Originally Posted by themanwithnoname (Post 9782192)

But hey, yeah let's buy into the Chiefs way of doing the same thing and expecting different results. :banghead:


Hey, great to have optimism, but calling people idiots for being able to see a recurring pattern of mediocrity and failure is just well, stupid.

Originally Posted by themanwithnoname (Post 9782192)

Awesome you prop up your argument by citing what is by far proven throughout the history of the league as the far less successful way of building a team. ROFL

Drafting and developing your own QB accounts for what ~75% of Super Bowl winners? And the rest almost all either were from a very different era or had one off success (like the Ravens and Bucs both of which needed exceptional defense). Brees is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that actually won one that is comparable to the Alex Smith situation, and that required a lot. Brees stepped up his game so dramatically coming off a serious injury. Smith already had a serious injury and did not come back any better, and certainly nowhere close to the improvement that Brees showed.

Your argument is like the idiots that cite some "scientists" that don't believe in something like evolution. Of course if you compare the numbers of them to the opposite then you see just how stupid it is to use them as an argument.

Brady, Aikman, Elway, Favre, Rogers, Roethlisberger, Manning, Manning, Montana, Young, Starr, Naimath, Bradshaw, Staubach, Namath, Griese, Stabler, Flacco...do I really need to continue?

I'd have to check but I think even just making the Super Bowl would have a similar ratio.

But hey, yeah let's buy into the Chiefs way of doing the same thing and expecting different results. :banghead:



Granted I haven't read all the posts but I don't see anyone saying they haven't gotten any better, but most people seem to accept that they really haven't done enough to actually move towards seriously competing for a championship. And short of Alex Smith having his skin grafted over an android, anything that will get them where they want to go (Super Bowl) will require years of development (although if we get lucky maybe that has already started via either Bray or Stanzi but I'm not holding my breath; that's still the most interesting thing to me though is if either of them can make enough improvement to push for becoming the starter).

And what happens if the negative "idiots" are right? Oh let me guess you'll be all for "giving them a chance" to the next QB/coach/etc. Hey, great to have optimism, but calling people idiots for being able to see a recurring pattern of mediocrity and failure is just well, stupid.

Originally Posted by themanwithnoname (Post 9782192)

Awesome you prop up your argument by citing what is by far proven throughout the history of the league as the far less successful way of building a team. ROFL

Originally Posted by themanwithnoname (Post 9782192)

Drafting and developing your own QB accounts for what ~75% of Super Bowl winners? And the rest almost all either were from a very different era or had one off success (like the Ravens and Bucs both of which needed exceptional defense). Brees is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that actually won one that is comparable to the Alex Smith situation, and that required a lot. Brees stepped up his game so dramatically coming off a serious injury. Smith already had a serious injury and did not come back any better, and certainly nowhere close to the improvement that Brees showed.

Originally Posted by themanwithnoname (Post 9782192)

Your argument is like the idiots that cite some "scientists" that don't believe in something like evolution. Of course if you compare the numbers of them to the opposite then you see just how stupid it is to use them as an argument.

Originally Posted by themanwithnoname (Post 9782192)

Brady, Aikman, Elway, Favre, Rogers, Roethlisberger, Manning, Manning, Montana, Young, Starr, Naimath, Bradshaw, Staubach, Namath, Griese, Stabler, Flacco...do I really need to continue?

Originally Posted by themanwithnoname (Post 9782192)

But hey, yeah let's buy into the Chiefs way of doing the same thing and expecting different results. :banghead:

Originally Posted by themanwithnoname (Post 9782192)

And what happens if the negative "idiots" are right? Oh let me guess you'll be all for "giving them a chance" to the next QB/coach/etc. Hey, great to have optimism, but calling people idiots for being able to see a recurring pattern of mediocrity and failure is just well, stupid.

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9782303)

What is stupid is people calling themselves fans.. seeing so many changes to key positions.. and yet giving up before football even begins. Whether those people turn out to be right or wrong is fairly irrelevant. The bottom line is.. they are prematurely quitting on their team.

Just imagine for a moment that both "sides" here were surrounded in Arrowhead by the KC GM, coaches and players. Now which side would the GM, coaches, and players respect as fans?

Thing is... no one is demanding blind homerism here. In truth, if the Chiefs had the EXACT same coaches and players going into this season? I can see a reason to feel deflated.. defeated. But that's just clearly not the situation... and that is why the truly open-minded, loyal Chiefs fans are either taking a wait-n-see approach..or even finding a level of optimism in their team being rather good.

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 9782144)

Please explain this efficiency you speak of.
You talkin about drops? Ypr? Yac?
How do you go about this breakdown?

Originally Posted by BigBeauford (Post 9782580)

Fans paying money for merchandising, game day seats, ect can be as critical as they want. We are not obligated to kiss anyone in the FO's ass. We do not have to shut up on a BB, that is just ****ing stupid and the board is worse for the lack of debate. Truth be told, only Maverick has supplied any kind of decent arguments in favor of Smith. Calling detractors who come up with stats, and historical references idiots makes you look like jackasses.

Originally Posted by DaneMc****

The biggest Smith the detractor is a dumb **** that breaks federal law each and every by pirating video

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9782592)

Who the **** are you? Which of these people you speak of are season ticket holders? The biggest Smith the detractor is a dumb **** that breaks federal law each and every by pirating video, editing it and sharing it with anyone that will watch it.

You want to be critical? Fine. But your argument doesn't hold an ounce of water if it's based on the actions of past coaches and administrations.

That's just lazy and dumb.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9782592)

Who the **** are you?Which of these people you speak of are season ticket holders? The biggest Smith the detractor is a dumb **** that breaks federal law each and every by pirating video, editing it and sharing it with anyone that will watch it.

You want to be critical? Fine. But your argument doesn't hold an ounce of water if it's based on the actions of past coaches and administrations.

That's just lazy and dumb.

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9782587)

Yes

guy averaged 3.7 YAC and was targeted about 120 times and caught 60 balls.

I just dont consider that efficient. McCluster and Baldwin contributed more with Cassel/Brady Quinn, I think those two would have put up similar numbers with Luck throwing to them last season instead of the garbage they had to deal with.

Why else would the Colts let him walk and replace him with Darius Heyward Bey.

Ty Hilton also passed him very quickly statistically as the season progressed, though Hilton plays the slot, the reads definitely ended up changing.

So by the end of the year he was the fourth maybe even fifth option. There were games were he was targeted 12 to 14 times and he come away with 3 or 4 ****ing catches. That's horrible in my opinion. If he gets targeted that many times in a Chiefs game and only has 3 catches to show for it I'll be screaming at my television.

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9782587)

Yes

guy averaged 3.7 YAC and was targeted about 120 times and caught 60 balls.

I just dont consider that efficient. McCluster and Baldwin contributed more with Cassel/Brady Quinn, I think those two would have put up similar numbers with Luck throwing to them last season instead of the garbage they had to deal with.

Why else would the Colts let him walk and replace him with Darius Heyward Bey.

Ty Hilton also passed him very quickly statistically as the season progressed, though Hilton plays the slot, the reads definitely ended up changing.

So by the end of the year he was the fourth maybe even fifth option. There were games were he was targeted 12 to 14 times and he come away with 3 or 4 ****ing catches. That's horrible in my opinion. If he gets targeted that many times in a Chiefs game and only has 3 catches to show for it I'll be screaming at my television.

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9782595)

LMAO

Dane's butthurt is so strong, his english is failing him.