How come these threads never show up when we win?

This is how the NFL rigs games
 

Not really seen many (any?) games where we have to thank the refs for giving us a game we would otherwise have lost , have you ?


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have you been to Detroit and Cleveland?!?!

Well.. I, for one, sure am glad they didn't call holding on WASP in the Super Bowl.

Yesterday's game was so bad because it covered all 3 bases :

1. TV ratings on 2 levels :
a - Cincy was on the verge of getting blown out when Pringle returned that kick. Had to keep it close for the 70% of the country watching that game.
b - instead of Chiefs having the one seed locked up and resting starters for a week before their bye, which would see PMII on the sidelines for one week and watching at home the next, the league put their most marketable star in play for (possibly) the next 5 games.

They're not stupid. They did THAT on purpose.

2. By not allowing Cincy to score with 2 min left, they basically made sure Mahomes never touched the ball again. Cincy's FG made sure the spread was covered. They couldn't afford to have Mahomes even complete one pass to put KC in line to tie or win. Also...they couldn't allow Cincy to score a TD. It had to be a FG.

Vegas won BIG.

Please never watch another game and stop posting.

One seed wouldn't have been locked up if the Chiefs had won. They would still have to win next week so wouldn't have rested starters anyhow.

Only if you get a bottle of HEET antifreeze and drink it really fast.

If you do that, I promise that I'll stop watching and never post again.

Deal?

No calls are one thing

Bogus calls and multiple numbers of them in one game?

Like in the last SB and yesterday?

Totally different


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Okay, but they'd pull their starters as soon as the inevitable 30-3 third quarter score showed up.

Agreed 100%

What's next, the NFL providing details of how (or if) they evaluate the jobs their part-timer officiating crews did the previous week?

No, the NFL is never going to do that. Never.

The NFL is simply never going to be transparent and open itself up to even more criticism. Their play is to insist that just because it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like duck, goes to duck school and has duck friends doesn't mean it's a duck. And they aren't going to show you its birth certificate or let you talk to the doctors who birthed it. So you're just going to have to accept their claim that it's a tuna fish...

Why is every defensive penalty an automatic first down?

It can be 3rd and 30 but a 5 yard holding penalty results in an automatic first down? Ridiculous.

Get these stupid bailout penalties out of the game.

What the heck are you talking about?

First, as has already been mentioned, we would not have locked up the 1 seed since the Titans won. We still would need to play our starters against the Donkeys.

Secondly, the Bengals were +4.5 underdogs. I'm not sure what you mean by covering the spread.

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The WWFL wants scoring, so rules are created to do whatever rules can to to help teams score.

And you know I'm right..

Why is a DPI a spot violation, but an OPI isn't the equivalent yardage backwards?

Why are push-offs labeled "it's just hand fighting"?

Why aren't stiff-arms (often on the facemask) labeled "blows to the head and neck area?

Why can a RB, or anybody with the ball, able to lead with the crown of their helmet?

It's all to promote scoring.

Don't get me started on why I think the NFL's defenses should break off into their own union. It's 100% possible, and sure would be interesting.

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You can't even see how unhinged you are.

Rabs, let me know when you've reached the point when you just accept this stuff and move on.

I know they got the nudge. It happens. I'm not going to say I can predict shit, or figure out why they do it for certain teams and certain times.

When it happens, it happens. Turn it off or watch, shrug your shoulders and move on. You will be happier.

Please take your donkey loving ass back to orangemange where it belongs.

Do they have fewer unhinged conspiracy hypocrites?

LMAO

That was basically my feelings the day after the SB and moments after the game yesterday.

We'll probably never know 100% if games are rigged or to what extent, or if they're influenced intentionally or not, or if it's just incompetence.

And believing you KNOW is dumb. I certainly don't KNOW the NFL wanted Brady to win the SB, but I'm not going to ignore the fact that he gets calls no other QB gets, whether it's at the NFL level or his ability to cry to the refs, or the NFL inadvertently influencing the game by wanting the refs to cracking down and the refs botched it,, etc. And I don't know why the refs completely botched yesterday's game and if I should be suspicious of the last minute crew change or if it's simply a Covid thing plus a lot of incompetence.

And I'm not sure I care what it is or to what extent... just that it happens and it ruins big games. It's a ****ing shame, no matter the reasons, and what really grinds my gears is the complete lack of accountability.

OK, fine. I was just referring to the line in my gambling thread. The point still stands though. What difference did it make how many points the Bengals won by when they were the underdogs?

The O/U did not matter either since the over had already been hit.

Maybe they really wanted Cincy to win that division?

Idk, it's more than just "mah CHEEFS" for me.

It's the final death knell for what remained of my tattered childhood innocence. The world is cold, corrupted, evil place. There is no escaping it.

Not even for 3.5 hours on a Sunday.

And you can't see that no one ****ing wants you here.

I think the straw that broke the camel’s back for me was the NFCCG in 2019 days immediately before the Chiefs played the Pats. That missed call when the Rams defender completely bulldozed the Saints receiver at the goal line was the most egregious call I’ve ever seen. The play was out in the open and everyone saw clear as day what happened. Somehow, every referee in that game watched that play happen and somehow decided that the most blatant PI ever committed in NFL history didn’t happen. Maybe most games are on the up and up, but unfortunately there will always be some that aren’t.

The Tuck rule and Immaculate Deception say hello

OK, I just aged myself lol

This is exactly where I am. It’s not even so much that we got jobbed and lost, it’s just the fact that not even sports can be an escape anymore because greed has literally ruined everything.

You just want to sit down and watch your favorite team play without having to be reminded that the world is a cesspool of corruption. They insult your intelligence putting that garbage on the field and they know you’ll just keep coming back anyway because we love the game so much, even though they’ve turned it into a shell of what it once was.

It’s just sickening.

Cowherd today basically talking down to Chiefs fans for "expecting a perfectly called game."

No, dick, we expect a fairly called game.

Yeah, and that's how the complete lack of accountability drives the conspiracy theories, because there really isn't a better explanation on that play... it was just that bad. And is that a ref having money on the game or the NFL with marching orders or something completely different? Who knows, but there's zero excuse for it or defending that call.

It's also a big distinction that is largely lost on Black & White CP.... that refs can be completely incompetent in some games while others could be influenced, that it's not just a conspiracy when you don't like the outcome, and so forth.

He's always been biased against the Chiefs, and he began his coaching career here.

It's odd.

It think he's talking about the The Herd guy, not Bill.

You prefer to live in a bubble?

thanks...I'm and idiot.

This. All of this. So much of this.

If that bubble doesn't have you in it, then it sounds GREAT.

I'm an moran

Still waiting for an answer to this.

EXACTLY! It doesn't have to be called perfectly. And nobody is saying it does. But if you're going to totally job one team, you better job the other an equal amount. Yesterday was one sided.

The national media is tired of the Chiefs too...it is what it is.

This may lead to the reason the Patriots took the path they did. We'll go crooked, expose us at your own credibility

This is very clearly the case, and I really just don't understand it.

You have the face of the league on this team and a Hall of Fame head coach. Not to mention numerous playmakers on both sides of the ball, several of whom are potential Hall of Famers themselves. An amazing home crowd that always rocks it in front of the TV cameras, and a great tradition dating back 50+ years.

Yet it seems the league can't wait to push us out of the limelight and has their cronies in the media working on the same goal. I simply cannot comprehend it. It's so frustrating.

Why are they mutually exclusive?

Why would you assume it can't be both?

How ****ing dumb are you, really?

It's not even mildly fishy that the Patriots were a joke for decades...wanted to move somewhere else...

Bob Kraft comes in, saves football in Boston and magically they're the best ever. I've always felt like he was rewarded for bailing out the league with that team.

In the NFC this is exactly the same thing that happens in Green Bay...think about it.

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Sure, a SB appearance or two (or three) and a championship. But 9 appearances in 18 years?

Get out of here with that BS.

It's not a bad comparison, on a wrestling show everyone has a role...

The issue is the Chiefs aren't Steve Austin or The Rock...they're Chris Jericho.

Super bowl win over the 49ers is a game that comes to mind.

This is how the NFL rigs games
 

Already mentioned that was one non call where the odds were very much against the pass succeeding anyway.

What we witnessed yesterday for example was a disgraceful procession of bogus flags over multiple quarters designed to orchestrate a bengals come from behind victory


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ROFL

Oh, I think I get it now. So, Derek Carr is the undertaker, right?

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He wishes he had that push..

I agree a lot of close calls went against the Chiefs yesterday.

So did Reid. He's Spagnuolo's boss. He could have demanded a different play. And frankly, by not doing what was necessary to get him back on the field with a chance to tie or win with sufficient time on the clock, he let the best QB in the game stand on the sidelines twiddling his thumbs while the whole team took an L.

Reid needs to have a mantra in his head: "I have Patrick Mahomes and you don't." (Pretty sure I saw someone else here say that; it's not an original thought of my own, that's for sure).

How many here have ever been a referee for any high level sport?

When you get players like Fenton calling you out like he was after his PI calls it is very easy to get tunnel vision looking for more from that same player and the rest of the players on that team.

Blame the refs all you want but looking at the big picture they are not the reason for the loss.

Two 60yd plus TDs that Chase could have walked into the end zone, the catch on the 3&27 and the Chiefs offense staying in the locker room the entire second half were the reason for the loss.

the chiefs offense had 3 possessions in the 2nd half, thanks to spags and the officials.

Two games this year the Chiefs have lost because we took the ball out of Patrick Mahomes' hands in crunch time.

Completely inexcusable.

Hopefully there will be support for teams to have the ability to challenge more calls, especially horse collar penalties, half the time it’s is obviously wrong, face masking, the same, needs to be able to be challenged. Pass interference is a little more difficult since it’s a judgment call, but bring it back.

PI challenging had a 100% failure rate.

If was the refs way of saying "**** you".

What games will Vince Mcma...I mean Roger Goodell rig this weekend?!!!!!

yeah but a facemask and horse collar are pretty cut and dry, it either happens or it doesn’t. DPI is a judgement call

Horse collar should be reviewable. Ignorant that it isn't since it is a well defined foul that is not judgment based at all. They should not even require a challenge from coach as it is about safety of the players.

Facemask should be a well but they need to be able to diffentiate between a legit facemask vs just grazing or incidental.

Jesus man we would have 6 hour games if they made everything reviewable

I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm not sure how the Refs get excused because we didn't play a perfect game and win despite them. Seems like you're looking for a way to excuse their part of the shit show. I'm NOT saying I don't agree with the parts you pointed out where our team ****ed up, but I'm not sure that's a reason to absolve the officials for calling a shitty game (too).

As for Fenton "calling him out", if that's such a terrible thing, why didn't it ****-over Brady and Manning all these years? It seems like even there it seems like certain players can get into official's faces and get them to look for things that they're whining about, but only a select few. That seems wrong too. All players should have equal access to air their grievances with the Zebras, not just a select few.

And if it was really a tough job, as tough as I think you're implying, wouldn't they reserve it to fulltime staff? Laugh at that all you want, but that's because you don't have a really good explanation for why the exceedingly rich sport can't make the people who officiate their product fulltime staff members.

How mamy horse collar tackles do you see pee game that would cause games to last 6 hours?

3 if you include CEH's Ravens fumble

Not giving the refs a pass. Just was giving insight into how a red can subconsciously get into a flow of calling things over and over against the same team.

NFL is one of the most profitable companies in the world. Not having FT referees is beyond stupid.

I have no idea how the NFL handles referee evaluations but if they don't do full debriefs after every game they need to start.

In pro soccer, even the lower levels like the USl the refs get reviewed after virtually every game.

Referees will even be sent home and no longer assigned games for a period of time.

No reason for the NFL to not do the same sort of thing.

NFL could gain back a lot of trust from fans if they did this.

Quality post. Rep applied.

Truth, but I really don't mind if it turns into the "Us against the world" mentality. Would probably mean more games like yesterday, and THAT would suck.

Appreciate it. Rep returned.

That's one of the two I'm referring to.

I'm not sure that I agree with this statement; with the advanced analytics and 240 frame per second video of plays from multiple angles, I would think that they could have a few crews of people watching plays to prevent bad calls from happening. Even using computer modeling is possible. They could have an answer in their earpieces before the call is made.

They use the frame by frame analysis to determine if the ball moves a sixteenth of an inch before the runner is down so why don't they do this sort of thing on other key plays? Everyone makes errors, why not use the technology available to make it better for all?

Judgement calls allow implicit bias to influence the outcome of games.

They low key don't want a "black" QB to be the dominant face of the league.....There I said it......Plus for some reason, they don't want KC to have swagger but it's OK for other teams. They don't want KC to be THE team.....they want us to go back to being the team they can write off every year because of having a game manager QB. Skip and his comments about between the legs and around the back passes......"Brady doesn't do that...blah...balh...blah...." Neither does Pat....asshole I see right through it....They can't wait to annoint someone else.


Get mad.....I don't care.

If fans started writing off the NFL in an organized way (akin to how owners started freaking out to fan reactions of political protests) or give the NFL a "fail mary" type backlash, the NFL is just not going care about trust from fans unless it impacts their bottom line.

Went back and watched the goal line stand at the end.

FWIW, both penalties were good calls. On the 2nd one, Fenton clearly hit Boyd in the face so hard he had to readjust his helmet mid play.

The one I was more curious about was the first one. If you watch the broadcast, you can see Ward quite literally tackle Chase at the top of the screen. We were actually fortunate that we got a hold on Cincinnati to give us another chance.

If we're going to pile on the refs I think it's fair to point out that there was nothing wrong with those two calls.

I would like to see a close up of the Ward penalty. I get the feeling the refs don’t make both of those calls (maybe one, not both) if the game was played at Arrowhead. It’s easier to keep the flag in the pocket if you know the crowd will have your back. Just like it’s easier to throw it if you know the crowd will cheer.