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ghak99 03-21-2015 11:19 AM

Does anyone know if the DP-12 is going to be one of the talked about but never found ghosts or if they're actually going to hit the shelves?

I've found a cheapish ksg but would really rather wait for the DP-12 if they're actually going to exist and be available.

Bwana 03-22-2015 12:21 PM

Heh a new way to light the BBQ?

The XM42™ is the world's first commercially available handheld flamethrower on the market.

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2015/03/the...-in-49-states/

kepp 03-23-2015 07:06 AM

I was able to take out my Mosin Nagant M44 for the first time this weekend. That thing is a blast...it really makes some noise. I was actually decently accurate with it. I like the sights.

I also picked up my XDs on Friday and was able to shoot it as well. I tagged a beer can at about 15 yards with my first shot.

kcfanXIII 03-23-2015 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kepp (Post 11399034)
I was able to take out my Mosin Nagant M44 for the first time this weekend. That thing is a blast...it really makes some noise. I was actually decently accurate with it. I like the sights.

I also picked up my XDs on Friday and was able to shoot it as well. I tagged a beer can at about 15 yards with my first shot.

I have an XDm 9mm that would shoot the fleas off a dog's back. I haven't shot the XDs yet, but since it is Springfield Armory, I'm not surprised its a quality gun. I might have to get to the range this week just to blow off steam.

stevieray 03-23-2015 10:16 AM

Just picked up a Ruger Mark II.

Perineum Ripper 03-23-2015 10:17 AM

http://hk-usa.com/hk-models/hk45-tactical/

Do any of you guys have a H&K..looking into buying this one but I don't remember ever shooting one..looking for thoughts and opinions

ChiefRocka 03-24-2015 01:21 PM

Just picked up the PPQ M1 from Gunbroker. Good deal @475

Raiderhater 03-26-2015 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mac459 (Post 11399306)
http://hk-usa.com/hk-models/hk45-tactical/

Do any of you guys have a H&K..looking into buying this one but I don't remember ever shooting one..looking for thoughts and opinions

I have the USP Compact .45 and I love it. Glock gets all of the love, but H&K is every bit as durable and dependable. Unless it just does not fit your hand, you will not be disappointed.

SAUTO 03-26-2015 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mac459 (Post 11399306)
http://hk-usa.com/hk-models/hk45-tactical/

Do any of you guys have a H&K..looking into buying this one but I don't remember ever shooting one..looking for thoughts and opinions

I have a usp, and the hk tactical. Both in .45. Both shoot great. Probably my favorite guns to shoot that I own other than my .22 rifle lol.

bdj23 03-28-2015 10:02 AM

Next gun on my list is an HK 45

rockymtnchief 03-28-2015 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 11399304)
Just picked up a Ruger Mark II.

:clap:
I have a Mark I that I've owned for 35 years and still love it like I did the day I got it.

98 SR20 03-28-2015 11:07 PM

I bought a Springfield Armory 1911 Mil-Spec last Tuesday. It's in 10 day gun jail right now. California blows when it comes to buying firearms.

notorious 03-29-2015 07:00 AM

10 days?


JFC. I can walk into a store right now and walk out with a handgun in 10 minutes!

TambaBerry 03-29-2015 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 11408881)
10 days?


JFC. I can walk into a store right now and walk out with a handgun in 10 minutes!

I did this the other day

BigOlChiefsfan 03-29-2015 02:54 PM

Sing it with me! "I wish gun laws weren't written by California girls (California girls!) I wish their gun laws weren't written by California girls (California girls!) It's like moocows blaming steak knives when they get turned into steak. If you like guns, in Califory-ya you just can't catch a break. I've been all around this big old country, traveled without pause. I can damsure wait to go back to the state with the goofiest dumb gun laws. (refrain)

Munson 03-29-2015 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 98 SR20 (Post 11408760)
I bought a Springfield Armory 1911 Mil-Spec last Tuesday. It's in 10 day gun jail right now. California blows when it comes to buying firearms.


Good choice. I've had a Mil Spec for a couple years.

And f*** the 10 day waiting period!

bigjosh 03-29-2015 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 98 SR20 (Post 11408760)
I bought a Springfield Armory 1911 Mil-Spec last Tuesday. It's in 10 day gun jail right now. California blows when it comes to buying firearms.

I rented this last time i was at the range. 3 inch group at 25yds. ****ing beautiful machine. What did you get it for if u dont mind me asking?

2bikemike 03-29-2015 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 11408881)
10 days?


JFC. I can walk into a store right now and walk out with a handgun in 10 minutes!

The State was sued to end the 10 day wait for those who already own firearms. Kind of silly to have a waiting period for folks who are current owners. The suit was successful but the Witch Kamala Harris is fighting it and dragging her feet to implement the changes.

So hopefully one day in the near future I will be able to walk in and out with a new firearm of my choice.

bigjosh 03-29-2015 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2bikemike (Post 11409974)
The State was sued to end the 10 day wait for those who already own firearms. Kind of silly to have a waiting period for folks who are current owners. The suit was successful but the Witch Kamala Harris is fighting it and dragging her feet to implement the changes.

So hopefully one day in the near future I will be able to walk in and out with a new firearm of my choice.

We have 7 day wait on any firearm in RI. Its stupid. This state sucks

crazycoffey 03-29-2015 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mac459 (Post 11399306)
http://hk-usa.com/hk-models/hk45-tactical/

Do any of you guys have a H&K..looking into buying this one but I don't remember ever shooting one..looking for thoughts and opinions

I really like H&K. I used to carry a p7m13 on duty in Texas. And just bought an earlier addition of it today. The differences are in the May release and the capacity, but both have the floating barrel, the squeeze cock charging mechanics and the untraditional forged "twisted" barrel instead of normal rifling.

One just like it is on a gun site with a current bid of 1100, I got this beaut waaaaaay cheaper. Only put a few rounds through it but very excited. It very well may become my new off duty/concealed carry.

98 SR20 03-30-2015 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bigjosh006 (Post 11409770)
I rented this last time i was at the range. 3 inch group at 25yds. ****ing beautiful machine. What did you get it for if u dont mind me asking?

It was on sale for $699, stainless version too. After the tax and dros I paid $789 and change. I also had to get a new FSC that cost $25.

driver2 03-30-2015 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bigjosh006 (Post 11409770)
I rented this last time i was at the range. 3 inch group at 25yds. ****ing beautiful machine. What did you get it for if u dont mind me asking?

Not to shabby, considering you never held it before. You need your own though, get the trigger and bushing done and you should be able to cut that group in half. Well maybe down to 2 inches.

notorious 03-30-2015 05:53 AM

699 for a quality 1911 is an outstanding price.

InChiefsHeaven 03-30-2015 06:23 AM

Finally got my Taurus 24\7 compact last week. Put about 150 rounds through it, and I'm very happy. A couple of times the slide wouldn't close all the way, but it's in the break in period so I'm not concerned. No jams at all.

It has a Double Action pull for the first round then resets to single...which is a bit of a problem for me getting used to the trigger pull. My first shot is off the mark but subsequent shots are pretty good. Also, I thought the sites were off since it was consistently shooting low and to the left, but a buddy of mine mentioned that I might be rolling the trigger to the left. Also, it's a shorter barrel than I'm used to, and it turns out I was holding it kinda wrong.

By the end of shooting, I was getting much better groupings at 25 feet. The kick is not too bad for a short barrel in a .45.

In short, I have to keep shooting it to get used to it, but it's a great gun, especially for the price. It comes with a 10 round and 12 round extended mag, and a mag speed loader, which is quite the thumb saver. Never used one before, but it's great.

Awesome gun. I can't wait to get out and shoot it again!

Munson 04-03-2015 10:00 AM

Kansas legalizes constitutional carry, effective July 1st!

http://www.kansascity.com/news/gover...e17232419.html

Quote:

Brownback signs bill that allows permit-free concealed carry of guns in Kansas
BY BRYAN LOWRYTHE KANSAS CITY STAR

TOPEKA - Kansans soon can carry concealed weapons without permits or training under a bill signed by Gov. Sam Brownback on Thursday.

The new law, which kicks in July 1, makes Kansas the sixth state to allow “constitutional carry.” It will allow Kansans 21 and older to carry concealed firearms regardless of whether they have obtained a permit.

Training still will be required for anyone who wants to carry a concealed gun in the 36 states that accept Kansas permits.

Brownback touted the importance of training, explaining that his youngest son took a hunter safety course this past week.

“It was an excellent course. He got a lot out of it. I got a lot out of it. And I want to urge people to take advantage of that,” said Brownback, who was flanked by Republican lawmakers and representatives from the National Rifle Association and Kansas State Rifle Association.

Asked why he did not think training should be required if it is valuable, Brownback said carrying a gun is a constitutional right.

“We’re saying that if you want to do that in this state, then you don’t have to get the permission slip from the government,” Brownback said. “It is a constitutional right, and we’re removing a barrier to that right.”

Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau, a Wichita Democrat, said she has concerns about safety, noting that law enforcement officials raised concerns about the lack of training.

“That’s a major responsibility to carry a gun, whether it’s concealed or not. And it’s scary,” Faust-Goudeau said. “I predict from the legislation that — and it’s going to go quick, it’s going to be July 1 — we’re going to see some accidents, possibly deaths.”

Rep. Travis Couture-Lovelady, a Republican from north-central Kansas, said the state had no significant problems with public safety since adopting concealed carry in 2006. He predicted the latest expansion would have little impact.

“We haven’t had any of the Wild West shootouts. We haven’t had any of the blood running in the streets that folks feared,” Couture-Lovelady said, adding that he did not attribute that to the training requirement.

“Training is an ongoing, personal responsibility. It’s not something the government can mandate,” he said. “… It’s not a ‘one size fits all’ when you talk about the lifestyle of carrying a gun.”

About 87,000 people hold concealed-carry permits in Kansas, according to the attorney general’s office. More than 17,000 of them are in Sedgwick County.

One of the most vocal critics of the legislation, Bill Warren, holds a concealed-carry permit. He has expressed concern about the safety impact on his Wichita movie theaters if people who have not gone through training bring in guns.

He probably will prohibit guns in his theaters.

“My No. 1 priority is the safety of our customers, and after we talk to our security we will make a decision before it’s enacted,” Warren, who donated and hosted events for Brownback’s gubernatorial campaign, said Thursday. “It makes things for the general population less safe.”

Patricia Stoneking, president of the Kansas State Rifle Association, praised the governor as a strong supporter of the Second Amendment.

Stoneking said the signing of the bill was the culmination of a 10-year plan by the group. She said the inclusion of the training requirement in the 2006 concealed-carry bill was “political horse trading” and said it was a compromise necessary to pass the legislation at that time.

Looking ahead, she said she wants to see one more major change: lowering the age to carry a concealed weapon to 18.

“Eighteen-year-olds are allowed to open carry, and they go to war and put their lives on the line to protect this country,” Stoneking said. “I believe we can lower the age to 18 at some point in the future. I think after everybody sees that there are not going to be any of the dire predictions coming true, and they relax a little bit, then we can talk about that.”

MeaTy The Pimp 04-03-2015 01:09 PM

I am sure that this may have already been covered, however, I am not going to go back through almost 500 pages to find out, but I am thinking about getting into reloading. Most likely 2.23 to try to keep my ARs fed, but may try a few other calibers as well. Can anyone direct me to some good reloading info on the web, or have any knowledge that they want to impart? Equipment reccomendations, etc...

Tombstone RJ 04-04-2015 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munson (Post 11416964)
Kansas legalizes constitutional carry, effective July 1st!

http://www.kansascity.com/news/gover...e17232419.html

:thumb:

Kyle DeLexus 04-04-2015 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munson (Post 11416964)
Kansas legalizes constitutional carry, effective July 1st!

http://www.kansascity.com/news/gover...e17232419.html

Well looks like I wasted a couple hundred bucks when I got my permit. At least I can still carry across the state line if I ever venture over to Missouri.

notorious 04-04-2015 07:15 PM

Midwayusa.com has Daniel Defense Lite rails on sale, and they also put Midwest SS-II Dark Earth carbine rails on sale.

If you need a buffer tube complete assembly, Palmetto has them on sale for $29, which is criminally cheap.

Lzen 04-05-2015 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 11418964)
Well looks like I wasted a couple hundred bucks when I got my permit. At least I can still carry across the state line if I ever venture over to Missouri.

Ha ha, yep. I just went through the process last Fall. I could have just waited a few months. Oh well, I like the fact that I can cc in other states legally. For that reason, I plan to maintain my CCL.

Tylerthigpen!1! 04-05-2015 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munson (Post 11416964)
Kansas legalizes constitutional carry, effective July 1st!

http://www.kansascity.com/news/gover...e17232419.html

Seems like a bad idea. The one thing I learned from my CCW class was that shooting someone is a legal pain in the ass. People need to forced to learn CCW laws.

Lzen 04-05-2015 04:25 PM

Anyone know much about Brown Bear or Tula ammo? Lady at Walmart said if you like your gun, you don't buy Tula.

I just picked up a VZ2008 and need to get some ammo.

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Lzen 04-05-2015 04:42 PM

I just priced buying ten 20 round boxes of Wolf 7.62X39 (.24/rd plus $15 shipping) at $62 at Ammunition depot. But I can buy the same amount of Tulammo at Walmart locally for $3 less after taxes. Any opinions?

notorious 04-05-2015 05:39 PM

Never had a problem with either, just clean your gun if you don't have a chrome-lined barrel.

Bwana 04-05-2015 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 11420428)
I just priced buying ten 20 round boxes of Wolf 7.62X39 (.24/rd plus $15 shipping) at $62 at Ammunition depot. But I can buy the same amount of Tulammo at Walmart locally for $3 less after taxes. Any opinions?

It's not like an AR, you can shoot anything out of them and they will work fine. We burned 120 rounds of Tulammo Friday out of my AK they worked great. I've also got wolf, Red Army and pulled the trigger on another 1000 rounds Barnaul last night. That will put me at 5000 rounds which is where I like to be on the low end of things.

T-Town 04-05-2015 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 11420401)
Anyone know much about Brown Bear or Tula ammo? Lady at Walmart said if you like your gun, you don't buy Tula.

I just picked up a VZ2008 and need to get some ammo.

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I bought a few boxes of Brown Bear 9mm a few months ago, didn't know much about em but for $11.99 a box figured it couldn't be that bad for range ammo (I shot Silver Bear before). Took some to the range and got through about 20 and a casing got stuck in the barrel, jammed the extractor and locked the slide closed. I'm not sure if it had to do with the lacquer coating or what, but I won't shoot it anymore and need to figure out how to get rid of the rest of it.

Lzen 04-05-2015 06:18 PM

Ok thanks guys. You pretty much confirmed what I thought. I shouldn't have a problem shooting the rusky ammo through the Vz2008. But I won't risk it for my pistols.

Delaney37 04-06-2015 11:55 AM

FYI...got an email notice these are in stock.


http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/GUN-DP12

TribalElder 04-06-2015 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delaney37 (Post 11421260)
FYI...got an email notice these are in stock.


http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/GUN-DP12

I would like to get a saiga with some barrel clips

ghak99 04-06-2015 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delaney37 (Post 11421260)
FYI...got an email notice these are in stock.


http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/GUN-DP12

If I don't win the KSG I'm in on I'm afraid I'm going to have to pull the trigger on one of these over priced contraptions.

Bwana 04-06-2015 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghak99 (Post 11422023)
If I don't win the KSG I'm in on I'm afraid I'm going to have to pull the trigger on one of these over priced contraptions.

There are guns I would drop $1400 on but I just can't bring myself to do it with this thing. I have a shotgun that shoots eight rounds and if I can't kill something with 8 rounds I'll grab one of my AR's, my AK or one of my high capacity pistols. Hell if it still isn't dead I'll empty my .500 Smith and Wesson into it.

Munson 04-06-2015 07:39 PM

I'd rather have a VEPR 12 than a KSG. You can get them for $799 brand new.

ghak99 04-06-2015 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 11422190)
There are guns I would drop $1400 on but I just can't bring myself to do it with this thing. I have a shotgun that shoots eight rounds and if I can't kill something with 8 rounds I'll grab one of my AR's, my AK or one of my high capacity pistols. Hell if it still isn't dead I'll empty my .500 Smith and Wesson into it.

I'd really like to see it under 1k and being sold by some other distributor.

It just seems like the perfect home defense gun to me. I greatly prefer the buckshot pattern over a single projectile if I'm in home. The double barrel action seems perfect for miss fires and I can transfer most of the spare ar accessories over to it. I like the looks of the build but it very well could be a pile of shit, who knows.

ghak99 04-06-2015 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munson (Post 11422276)
I'd rather have a VEPR 12 than a KSG. You can get them for $799 brand new.

I have a bit of a semi auto phobia when it comes to defense guns. Even my ARs worry me despite never having any serious issues. Unless something changes, I'm going to be into the ksg for $625 and it looks brand new, but I'm sure I'd enjoy playing with a VEPR. :thumb:

notorious 04-06-2015 09:36 PM

My VEPR is nice, but I would never run paper through the bastard.


Oh, there is a tremendous amount of satisfaction when I unload 10 rounds in a very short time span. I can't imagine doing it with a 25 drum :eek:


Warning, this video will cause instawood:

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driver2 04-07-2015 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 11422190)
There are guns I would drop $1400 on but I just can't bring myself to do it with this thing. I have a shotgun that shoots eight rounds and if I can't kill something with 8 rounds I'll grab one of my AR's, my AK or one of my high capacity pistols. Hell if it still isn't dead I'll empty my .500 Smith and Wesson into it.

I hear you! Although I came across a real reach out and touch rifle at Rocky Mtn. Discount last November. It was a Rem 40x with a 26" bull barrel ,composite fully adjustable stock and a Nikon 4x16x50 mounted. 308 cal. I looked at the tag and felt this sharp stabbing pain in my wallet, I almost did it anyway. Sweet looking rig! Asking price was $3600 plus change.

Bwana 04-07-2015 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghak99 (Post 11422541)
I'd really like to see it under 1k and being sold by some other distributor.

It just seems like the perfect home defense gun to me. I greatly prefer the buckshot pattern over a single projectile if I'm in home. The double barrel action seems perfect for miss fires and I can transfer most of the spare ar accessories over to it. I like the looks of the build but it very well could be a pile of shit, who knows.

I keep a pump Remington 870 shotgun with a tube extender as my go to home defense weapon. I holds 8 rounds of #1 buck, and has a laser and light setup with the pressure switch. I don't know what it is with me, but when it comes to life or death I would rather have a pump over an auto. I guess I have had too many autos jam out in the field hunting over the years. I think I'm still into that thing under $500 and I bet my life on it.

Don't get me wrong I love semi auto shotguns for dinking around and playing, but give me the pump every time with #1 buck for home defense.

ghak99 04-07-2015 12:59 PM

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Picked up a new toy in a trade this morning. Doesn't shoot too bad for a cheap pistol.

Lzen 04-07-2015 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghak99 (Post 11423595)
Picked up a new toy in a trade this morning. Doesn't shoot too bad for a cheap pistol.

Nice. S&W what?

Lzen 04-07-2015 03:32 PM

Oh NVM. Looks like the model is SW9VE.

BigOlChiefsfan 04-07-2015 03:34 PM

Re: shotguns above - I have 12s and 20s, and like the 20 indoors for a reason. Mas Ayoob has some thoughts. http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob120.html

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch...594D54&index=3

Trivers 04-11-2015 11:28 AM

For the reloader experts:

Is this a good deal? He is asking $1275.

Dillon XL650

Great condition.


Items Quantiy Unit Price Total

Xl 650 1 $566.95 $566.95

Case feeder & S Pistol Plate 1 $218.95 $218.95

Case Feederplate ( L Pistol) 1 $38.95 $38.95

Case Feederplate (S Rifle) 1 $38.95 $38.95

Tool Head 5 $27.95 $139.75

Powder Die 10 $11.35 $113.50

Primer Warning System 1 $25.95 $25.95

Caliber Conversion ( 1 Included) 4 $85.95 $343.80

Strong Mount Brackets 1 $45.95 $45.95

Primer Tubes 2 sets 2 $21.95 $43.90

Primer Flip Tray 1 $17.95 $17.95

Aluminum Bullet Tray 1 $41.95 $41.95

Powder Measure & Stand 1 $107.95 $107.95

Maintenance Parts Kit 1 $36.95 $36.95

Spare Indexer & Slide Cam 1 $28.00 $28.00

Roller Handle 1 $40.95 $40.95

Dust Cover 1 $39.95 $39.95


SubTotal $1,890.35

Spare Parts $300.00

Total $2,190.35

bigjosh 04-11-2015 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghak99 (Post 11423595)
Picked up a new toy in a trade this morning. Doesn't shoot too bad for a cheap pistol.

I have this gun in .40
It was my first handgun.

I have had problems with the extractor on mine. Been replaced twice, think it may be on its way out again.

The trigger pull is heavy as hell but it gets lighter after a few hundred rounds.

Mine was nice and broken in, then i sent it back to s&w for an extractor and they put a new trigger in it too. Assholes.

Yesterday at the range the front sight fell off. Its just a cheap piece of plastic that they melt on the inside to hold it in place. So i spent 30 bucks on a fiber optic glock front sight that i am going to make fit.

Also had my cousin put black chrome on the slide since he is a manager at a plating shop. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04...c3ef362ef4.jpg

ghak99 04-11-2015 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjosh006 (Post 11430803)
I have this gun in .40
It was my first handgun.

I have had problems with the extractor on mine. Been replaced twice, think it may be on its way out again.

The trigger pull is heavy as hell but it gets lighter after a few hundred rounds.

Mine was nice and broken in, then i sent it back to s&w for an extractor and they put a new trigger in it too. Assholes.

Yesterday at the range the front sight fell off. Its just a cheap piece of plastic that they melt on the inside to hold it in place. So i spent 30 bucks on a fiber optic glock front sight that i am going to make fit.

Also had my cousin put black chrome on the slide since he is a manager at a plating shop. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04...c3ef362ef4.jpg

Is that a light/laser combo? How do you like it? I'd like to find one that doesn't stick out past the end of the barrel.

bigjosh 04-11-2015 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghak99 (Post 11431620)
Is that a light/laser combo? How do you like it? I'd like to find one that doesn't stick out past the end of the barrel.

Just a light. The sigma rail slots on the frame are proprietary. You have to use a picatinny adapter which is why it sits so low. And i dont have the light slid all the way back cuz it sits poorly against the trigger guard. Its a good light though. Had the same batteries in it since i bought it and its as bright as ever 6 years later.

TinyEvel 04-12-2015 12:54 AM

So, starting July 1st Kansas will not require any training nor permits for concealed carry.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/article18291908.html

Thoughts?

Trivers 04-12-2015 01:36 PM

Made the reloading leap.

Purchased a Lee Classic 4 Stage Turret. Like this: http://ads.midwayusa.com/product/785...ess-deluxe-kit

Seriously consider buying a used Dillon XL 650; but the thought of $1500 even before I made my first round seemed excessive.

Now begins the fun journey of learning what equipment and ammo components to buy to make 300 AAC blackout.

Looking through slickguns.com and gunbot.net for stuff.

What the best tip you can provide to save $$$, keep me from blowing up the AR, or my house??

Where is the best website for equipment, tumbler media, comsumables, etc?

Thanks

Munson 04-12-2015 01:50 PM

If anybody buys a Keltec KSG, make damn sure you have a solid grip on the forearm before firing. In other words, don't be a dumbass.

http://thegunwriter.blogs.heraldtrib...ec-ksg-injury/



Nasty hand injury. Possible NSFW. Do not look if you have a weak stomach.

You have been warned....

Image: Not Safe for Work
NSFW Image

Kyle DeLexus 04-12-2015 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munson (Post 11432374)
If anybody buys a Keltec KSG, make damn sure you have a solid grip on the forearm before firing. In other words, don't be a dumbass.

http://thegunwriter.blogs.heraldtrib...ec-ksg-injury/



Nasty hand injury. Possible NSFW. Do not look if you have a weak stomach.

You have been warned....

Image: Not Safe for Work
NSFW Image

Holy shit.

Bwana 04-12-2015 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munson (Post 11432374)
If anybody buys a Keltec KSG, make damn sure you have a solid grip on the forearm before firing. In other words, don't be a dumbass.

http://thegunwriter.blogs.heraldtrib...ec-ksg-injury/



Nasty hand injury. Possible NSFW. Do not look if you have a weak stomach.

You have been warned....

Image: Not Safe for Work
NSFW Image

That will leave a mark. :eek:

Munson 04-12-2015 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinyEvel (Post 11431948)
So, starting July 1st Kansas will not require any training nor permits for concealed carry.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/article18291908.html

Thoughts?

Without getting political, I'll just say that I fully support constitutional carry.

Perineum Ripper 04-12-2015 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinyEvel (Post 11431948)
So, starting July 1st Kansas will not require any training nor permits for concealed carry.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/article18291908.html

Thoughts?


I would prefer them to require training but make the classes free and just have like a $10 charge for the permit..or something like that..similar to getting your driving license..study up take a test pass it get a little card

The only reason I feel that way is so people carrying know the law and don't get in a lot of trouble for carrying someplace they aren't supposed to or using it in a situation that might get them into trouble

TribalElder 04-12-2015 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinyEvel (Post 11431948)
So, starting July 1st Kansas will not require any training nor permits for concealed carry.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/article18291908.html

Thoughts?

Sam Brownback is a shitstain of a governor

The state of Kansas is completely reeruned for voting for him

Other states will not offer reciprocity for Kansas permit less ccw so **** them anyway

Kyle DeLexus 04-12-2015 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mac459 (Post 11433241)
I would prefer them to require training but make the classes free and just have like a $10 charge for the permit..or something like that..similar to getting your driving license..study up take a test pass it get a little card

The only reason I feel that way is so people carrying know the law and don't get in a lot of trouble for carrying someplace they aren't supposed to or using it in a situation that might get them into trouble

I agree with this 100%.

TinyEvel 04-12-2015 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mac459 (Post 11433241)
I would prefer them to require training but make the classes free and just have like a $10 charge for the permit..or something like that..similar to getting your driving license..study up take a test pass it get a little card

The only reason I feel that way is so people carrying know the law and don't get in a lot of trouble for carrying someplace they aren't supposed to or using it in a situation that might get them into trouble

I agree. According to this, any fool can buy a gun and just bring it wherever they want? I knew some guys in college who I wouldn't want carrying a knife or even a friggen pointed stick let alone a hand cannon. Or some shit-scared person who buys it for "self-protection" but never used it on a target range or knows proper safety and handling.

ghak99 04-12-2015 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinyEvel (Post 11433410)
I agree. According to this, any fool can buy a gun and just bring it wherever they want? I knew some guys in college who I wouldn't want carrying a knife or even a friggen pointed stick let alone a hand cannon. Or some shit-scared person who buys it for "self-protection" but never used it on a target range or knows proper safety and handling.

It was always legal for any non felon fool to buy a gun and carry it around. It's the covering it with a jacket that they made legal.

Same gun owner, same gun, same location.. just an added piece of cloth.

Lzen 04-13-2015 09:02 AM

Not to start a political discussion but I am listening to Dana Loesch's book, Hands Off My Gun: Defeating the Plot to Disarm America. In it, she mentions an ad from Michael Bloomberg's Mayor's Against Illegal Guns. Out of curiosity, I found it on Youtube. :doh!:Here is the response to it.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/gL17LdNTVEE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Fairplay 04-13-2015 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 11433854)
Not to start a political discussion but I am listening to Dana Loesch's book, Hands Off My Gun: Defeating the Plot to Disarm America. In it, she mentions an ad from Michael Bloomberg's Mayor's Against Illegal Guns. Out of curiosity, I found it on Youtube. :doh!:Here is the response to it.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/gL17LdNTVEE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


The LWNJ's do have a point.

Lzen 04-13-2015 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinyEvel (Post 11431948)
So, starting July 1st Kansas will not require any training nor permits for concealed carry.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/article18291908.html

Thoughts?

I know a lot of people, including those that stand for gun rights, will not like this law. Many believe that people should be required to take the conceal carry class. For me, I don't believe that should be necessary. I believe the 2nd amendment is pretty clear on that matter. So, I guess I would say that I have no problem with it.

That being said, I will continue to renew my CCL because this law will not apply when you travel to other states whereas the CCL is reciprocal in many other states (not including leftist run places like California, Washington, Illinois, and much of the Northeast).

Lzen 04-13-2015 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mac459 (Post 11433241)
I would prefer them to require training but make the classes free and just have like a $10 charge for the permit..or something like that..similar to getting your driving license..study up take a test pass it get a little card

The only reason I feel that way is so people carrying know the law and don't get in a lot of trouble for carrying someplace they aren't supposed to or using it in a situation that might get them into trouble

That would make a lot of sense. It would cost the state money to pay the trainer but I wouldn't think it would amount to that much. How many people would actually get a CCL? But with the state's current budget shortfall, that was probably never in the cards.

Perineum Ripper 04-13-2015 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 11433868)
That would make a lot of sense. It would cost the state money to pay the trainer but I wouldn't think it would amount to that much. How many people would actually get a CCL? But with the state's current budget shortfall, that was probably never in the cards.

I think they should make the trainer a State Trooper..it is how they do driving tests..a Trooper is right there and maybe a civilian or 2 but if a Trooper is on payroll already so that saves money..as far as people taking it goes I do believe more people would take the test if all it consisted of was a day or 2 of classes then a $10 charge to get the permit

I know it's not a perfect idea but I think it would work out better for everyone

Lzen 04-16-2015 10:47 AM

VICTORY: Walmart Defeats Attack By Anti-Gun New York Church
 
Not that I care much for Walmart, but this is a good thing, IMO.

Posted by Bob Owens on April 15, 2015 at 1:20 pm

Trinity Church, an left-leaning, politically activist church in New York City, attempted to force a shareholder vote on the kind of firearms sold by Walmart in federal court.

Companies nationwide watched the case with rapt attention, as a victory by Trinity Church to determine something as mundane as product selection would create a quagmire of competing proposals from different special interest groups, making it nearly impossible for companies to function day-to-day.

Fortunately, a federal appeals court saw the obvious insanity of allowing such a proposal to move forward, and sided with Walmart and freedom.

A federal appeals court on Tuesday lifted an injunction that would have required Wal-Mart Stores Inc to let shareholders vote on a proposal to tighten oversight of its sale of guns with high-capacity magazines.

In a brief order, the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals vacated a permanent injunction imposed in November by U.S. District Judge Leonard Stark that would have required a vote at Wal-Mart’s annual meeting in June.

Wal-Mart had objected that allowing a vote on the proposal from Trinity Church, a historic church in downtown Manhattan, would “open the floodgates” to more shareholder proposals, and cause excessive interference in day-to-day business operations.

The church’s proposal would have required Wal-Mart’s board to more closely examine the sale of products that might endanger public safety, hurt Wal-Mart’s reputation, or offend “family and community values” integral to Wal-Mart’s brand.

Trinity said these products might include guns with clips holding more than 10 rounds, a type it said “enabled” mass killings in Newtown, Connecticut and Aurora, Colorado.

It also said such products could include music that depicts sex or violence, the sale of which Wal-Mart already limits.

In Tuesday’s order, the appeals court said “Wal-Mart may exclude Trinity’s proposal from its 2015 proxy materials.”

There has been a sad trend among some churches in some parts of the country to go beyond outreach into outright political activism, as Dave Workman notes in his article discussing both the Walmart case and the activist congregations that took part in the battle over anti-gun I-594 in Washington last year, which resulted in the passing of an unenforceable “universal background checks” law now being challenged in federal court.

Without devolving into a theological debate, we’d simply suggest that churches should focus on the work of saving souls and helping the needy without interjecting themselves into political battles that could end up costing them their non-profit status for delving into non-prophet issues.

http://bearingarms.com/victory-walma...w-york-church/

kepp 04-16-2015 12:13 PM

I hope that "church" doesn't have tax exempt status. If it does, it's status should be removed.

BigOlChiefsfan 04-16-2015 04:49 PM

There's a president or 2 buried at Trinity - I used to walk by it on my way to Wall Street when I was in my former life. That said - bad luck to 'em.

ghak99 04-18-2015 07:15 PM

Sounds like Texas is close to allowing open carry.

Kind of hard to believe it's taken them this long to get on board.

dmahurin 04-18-2015 08:26 PM

I bought a mossberg 500 and a glock 19 yesterday. Both of them new.

TribalElder 04-18-2015 08:40 PM

I recently picked up a 40 caliber Barretta

It's kick ass

Also, I don't like the trooper trainer idea. It's bad enough that each counties sheriff now controls the ccw permits.

Perineum Ripper 04-18-2015 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 11444531)
I recently picked up a 40 caliber Barretta

It's kick ass

Also, I don't like the trooper trainer idea. It's bad enough that each counties sheriff now controls the ccw permits.

That's true..it was just an idea off the top of my head..having acivilian instructor would be best but I thought a trooper for trainer would help keep cost down

what model is your Barretta..I have never been a big fan of theirs but a good gun is always on my shopping list

TribalElder 04-18-2015 09:13 PM

px4

So far so good, the barrel spin is kinda weird but it must be an Italian thing. Like Benelli armi

Dunit35 04-18-2015 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmahurin (Post 11444512)
I bought a mossberg 500 and a glock 19 yesterday. Both of them new.

You will love the 19. I carry it on duty. It's a sweet shooter.


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