Could someone tell me what kind of 12 gauge they find in the trunk of this Russian mafia bust at 2:12?

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Looks like a VEPR 12 to me.

Thank you, sir. :thumb:

Interesting weapon.

Yep, it's a Molot VEPR 12. You can tell the difference by the mag well.


Normal Saiga's don't have a mag well, and are a pain in the ass to swap mags. VEPRs are as easy as swapping an AR mag.

Didn't some one on here just get a deal on a vepr?

Who?


This guy?


:D

Notorious, If you don't mind me asking... What would you consider a decent deal on a VEPR?

I have seen them on ARMSLIST anywhere from 1,000-2,000.

I was also wondering this.

www.classicfirearms.com

They are $1k here.

Staying at the Las Vegas hotel where the 2015 Shot Show is located. Tried to walk in and was turned away. $350 for a floor pass. Too much.

Ah well, so much for the ultimate gun show. I was hoping to buy an anti-tank gun or something like a LAW rocket launcher.

For home defense I'd just get a XDM...no need to go small if that's what you're using it for. Obviously this doesn't apply if you're planning on carrying it also. If that's the case, XDS.

On sale at Atlantic Firearms for $939.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/comp....html?Itemid=0

I'll just leave this here:

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I got my Vepr from aimsurplus for 799.


Great deal.

Is it really only going to be distributed by Cheaper Than Dirt??

yah, that sucks. Plus, it's pretty expensive too. I'm ok with a $300 pump action Mossberg or 870... but those two barrels and 14 rounds are pretty cool.

I've been ignoring a ksg or uts purchase for a long time, but this looks pretty awesome to me. I hunt with over and unders quite a bit and the quick double tap in front of a single pump seems like it would be a lot of fun and a nice home defense gun.

I'd really like to hold one though as I can't tell if the stock is long or if that first guy is a midget.

Palmetto has some cheap buckshot on sale again.

Estate 00 buck for $6.99 per 25-round box.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...ds-1127n0.html

Still believe this about the xds 45?

What upgrades did you add?

Talon grips worth it?

CCW holster or pocket protector?

Is this worth the upgrage: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...0%22+%40+50ft+

Local dealer offered one yesterday for $499. Was not in the budget, but seriously considering "pulling the trigger" on this.

$499 is a good price.


I use a Versa Carry since it it small and easy to conceal. I am fit with little pudge so it was hard to find a good holster.


I didn't get any upgrades since it is pretty much perfect for me as is.

My father gave me an extended mag, which would be nice for the range or if you are going to use it for home defense.

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.6080...3&pid=15.1&P=0

Here is a Versa Carry for .45ACP

http://www.amazon.com/Versacarry-IWB...rds=versacarry

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...7L._SX425_.jpg

XDS .45 for $439 from Grab-a-Gun.

http://grabagun.com/springfield-xds-...-pack-5rd.html

XDS 9mm for $399.

http://grabagun.com/springfield-xds-...-pack-7rd.html

What about one of these, the accuracy of an AR... with the reliability and stopping power of an AK.

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Many have tried to merge a 7.62x39 with the AR and failed.

I dont know much about them, just seen an article talking about them the other day... sounds like a great idea, atleast on paper.

http://aliengearholsters.com/

I have a few over these holsters..love them

Had a nice "handgun only" range trip today.

from L to R:

Glock G19
Springfield EMP 1911 9mm
S&W 686 .357 4" barrel

Even though I was only shooting .38 Special through the revolver, I couldn't believe how accurate it was. I was hitting the 10 ring at 30 ft and 50 ft. And the strange this was that I shot it better in double action than in single action.

is that a gen 4 Glock? I've never seen a glock in that color.

Yup. It has the Flat Dark Earth frame.

I don't know if this is the right thread for this, but I'm going to post it anyway. Or perhaps I should start a thread to talk about things like gun control, conceal carry, etc.

This has been around a few years but I still enjoy watching it.

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I am shocked that ABC made that video.

I have never understood why people think criminals will obey the law and not get a gun then not use it to commit a crime

I understand why.


They are dumbasses.

I get the dumbass part..I just can't wrap my head around the lack of common sense

I've been wanting a Kimber ultra Crimson carry ii for quite a while but don't really care for the two tone finish

I just saw they have a new 2015 model eclispe ultra carry ii which has the Crimson trace grip. Now, I just gotta find about 1700 for it ROFL

http://www.kimberamerica.com/1911/ec...se-ultra-ii-lg

Kimbers are nice, and I agree, I have never been a fan of two-tone guns.

I think Sig did a pretty damn good job of it.
Happenned to be my first big rifle purchase (thanks to some encouragement by this thread just after Sandy Hook happenned).

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I think this is as good as any thread to post this.

I'm heading out to Colorado to do some skiing and some hiking. I'm concerned about being in the wilderness during our hike and would like to bring a firearm to provide some protection against any wildlife that may pose a danger to me. Anyone familiar with Colorado gun laws? I'm worried about capacity limits as my pistol holds 19 rounds. I'm not interested in carrying it in any populated areas, just while I'm hiking. Any advice would be appreciated.

Colorado has open carry and they have CCW reciprocatity with quite a few states. If you have ccw just google whatever state you have it in with reciprocatity laws.

If they have open carry, I'm not worried about CCW. I only want to have it for the hiking portion of my trip. Any idea on the capacity limits?

Call the police and ask them directly.


Denver is the only strange place to worry about, and even then they aren't that far out of whack.

I know they are limited to 10 round mags for things like an AR/AK but other than that I'm not sure.

Denver PD told me that +10 is completely legal.


If your mag was purchased before a certain date you are good to go. Don't try to sell in inside the border, though! :D


When I talked to the local PD he told me it was completely legal to transport my AR-10's through town as long as I didn't have a round chambered. I took it a step further and separated the mags and locked the carrying cases.

I also took down his name, and time of call just in case.

Yeah that's not a bad call. LMAO

There's an app for smart phones that has good info on it.

I have to admit, when we left the city limit I let out a small sigh of relief. :)

What kind of pistol care you packing? I'm just guessing if it holds 19 rounds you aren't killing very many "life threatening" critters outside of a possum or squirrel. :)

Seriously, I would say nothing less than a .357. I mean what is going to be a threat while hiking? A bear or mountain lion. I guess if you cross a moose in rut you'll need to be tree climbing.

I will defer to Bwana on all of this but if you try popping a charging bear with a 9mm you might as well just pour some BBQ sauce on you for the bear.

As I understand it, you can open-carry your firearm in CO State Parks as long as you can legally own a firearm. Also you can carry high capacity magazines if you are from out of state. The 10 round limit only applies to CO residence. But I would double check all of that.

Its a 9 mm. I know its not going to take down a bear or wolf or anything, but its better than relying on my hands. We're hiking deep enough help won't be around the corner, and I would just feel better having some protection. One of the few times I've actually had regrets about not having the .45.

And thank you every one for the feed back. I know that I'll need to confirm all this with local PD, but its good no one has come out and said "no you can't do that."

I don't blame you for carrying but again a 9mm isn't dropping anything but a human save maybe a small wolf. You hit a bear with a 9mm and most likely you'll just piss it off. Feeling safe and being safe are two different things. I mean if you really want to be protected from something that can make you dinner I would look at nothing less than a .357. I'm pretty sure Bwana packs a 500 S&W has his bear protection, which is overkill for the casual backwoodser, but none the less.

Actually it used to be in Estes Park and parks in California that you could not carry firearms. They changed that law a few years ago and I believe all State Parks must allow open-carry provided you are legally able to carry. IIRC, there is NO CCW in State Parks.

Don't have a pistol larger. Hope there are no bears.

I would be less worried about bears really than anything. Just make plenty of noise while you walk, stay on trail and you should be safe. As long as you don't walk up on some cubs. Then start backtracking slow but quickly.

I'd say it's the mountain lions you have to worry about since they are sneaky-sneaky. And like I said, I've always been told a male moose in rut is the absolute last thing you ever want to encounter.

I've also heard of people carrying "pepper bells" when they hike. Bears do not like capsaicin which is what is in bear spray. Take that for what it's worth.

If you get some nasty self-defense ammo (which you should already have), a 9mm will pack as much punch as a regular .45. You won't be seeing any Grizzlies. :D

Which, depending on the critter of course, still isn't enough, imo. Going into bear country, I want something that will drop a bear or least give me a good chance at dropping a bear. If I can drop a bear I am probably going to be able to drop anything else, maybe.

Might as well go to a 44 or .357 mag minimum or carry a shotgun loaded with slugs.

I'd say .357 mag. I think it's easier to be more accurate than a 44. Although you pose an interesting bogle...:hmmm:
I'm not carrying a shotgun along with my backpack...sidearm only. Wife won't let me get a .500 or at least says that's not worth it......

Solution: Both






:D

I mean we are talking safety, yes???? :thumb:

I have been thinking about a S&W 686 for some time now.


Thanks a lot Pete.

Just go full Rick Grimes and get a Python to get every fps out of the .357.

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Hydra shocks and the Critical Defense Ammo actually work pretty good..you hit something 2-4 times with that it will ruin somethings day..but I would try to go bigger if possible

Oh I can tell you first hand it's worth it.

Bear mace is more effective

LMAO

Nice looking, for sure. But $1700? Ouch.

Rep

Bear Mace??

1. Bear must be closer than you ever want it to be
2. You had better not be standing down wind when you pull the trigger or you're really ****ed

http://www.americansurvivorgear.com/...306#googlebase

Just buy about 4 of these and you will be unstoppable

It only applies to the purchase of new magazines and since magazines are not date stamped....

you aren't running into too many bears in the Colorado front range - the sound alone would scare the hell out of most except a protective mother. a 9mm easily would take down a mountain lion. Just gotta be a good shot on a moving target ;)

Not true.

Title 18: Colorado allows a person to carry a firearm in a vehicle if its use is for lawful protection of such person or another's person or property. [C.R.S. 18-12-105(2)] Colorado law also allows a person to possess a handgun in a dwelling, place of business, or automobile. However, when you carry the weapon into your home, business, hotel room, etc. it must be in plain view. Local jurisdictions may not enact laws that restrict a person's ability to travel with a weapon. [C.R.S. 18-12-105.6] The Act permits the nationwide carrying of concealed handguns by qualified current and retired law enforcement officers and amends the Gun Control Act of 1968 (Pub. L. 90-618, 82 Stat. 1213) to exempt qualified current and retired law enforcement officers from state and local laws prohibiting the carry of concealed firearms.

Title 33: In accordance with Colorado wildlife laws, including C.R.S. 33-6-125, you may carry a weapon in your vehicle. However it is unlawful for any person, except a person authorized by law or by the division, to possess or have under his control any firearm, other than a pistol or revolver, in or on any motor vehicle unless the chamber of such firearm is unloaded. A "muzzle-loader" shall be considered unloaded if it is not primed, and, for such purpose, "primed" means having a percussion cap on the nipple or flint in the striker and powder in the flash pan.

Is it legal to carry a weapon in Colorado National Forests?
While visiting National Forests in Colorado, you may carry a weapon. However, in addition to state laws, you must comply with Federal Regulations pertaining to the use of a firearm on National Forest System lands.
A firearm may not be discharged in the following National Forest areas:
1. Within 150 yards of a residence, building, campsite, developed recreation site, or occupied area; or
2. Across or on a Forest Development road or an adjacent body of water, or in any manner or place whereby any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge; or
3. Into or within any cave. [36 CFR 261.10 (d)]
Some forest or districts have additional restrictions on discharging a firearm. You are advised to check with the authorities in the areas you will be visiting.

:cuss:

It appears that the ATF is banning M855/SS109 5.56 NATO ammo. They now consider it "armor piercing" because of the small amount of steel in the tip of the projectile.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2015...mon-ar-15-ammo

The panic buying has already begun. If you want the green tip 5.56, grab some before prices skyrocket, or every place runs out of stock.

Armor piercing? LMAO Did they slip in some tungsten when no one was looking. What a bunch of slap dicks.

We always said that once the Libs got their shit pushed in over their attempted bans that they would go after ammo by using different avenues.

A .19 per round deal on AK ammo if you buy 2K rounds. With shipping to Montana it came up to just over .21 per round which is a good deal.

http://www.jgsales.com/7.62x39-wpa-w....-p-81338.html

No doubt, but to call these rounds "armor piercing" is a complete joke. I have a bunch laying around and don't care for them at all. I have tested some out on steel plates and they are next to useless.