Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17360817)

Yup.

He's gonna still be amazing when he's 33 and doesn't have his legs to create coverage chaos and allow holes in the back end to develop. Because...savant.

That's definitely why the Ravens weren't willing to give him all those guarantees he was asking for, obviously why they were trying to drum up a trade market for him and clearly why they made sure to leave themselves an out in his contract before he turned 30...

Probably because they figured that when he's 30 years old, he'll be looking to get started on his career as an offensive coordinator. That's them just doing him a solid.

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360756)

Just want to make one thing clear since it seems to be a recurrent theme here that the perception is most Ravens fans think the disparity between these two games is large and it winds up being a blowout. I don’t think that represents the fanbase. Anyone predicting that is not only wrong but disrespectful. The Chiefs have earned the right to never be considered outlclassed/outgunned.

I bring up the 23 Ravens DVOA not to say that the Ravens are so much better than the Chiefs. The point is more so that the Ravens are better than the other “contenders” that people here want to lump the Ravens in with (Titans, Texans, Bills, Bengals, Eagles). The Chiefs aren’t the Dolphins or 9ers or other teams the Ravens beat up on. But the Ravens aren’t the Titans or Bills.

So I don’t fault Chiefs fans whatsoever for pounding their chests and saying that they’re infallible until proven otherwise. I just think the Ravens have the best chance yet to prove it otherwise, and there are empirical reasons to believe that.

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad (Post 17360649)

He just posted the most recent numbers however Lamar has been beating the blitz all year. The 1st half the Ravens were trying to take advantage of the Texans weak secondary and go deep, at halftime the guy with the low wonderlic score, you know the one that can't read defenses? Thay guy thats about to win his 2nd MVP went to the QB coach and told him that they had to go to the short to intermediate game to beat the blitz and wouldn't you know they scored 24 points in the 2nd half.

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360830)

Lamar has improved every single year of his career. He is exponentially better as a passer now than he was when he came into the league. Fading/doubting Lamar’s ability to adapt/grow is a losing proposition.

Would Lamar be good if he was immobile and had to rely entirely on his arm like Joe Flacco? No. But he doesn’t need to be Barry Sanders at QB like he was in his early days. The threat of him recognizing running lanes/reading leverage and beating one man in the open field opens up so much for him. Those aren’t things that will go away even if his raw speed does.

And even if he doesn’t play when he’s 33+, so what? Oh no, we only got a decade of multiple MVPs/historic regular seasons/potential Super Bowls out of the 32nd overall pick, what a disaster!

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17360817)

Yup.

He's gonna still be amazing when he's 33 and doesn't have his legs to create coverage chaos and allow holes in the back end to develop. Because...savant.

That's definitely why the Ravens weren't willing to give him all those guarantees he was asking for, obviously why they were trying to drum up a trade market for him and clearly why they made sure to leave themselves an out in his contract before he turned 30...

Probably because they figured that when he's 30 years old, he'll be looking to get started on his career as an offensive coordinator. That's them just doing him a solid.

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360807)

Calling Lamar dumb because of his accent (literally just a kid from South Florida)/some contrived written exam for draft prospects (which Stroud also bombed)/the fact that he wears a wristband (Tom Brady did too) is a tired trope.

It’s especially funny because this article came out today from
the Washington Post: “Lamar Jackson’s vision and intellect have unlocked the Ravens offense” (washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/01/18/lamar-jackson-ravens-offense/). In it, people who engage with football on a professional level call him a savant. But sure, Chiefsplanet posters don’t like the way he talks in the postgame.

Lamar is an all-time player not just because of the accolades like Hesiman trophy winner and 2x MVP, but also because what he’s doing is revolutionary. He has been a large factor in ushering in a new era of QB play. And he’s not a Greek God like Cam Newton or Anthony Richardson; I think his speed is even a bit overstated. He does it because of his processing/vision. Maybe not the type of processing Peyton Manning did, but processing of leverage, running lanes, whether to keep or give in the RPO. And this to smashing success. What makes that less than? He needs the title to cement it, so here’s to hoping.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17360835)

Many of those teams WERE weighted DVOA standouts, though.


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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17360833)

Not sure you're taking into account how many all out blitzes he'll see by then and the ensuing offensive meetings with the QB coach... his FBIQ will be through the roof.

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360830)

Lamar has improved every single year of his career. He is exponentially better as a passer now than he was when he came into the league. Fading/doubting Lamar’s ability to adapt/grow is a losing proposition.

Would Lamar be good if he was immobile and had to rely entirely on his arm like Joe Flacco? No. But he doesn’t need to be Barry Sanders at QB like he was in his early days. The threat of him recognizing running lanes/reading leverage and beating one man in the open field opens up so much for him. Those aren’t things that will go away even if his raw speed does.

And even if he doesn’t play when he’s 33+, so what? Oh no, we only got a decade of multiple MVPs/historic regular seasons/potential Super Bowls out of the 32nd overall pick, what a disaster! The Ravens will reinvent themselves as they have multiple times before and be right back in it. Unlike some franchises, the Ravens have shown they’re more than just a QB/coach.

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17360842)

and half your fans didn't want to sign him... that was weird. Although many will never admit it this year.

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17360841)

If he’s still amazing without being able to use his legs, why not just turn him into Tom Brady now so he can play into his 40’s?

Why allow him to have the 6th most rushing attempts in a season by a QB in NFL history this year?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17360839)

But he's a football savant.

I'm sure he'll become Tom Brady as his legs go. I mean - the Ravens very clearly don't think that's the case, but the Washington Post said it so it must be true.

Savant. Not my words, mind you - the brilliant minds at WaPo came up with that one. Off the assurances of "people who engage with football on a professional level" - I mean, that kind of professional engagement of football simply cannot be argued with.

Definitely not getting by on freakish athleticism that sets the Madden sliders on Rookie level for him.

Originally Posted by Reroka (Post 17360809)

The chiefs hold the dolphins under 30 in both game and they had the best offense in the nfl. The ravens who has the 6th ranked offense is going to drop over 30 on the chiefs? That just a little disrespectful to the Chiefs defense. The ravens are only 1st in rushing offense.