an entire offseason to correct the issue.

It will cost us eventually if he doesn't fix it. Frankly, for the money he's probably about to get paid, HE NEEDS TO FREAKING FIX IT!

Does anyone have an explanation as to what has gone wrong?

Did he bulk up and now he has less coordination?

An injury?

I don't get it. He was fine and then suddenly 50% of his snaps are grounders.

It was horrible and Mahomes lost several attempts at open receivers while ****ing around with the snap at hs ankles or on the ground.

I would love to watch everyone of KC's offensive snaps and count how often this happened.

We have a spot for Jason Kielce now, no?

It wasn't just this game. There were several times during this season where Creed had a problem with low snaps. Shit was driving me crazy, and I'm sure Mahomes as well.

No, I realize it wasn't just the Super Bowl but it seemed to be the worst of the year. :hmmm:

His snaps were absolutely atrocious the whole playoffs.

I was rather ripped when this got posted... But Jones was much more impactful in that game than Creed Humphrey and his nine thousand low snaps. Very frustrating.

They were, and it's a problem. But at least we don't have to worry about him snapping the ball over Pat's head.

(Trying to find the silver lining here)

Creed’s low snaps damn near cost the entire game. A lot of busted plays in critical situations.

This is the most backwards shit I've ever read. At best the center is the 3rd most important part of the line.

Is this the answer to “What are we going to complain about now”?

"Look mother****er...he rolled me the snap" - Mahomes to Rice at end of regulation as the reason he didnt get the ball to Rice

Ballsy move by the rookie kid to speak that way to the star QB. Mahomes stood his ground, as he should on this particular play. Creed's snap dang near put them in a situation to lose the game accidentally running out the clock.

If we didn't have Patrick Mahomes behind C, then at the very least 1 of Creed's shitty snaps would have been a TO.

This isn't only a one season issue too. He was doing this shit last year too and I remember him rolling multiple snaps in the Super Bowl against the Eagles.

EDIT:

Looks like Jason Kelce is a free agent


Creeds hits if Cut pre-june 1:

Dead Money - $351,856
Cap Savings - $1,418,892

He's entering the final year of his contract, so it's a legit discussion to have regarding if he's worth a big contract extension.

Jason Kelce is cooked. He didn’t have a great year

The entire Eagles team didn't have a great year, but I would think playing with Travis for the Three-Peat would be rejuvenating for him.

I didn't watch Eagles games all season, did he roll the ball to Hurts all game like Creed does?

We are not cutting Humphrey lol good Lord

Absolutely bothing wrong with it. Mahomes isn't god. These guys are clearly capable of letting out some frustration on the sidelines and being done with it after.

If anything, it just shows me that Rice genuinely cares, just like Pat and Kelce.

I'll be glad when Jason Kelce retires just because it'll put an end to this "we gotta sign Jason!" shit. The dude is Philly royalty, he is never playing anywhere else. And we already have one of the best centers in the league, low snaps notwithstanding.

I'd rather keep Creed and cut/trade Thuney then have Kelce play LG for us on the cheap. IF you must sign Jason Kelce hahaha

Creed is a very high end center he just needs to work on his snaps, that shouldn't be a hard fix.

Thuney is supposedly really good at his job though. Creed has been visibly bad at snaps this season. One would have to think that the time it takes Pat to duck, find the ball, pick it up, then stand back up (while it may be an extra 1 seconds) can become critical.

It's probably best they get it fixed in training camp, but it's hard to believe the coaching and Pat haven't been trying to fix him already.

Or who knows, maybe they don't even see it as a problem since Mahomes is God and overcomes shitty snaps.

Jason Kelce is just a fun nice too have, as I like the dude and understand he wants to play with Travis.

If it's a topic discussed heavily already and people want to discuss other things, fine whatever.

I never did figure out the context to it.

I saw them barking at each other but couldn't figure out if Mahomes was chirping at Rice for not getting deeper on his route (they weren't going to risk a tackle inbounds there) or if Rice was in Pat's ear for not looking over the middle.

Either seemed plausible, especially with the Kelce thing and Sneed seemingly losing his mind for a second there.

The whole damn team was tight as a snare drum in that first half. Nothing would've surprised me at that point.

I thought that originally too, but it's been much of the season and hasn't seemed to get better. One would think they have already been working on it.

Who knows, maybe it's just been a funk that he will overcome during this off-season. I don't remember Creed being so bad at snaps the previous seasons.

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OR too stupid to realize that Creed likely rolled the snap there as he's done all season.

But, yeah, go ahead and assume it's Pat's fault there, Occam.

The **** is this shit

This, this and this. He’s a top five Center in the league (not hyperbole and I DGAF what PFF says), and he had a handful of shotgun snaps that were low. Letting him go is some bullshit akin to fools questioning Butker a few years ago when he had the yips….JFC too much Madden and not enough OL acumen. Dudes like Creed are not a dime a dozen. Like, at all.

:shake:

Creed isn’t going anywhere.

Rashee got mad but Mahomes put him in his place and Rashee respected it.

Damn, ya'll love Creed (and that's fine).

I was just opening up a conversation.

Consider Creed has 1 year left on the cheap until he is a FA, then he's going to get paid (we already know how much money the Chiefs have tied up in the Oline)

Considering Creeds snap issues (yes it could be the temporary yips), I don't really think a Trade Creed/Bring in Jason Kelce for 1 year/ Draft a new Center is that far out of the question.

It's not really a knock on Creed, just thinking more long term.

I love it. And there's no ill will between them, just two alpha male dogs getting after the other to be better. Didn't mess them up in OT either. Mahomes went straight to him for some big yards.

I swear, Rice is gonna destroy this league next year.

I'm just happy our QB was once a shortstop. Creed is ESPECIALLY happy our QB was once a shortstop today.

Get him a sports psychologist or some shit. He'll be fine.

Yeup.

Come at the king, you best not miss, Rashee. Some real White Goodman energy there...

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Two Super Bowl rings out of the gate.


Lucky guy!

We didn't resign Morse.
We didn't resign Hudson.

Under no circumstance should the Chiefs and their system pay market value for a top 5 center. It is simply a waste of money.

they are not cutting Thuney. Because he backloaded the contract to help the team two years ago, He has a $20+ million dead cap space hit if cut. It’s his last year of the contract.

Protecting Patrick is highest valued commodity for Mahomes to succeed, and when it's all said and done Creed could be in the HOF.

Morse is not in the same strata as Creed, and had an extensive injury history. And during Hudson’s time, the Chiefs were clearly in a rebuild and he didn’t even cement his starting role until his third year. Creed took over on week one of his rookie year.

Creed is the cornerstone of this championship offensive line, and I think they find a way to keep him.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn Creeds played most of the season with injuries to the wrist or possibly mangled fingers that haven't had a chance to heal. Something hasn't been right all year with snaps it seems.

They didn't resign Morse or Hudson, but they offered to pay both.

So I'd guess they end up keeping Creed.

The guy was playing like an All-Pro last couple of years. All of a sudden he's rolling the ball back to the QB, Why?

He's been snapping balls to QB's for over a decade at the highest levels. All of a sudden he cant snap a ball correctly? Not believing it, he has to have had an injury.

Wouldn’t shock me if we moved on after the year, it’s been done several times already by Reid.

Man, I want to say I remember Creed having these issues dating back to last season. Super Bowl 57 especially had some low snaps iirc.

I laughed so hard at this, he rolled the ****in snap to me!

This is correct. This isn't a this season problem. He was rolling them back there in the Eagles Super Bowl. If we didn't have the greatest QB of all time, then people would be calling for Creed's head because those would turn into turnovers. I damn sure don't want to give Creed a re ord setting contract if he can't quit rolling the ball back to Mahomes.

Just think of how important timing is in this offense and how much that can **** up the timing.

Of course, I’m saying this as someone who never played center, but it can’t he that hard to snap it better than that. I don’t know if he has a psychological issue about snapping it over Pat’s head or what. But, man it seems to happen more than it should. Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely love Creed. But he needs to work on cleaning that up.

Snapping is like a golf swing. Only thing I can think is that he switched up his technique and fails to snap the ball with regularity in pressure moments.

Dude is a literal ALL PRO, pretty sure a few bad snaps doesn't change that... wtf are we even talking about here?

I long snapped in high school and college.

Most guys who snap low are actually prone to snapping high and they’re over correcting.

Low is better than high, because the QB actually has a chance.

I’d guess Creed is prone (maybe his grip or body type) to holding the ball a split second too long and snapping high, so he’s trying too hard to make sure he doesn’t send one over Mahomes’s head (didn’t he do that a few years ago against Baltimore?) in key moments (been a problem in 2 Super Bowls now).

Grunhard on 810 has said that Creed is probably concentrating on the line calls and not thinking about the snap.. He also said that your arm should hit the same place on your leg everytime for a good snap.. To me this would be easily correctable.. Why creed hasn’t is baffling..

LMAO "a few". Mahomes is having to play short stop all game with how bad it's gotten.

It's been worse than usual the last couple playoff games. The majority of Creed's snaps in his 3 years as a starter here in KC have not been this way.

I don't think you necessarily avoid extending him just because of that.

Anytime Patrick has to take his eyes off the defense to field a grounder isn’t good.. Maybe we win in regulation if that snap was better..

I think the bad snaps change that. Those things are dangerous and disruptive.

Were the bad snaps a problem during the regular season? Last year in the playoffs? If they were, were they as bad as the AFCC and the SB this year?

If they weren't noticeable enough to complain about before the last two games, I think you trust him to get that fixed back to the way they used to be and just call this one a fluke.

Also, how great is it that I have to specify which Super Bowl I'm talking about? God I love my life.

Mahomes biggest flaw might be that he's so good that we can downplay basically any issue on offense cause he can overcome them 99.999% of the time LMAO

Which is the better option, or easier course of action;

1) Find another Center in free agency or the draft who can deliver the ball perfectly from the shotgun to Mahomes’ chest right between his numbers, but is average at best, but likely a mediocre blocker on either runs or passing.

OR

2) Have the best blocking Center we’ve had in 20 years that combines the best of Casey Weigman with Tim Grunhard into one dude, but needs to work on his shotgun snaps for the reigning Super Bowl Champion Chiefs?

If you’re conflicted, go watch — really watch — Creed in both run and pass blocking from any game in the playoffs. He neutralizes pass rushers and removes people from the TV screen on runs. If he gets his hands on you, you’re done son.

i don't think creed's going anywhere. also, aren't super bowl balls usually slicker? i've heard players complain about them in the past. that may have been part of the problem.

wtf just happened? Are people actually lobbying to get rid of Creed? He's probably the best Center in football not named Kelce, and he's 24 yrs old on a rookie contract.

You can't make this shit up.

Dude has been a top 5 center all 3 years he's been in the league and we want to let him go because he had some low snaps this year?

He's right you know ^

Yeah, let’s don’t be stupid. There has to be a reason for the bad snaps. They’ll find it and correct.

But, forcing Mahomes to take his eyes off the defense to just field a snap is a very bad thing and needs to be corrected by week 1 next year.

He’s been playing at the highest level in college and the pros. If it was a big or inert issue, we’d know by know.

It's definitely a concern, but it seems more correctable than being a bad blocker.

Feels like people are making mountains out of molehills over this one.

Absolutely.

You can’t create or develop what Creed is as a blocker and pass protector. You can fix his snaps.

Creed is an incredible player. He’ll fix it. I don’t think Mahomes will let it remain an issue.

#1 and it's not even close. Because one will be ASTRONOMICALLY cheaper.

Again. An elite center for an Andy Reid offense is like paying for a Ferrari and not driving it. We don't do the tush push. We don't do QB sneaks. We run from shotgun alllloooot (so actually a centers ability to be a good snapper is even more important there), we are always Top 5-Top 10 in pass percentage, we aren't a power running team.

We don't even WANT to EVER pay for an elite center. Planning to walk on Creed will make our decisions to pay Jones, Sneed, Bolton, Tranquil, Reid etc much easier. If you need to walk from Creed in order to sign one of those, you do it and you fist pump while you are doing it.

Regardless of the snaps, you let him go because there is simply no reason the Chiefs and their system should ever want to pay the market price of a top center. If we draft a center and they become a top center, sure that is ideal, but we sure as **** shouldn't ever pay for it.