He's in Milwaukee.

What's the value in 2nd round picks? The chances of actually drafting anyone worth playing seems extremely low from my very limited knowledge of nba draft.

Now he is. I was hoping he would be stuck where he was.

Per Shams GSW are trying to get OG from Toronto.

Lakers trade Beverly to Orlando for Mo Bamba.

They are more like lottery tickets but you can still get players in the 2nd. Usually more developmental projects but occasionally can hit. High 2nd rounders can also have more use vs. a very late 1st due to contract flexibility.

John Wall back to Houston might be the most amusing trade. Has anyone ever been bought out by the same team twice in less than a year?

The number of "Well that was obviously stupid" things that Pelinka has had to dig out from under this deadline has been staggering.

That being said...man he's done a nice job of it. He's essentially dealt Westbrook and a 1st in 2029 for:

Rui Hachimura (Bird rights)
Dlo (Bird)
Beasley (reasonable option year)
Vanderbilt (cheap year next season)
Mo Bamba (1 year left at $10 million; very reasonable for a younger big)

I mean there were some 2nds that came and went in all those deals. And Thomas Bryant/Patrick Beverly. But Beverly sucks and Bryant requested a trade.

That's some pretty nice maneuvering to add some genuine depth this season while also creating a path towards next season that isn't a complete cluster w/ the hopes that the mid-level and buyout candidates can save you.

It's a hell of a lot more of a plan than they appeared to have 72 hours ago.

Warriors getting Payton back could be pretty big. West is getting ****ing wild. Should be a really fun next few months for sure.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;No offense to anybody, but just removing [Russell] Westbrook who just functionally was killing them. He was killing them!&quot;<br><br>Brian Windhorst did NOT mince his words on Russ&#39;s time with the Laker 🗣️<a href="https://t.co/3HYOpGZsQC">pic.twitter.com/3HYOpGZsQC</a></p>&mdash; ClutchPoints (@ClutchPointsApp) <a href="https://twitter.com/ClutchPointsApp/status/1623714397896994816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO

Brian Windhorst is so far up lebrons ass he makes KCC look like a lebron hater.

That reminds me of one of Stephen A’s few great moments:

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I might become a Suns fan now. Great balls shown by the new owner. This town needs a championship.

He is.

But that does nothing to change the fact that Russell Westbrook is hot garbage.

It was some pretty nice work with the limited resources and not giving up anything useful for this year other than maybe Bryant who wanted out for more playing time. They are probably in too much of a hole in the standings and this all likely just turns out to be a new batch of fall guys for Lebron fanboys to blame.

Correct

Jazz are still perplexed how they started out the year so well and the GM is like ok this oughtta do it.

Russ would make a great tank commander if they keep him.

Sheesh, Portland. Apparently the Warriors determined he needs about 3 months of rest during the incoming physical.

Payton, according to sources, had been playing through pain in Portland. Sources added that the Blazers training staff had been pushing him to gut through it, giving him Toradol shots. This had not been relayed to the Warriors during the negotiation process.

Payton had abdominal surgery during the summer. The Blazers initially projected he’d be ready for the regular season. But his rehab lingered, his timeline kept getting pushed back and Payton ended up missing the season’s first 35 games, hinting after his return that he still didn’t feel fully right, mentioning a few setbacks.

I would start watching the NBA again just for the return of Roundball Rock...

Link: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/13/nbc-...e-nba-bid.html

Not at the expense of Inside the NBA.

If they mess with TNT's shit, I don't want it.

Breaks the scoring record and in the middle of a playoff push after greatly strengthening the roster he sits out three straight games.

How is ANYONE a Lebron James fan?

Respect the talent all you want, but this guy can get ****ed.

GOAT my ass. What a fraud.

Yuuuup.

Did you see him crying about the call after the SB on Twitter?

Dude said you can't call that at the end of the game like that, after he was literally just crying non-stop about a non-call at the end of a game.

LMAO

FOX owns the music rights to Roundball Rock now. They use it on their college basketball broadcasts.

LeBron's whining alone should remove him from the GOAT conversation. You can't be the GOAT and a bitch at the same time.

"But what about Brady?"

Brady isn't the GOAT.

I wonder how bad his ankle is?

Good enough to stat chase.

Not good enough to try to make the playoffs though.

Don't forget that this is the same guy who tried to stage a walkout during the COVID meeting and got no followers. The one tainted ring he's won in years was one he tried to get canceled anyway.

The guy doesn't give a shit about wins or championships. He doesn't care if they make the playoffs because that just delays his off-season.

He's just out to build a brand at this point.

Maybe that's part of why his 'longevity' has been so great? Lebron likes to sit out a lot. Only played a full 82 game season once in his career. If he didn't miss 20 to 30 games a year over the last 5 years, he probably wouldn't still be playing basketball right now. Kudos to him for knowing his limitations.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/nba...bron_james.htm

Some guys like to walk away when they know it's time. Others like to hang around and play games here and there, take vacations when they want, so they can continue to stat whore cause their worried their other accomplishments might not hold up to the test of time against certain others. So they continue to pile on stats playing longer than they should due to missing a third of a season for the twilight years of their career.

To each his own, I guess . . . . . .

When you have to literally tell people you're the GOAT, you're not the GOAT.

Can't just speak it into existence. It doesn't work like that.


Hell, even Brady has never actually called himself the GOAT.

Hahahahahaha no ****ing shit, totally forgot about his tantrum.

Yup. Real bitch move

Watch him suddenly get healthy enough before the all star game. He hasn’t missed one since 2004 when he wasn’t selected to the team his rookie year. He’s also tied with Kareem for the most all star games played in.

Wonder if we'll ever see another Barry tweet again after this one?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Patrick, if you had class or integrity you would&#39;ve declined that terrible ticky tack penalty that gifted you the Super Bowl. That&#39;s what a real competitor would&#39;ve done, but you took the easy way out. Sad. No wonder you have fewer rings than Troy Aikman.</p>&mdash; Barry (@BarryOnHere) <a href="https://twitter.com/BarryOnHere/status/1625645519807688707?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 14, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO at playoff push. They're in 13th place in the conference and only like 5 teams in the league have a worse record than them. Why would he waste his time with this joke Lakers team if he's in any way physically limited? Shit, he even left the game he broke the record in early with the same injury.

Can only hope all of this means he's going to figure a way out of that disaster this summer.

From 2003 to 2018, LeBron played over 70 regular season games every season except twice (62 in 2011-2012 and 69 in 2014-2015) and that isn't even counting the 12-24 playoff games he played in each of those years. Hate him all you want for whatever petty reasons you want, but he's easily one of the most durable players in the history of basketball. He's picked up more injuries in recent years (not surprising considering he's in his mid to late 30s), but the games played record will be one of the next to fall for him.

19 all-star games in 20 seasons and he's not even close to finished. Truly the GOAT.

What would LeQuit James do without KCC here to defend his honor on CP???

LMAO LMAO LMAO

I think the better question is what would CP do in its yearly NBA thread if it couldn't trash LeBron? He completes you.

Oof. Big sad now that Barry is probably off limits for his Mahomes slander. That's a YUUUUGE chunk of content suddenly missing from the 'Lebron James Gawk Gawk 9000' catalogue.

Figures that a bundle of sticks ass Lebron dick rider would turn on the NFL's MJ.

Barry's down bad due to his Eagles. He'll bounce back to his usual defenses of LeBron and Mahomes by next week, I'm sure.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Through 523 playoff attempts<br><br>Mahomes: 35 TD - 7 INT<br> Montana: 33 TD - 16 INT<br> Rodgers: 32 TD - 8 INT<br> Marino: 29 TD - 17 INT<br> Favre: 29 TD - 19 INT<br> Brees: 27 TD - 9 INT<br> Brady: 23 TD - 10 INT<br> Elway: 22 TD - 19 INT<br> Manning: 21 TD - 17 INT</p>&mdash; Barry (@BarryOnHere) <a href="https://twitter.com/BarryOnHere/status/1625623689348755458?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 14, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When Mahomes wins 8 rings dinking &amp; dunking &amp; Brady fans act like it&#39;s not impressive even though they call Brady the GOAT for doing it &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>&mdash; Barry (@BarryOnHere) <a href="https://twitter.com/BarryOnHere/status/1625659833809612800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 15, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah he's all right. Still getting his shots in at the fraud and his fans as well.

The disaster he created.

He's not going to try to get out. He has ZERO interest in leaving. Because YOU care more about James winning championships than he does. You have bought so much of his bullshit that in a way it's endearing.

He's been a fraud his entire career. A disingenuous huckster who has always been better at blaming others for his failures than he has been at actually succeeding.

Irony of it all is LeBron would have better in Jordan's era than he would be in today's NBA. His physical size and ability were perfect, today the 3 point shot is the great equalizer that it wasn't then.

Still one hell of a career, second best player behind Jordan. His douche canoe off the court hurt him more than his play on the court.

So he's now gone from being a team-jumping ring chaser to being a disingenuous huckster who doesn't care about winning at all. For consistency's sake, you clowns need to make up your mind about which narrative you want to hate on LeBron with and stick with it.

They are less than 3 games out of the play in game and less than 5 games out of the 6 seed and they traded away their biggest problem. But they aren't in a playoff push? Give me a break.

Yes.

Although he also started out seeking individual glory. Then became a ring chaser, then went looking for individual glory again.

You've gotta be kidding me. They have one of the worst records in the league as it is and at best they're going to lose in the 1st round in 4 or 5 games (that's if LeBron/AD somehow stay healthy long enough enough to get them in and through the play-in games). They're awful.

Or maybe he just started out in Cleveland without any help at all, went out to find some help and got some in Miami, Cleveland and LA to win titles, and now has no help again (in addition to just generally being 38 years old and well past his prime). That would be too simple, I guess.

Not kidding. They should make the playoff game with their roster and the state of the western conference. If they don't at this point it's on LeBron. He's good enough by himself to win enough games to make up 3 games on 3 teams ahead of them. But he's choosing to rest now that's he got the scoring title.

The play-in game, I assume you mean? Who gives a **** about the play-in game? None of those teams in the standings there are doing anything against actual good teams.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And here we get to the real reason why people hate LeBron, insecurity about him being better than MJ.<br><br>P.S. even if you think MJ is better than LeBron, acting like he&#39;s leaps &amp; bounds better than LeBron is stupid. He&#39;s not. <a href="https://t.co/GCG5XAR2pb">https://t.co/GCG5XAR2pb</a></p>&mdash; Barry (@BarryOnHere) <a href="https://twitter.com/BarryOnHere/status/1626009475902570501?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 16, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"insecurity"

The irony with how much you have to overcompensate on a Chiefs forum.

10% of your posts are probably some variation of "Lebron is the GOAT".

Team LeBron is an historic 5-0 in this All-Star format. Time to make it 6-0 after these picks tonight.

Team LeBron
Pos Player Team
Starters
F LeBron James Los Angeles Lakers
F Nikola Jokić Denver Nuggets
C Joel Embiid Philadelphia 76ers
G Kyrie Irving Dallas Mavericks
G Luka Dončić Dallas Mavericks
Reserves
F Anthony Edwards Minnesota Timberwolves
G Jaylen Brown Boston Celtics
F Paul George Los Angeles Clippers
G Tyrese Haliburton Indiana Pacers
F Julius Randle New York Knicks
G De'Aaron Fox Sacramento Kings
F Jaren Jackson Jr. Memphis Grizzlies
Head Coach: Michael Malone (Denver Nuggets)[6]


Team Giannis
Pos Player Team
Starters
F Giannis Antetokounmpo Milwaukee Bucks
F Lauri Markkanen Utah Jazz
G Donovan Mitchell Cleveland Cavaliers
G Ja Morant Memphis Grizzlies
G Jayson Tatum Boston Celtics
Reserves
G Damian Lillard Portland Trail Blazers
G Jrue Holiday Milwaukee Bucks
G Shai Gilgeous-Alexander Oklahoma City Thunder
G DeMar DeRozan Chicago Bulls
F Pascal Siakam Toronto Raptors
C Bam Adebayo Miami Heat
C Domantas Sabonis Sacramento Kings
Head Coach: Joe Mazzulla (Boston Celtics)[5]

LeGM knows what he's doing.

I mean there's only been a decade or so in the interim.

Y'know - both things can be true.

He went to Miami as a team-jumping ring chaser and got his rings. Then he went to LA as a disingenuous huckster.

See - this isn't that difficult.

They're decent at this point.

Now that they've jettisoned most of the bullshit he foisted onto them.

Look - I understand you have to make a 2 game deficit for the play-in seem like some insurmountable mountain so you can build your hero up if/when they make it.

But his fingerprints are all over this mess and the least he could do at this point is lace up his shoes and do everything he can to dig them out of it.

He's literally doing and has done the same thing his entire career since leaving Cleveland the first time. He brought AD along to LA with him to win titles (which they did) and then backed one of the dumbest trades in modern NBA history (bringing Westbrook in a couple of years off of him being an elite player) in a misguided attempt to win more titles.

It's a safe bet that if he determines he has zero chance of winning another title in LA that he's going to go at it somewhere else again. Now it may be possible that he's satisfied with his career accolades at this point (he's got the most impressive career in totality in the history of the game after all), but let's hope he wants one more title or two. I'd love to see the MJ fans meltdown even more as LeBron wins titles as a secondary player (which would have the dual effect of getting him closer to MJ and exposing the rings argument for the nonsense that it actually is).

They're decent only when LeBron and AD actually play in the games. Given their track records of late (and LeBron got hurt again last night), there's little reason to think either one is going to play 20+ of their remaining games. If they do, they'll make the play-in (for however little that is worth) and lose in the 1st round at best anyway.

So are the Warriors winning it all again this year?

"Lebron had the worst roster of all-time. Unbeievable how they even managed to even stay within 10 points. Lebron absolutely carried the team." -KCC, circa 2005-2023

Only if the league steps in and doesn’t make them play playoff games on the road. It will be interesting to see who they matchup against in the play-in game. The league will definitely be rooting for a Lakers Warriors matchups

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Debuted our 2024 mock draft on ESPN today with a look at some of the top prospects and how the class is shaping up as a whole. LINK: <a href="https://t.co/yP8pWtEOjW">https://t.co/yP8pWtEOjW</a> <a href="https://t.co/jGMBWzJlYv">pic.twitter.com/jGMBWzJlYv</a></p>&mdash; Jonathan Givony (@DraftExpress) <a href="https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1628455209398681602?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Did Klutch get to ESPN/DraftExpress?

So "Accessory Before the Fact" in his scouting report hasn't done Brandon Miller's stock any favors, eh?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Number of times dropping 40+ points while being suspected of murder:<br><br> Brandon Miller: 1<br> LeBron James: 0<br>Michael Jordan: 0 <a href="https://t.co/53Lia9W9mz">https://t.co/53Lia9W9mz</a></p>&mdash; Barry (@BarryOnHere) <a href="https://twitter.com/BarryOnHere/status/1628622272561905665?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Somebody's gonna draft him all right.

The DA saying "we didn't have anything we could charge him with" is the most blatant example of protecting a star player I have ever seen.

The dude got a call, retrieved the co-defendant's gun, brought it TO the scene for him, gave it to him and then parked his car in a way that blocked the other vehicle's escape.

If Darius Miller is being charged with murder for giving his gun to a guy who then used it to kill someone, the dude who went and grabbed the gun and gave it to Miller is equally culpable. And the DA says 'nah, we couldn't charge him...'

Dafuq? It's just complete dereliction by the DA.

Yeah, he may get drafted. But truth be told, if what was discovered during the Miles hearing is even 70% accurate, the kid should go to prison.

Oh, I certainly agree. I've more or less said the same thing in the KU thread the past couple of days. There's way too much there to believe his story about having no idea what was going on (and don't forget leaving the scene of the crime after his vehicle was shot up). If it was anybody else other than the best player on the team (and the sole reason Alabama is a national championship favorite), I'm betting the DA charges him with something here.

Still, so long as it stays that way, he's getting drafted. He's too good not to.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I was SHOCKED by the comments of <a href="https://twitter.com/AlabamaMBB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AlabamaMBB</a> Nate Oats yesterday but I am doubly SHOCKED that superstar Brandon MIller is scheduled to play tonight.Isn’t providing a gun to a teammate that was used in a murder a serious offense?</p>&mdash; Dick Vitale (@DickieV) <a href="https://twitter.com/DickieV/status/1628487773718978562?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Depends on the reports you read. I've read your version. I've also read that he was already on the way to pick up the other guy when he got the texts with the gun hidden in the back seat without him knowing it was there. And then another car parked behind him after he had parked. That would be understandable that he's not getting charged. The question of if he should be playing or not is a different conundrum.

What would be the statute of limitations on that. I give somebody else their gun. 30 minutes later they kill someone with it. Am I in trouble? 2 hours later? A day later? A week later? I still provided them their gun. Where is the line?

Which is why I qualified it a bit. The old 'my story, his story, the truth is somewhere in the middle' rule is usually a pretty good one to follow. But man, even in the middle of the respective stories is a REAL bad look here.

And by the way, if the gun is hidden in the back seat of HIS car and he doesn't know its there, A) how does that pass the sniff test and B) how's that jibe with texts saying 'get my gun...'?

I mean that's a REAL easy story to blast holes in, isn't it?

I just have to ask myself what any halfway reasonable human being does in that situation. I mean at WORST you just don't go, right? And what just about any of us would do is say "hey man, hop in the car..." and you get that dude the !@#$ out of dodge.

Rule's pretty simple - did you in some way encourage or aid in the commission of the crime.

If you give someone your gun to go target shooting and instead he kills someone, the requisite mens rea doesn't exist even if he does it within 5 minutes of you giving it to him. But if your felon buddy says "Hey, I wanna kill my wife but I can't buy a gun because of my felony" and you give him yours, then a year later he uses that gun to kill her, you're probably boned.

A stopwatch doesn't determine the outcomes here. It's the intent. When your buddy is fighting someone and you hand him a gun and say "there's one in the pipe"...gonna be hard to say that your intent wasn't to aid in the commission of a crime, no?

If Miles told Miller "hey, get my gun and meet me at the club" - just exactly what the **** other intent might Miller have had by giving it to him?

It seems pretty crazy that he hasn't been charged.

https://www.wvtm13.com/article/heari...a-gun/43012520

According to this article, Miller was going to the night club with Davis and Miles.

Miller decided not to go and drop them off instead.

Miles and Davis got into some sort of altercation with a guy and his girlfriend. The couple may have had a gun too.

Miles texts Miller and tells him that he needs his gun because someone was “fakin” (slang for like trying to intimidate someone).

Miller comes back and brings them the gun in his car (attorney says he never touched it). Miles and Davis get involved in the shooting. Davis is believed to have shot her.

Miller might not have touched the gun or pulled the trigger, but it sounds pretty clear that 1) he knew there was an altercation, 2) knew his friend wanted him to bring the gun, and 3) did drive to the club with the gun so his friend could have it.

That may not be enough to prove in court that Miller was involved, but at a minimum it’s pretty obvious that he isn’t just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

When I read this in particular the other day, I found it just bizarre that he wasn't charged. He had to know full well the kind of situation he was driving himself into/bringing the gun for, but they've decided to believe his story that he was clueless as to his friends' intent (seemingly just because he's really, really good at basketball).

He 100% had the chance to go pick his friend up and take him home.

He decided to let his friend get the gun and go into the situation instead.

At minimum, he made a HORRIBLE decision that cost a life. At worst, he knew exactly what would happened and helped facilitate it.

By the letter of the law, that set of facts is pretty clear 'accessory before the fact' and at the VERY least, it's sufficient to let a jury decide the matter.

There should be charges brought. This is prosecutorial malfeasance, IMO.

I'm not 100% sure if any sort of transferred intent would apply here. For instance, if you intend to commit ONE sort of crime and in the act of doing so, commit a different but related sort of crime, you can still be charged with the related sort of crime even if you didn't intend to commit THAT crime.

So does that apply to accessory? I really don't know. Because if nothing else, he knew Miles was going to be using the gun if for no other reason than to harass or intimidate. That's a crime in its own right. Can transferred intent apply here? Would they be considered related crimes if it does? Dunno - gets beyond my law school days and I'm far removed from those anyway.

But to my eyes he should absolutely be charged. There's enough 'there' there.

Not sure what the law is there, but I think he has to be charged, if the above is correct. He's pretty clearly an accessory.

Do you think that if he wasn’t a notable person, then he might be charged just so the prosecution could offer him a deal to testify against his friends?

If he wasn't a notable person he'd be charged on the off chance he gets convicted alongside 'em.

But yeah, there's a pretty good chance they'd see if they could flip him first. That said, the kind of culture that convinces someone "hey, I should bring my buddy his gun down at the club" is also one that leans pretty heavily into "snitches get stiches..."

Also, he'd get beat to death on cross examination. Witnesses that 'make deals' to testify always get hammered by the defense as being self-interested liars who are just testifying to save their own skins and would gladly say whatever the prosecution needs them to say to avoid jail time. They're not typically great witnesses.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I like how Pelinka is being praised for the wild and bold move of &quot;putting actual NBA players on the roster&quot;</p>&mdash; Hardwood Paroxysm (@HPbasketball) <a href="https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/1628992591206264833?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 24, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lakers are 2-0 with 2 blowout wins since surrounding LeBron with NBA caliber wings &amp; floor spacing <a href="https://t.co/HUFT90VLhf">pic.twitter.com/HUFT90VLhf</a></p>&mdash; Barry (@BarryOnHere) <a href="https://twitter.com/BarryOnHere/status/1628990163534635008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 24, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>