It was a nice Cassel-type throw.

Been resisting the notion for a while, but this team feels just as fraudulent as the 2010 Chiefs.

LOL

Nah, we have a legit team its just lead by Steve Bono Part II. Its 1995 all over again.

He was 3 yards away.

LMAO...it was a 28 yard TD...Dexter might have run 2 or 3 yards after the catch. Or are you saying the guy was 3 yards away?

It was. Cassel used to get praised around here for hitting wide open guys, too.

Alex doesn't make difficult NFL throws. Neither did Matt.

How does one hit someone in stride when it requires the receiver to leap for the ball and wind up flat out on the turf?

magic!!!

it was not a great pass.

It really wasn't. Completed? okay. But people are blowing it out of proportion.

I thought his best pass was the cross field pass he threw. I was uninspired by the McCluster td.

Oh, I thought we were talking about the other play where the receiver did all the work.

I have a question.

Feels like 2010, feels like 1995.

That feel worse than 2012?

Considering that a few of the guys bitching about it feeling like those years, are the same types that felt this season was going to be the same type of year. Especially a certain Matt Barkley loving poster.

Just saying. I agree. If the offense doesn't improve, to at the very least be far more CONSISTENT. Then this is not a super bowl type team.

Still. 4 times the amount of wins from last year 8 games in?

If you haven't followed the Chiefs for decades, you truly cannot speak to how long-time fans perceive this season.

In the moment, it's great. The flaws, however, appear crippling, and the resources that were used to acquire the major stumbling block suggest a long-term commitment.

And this is what we've seen for the last 20+ years. It might end up differently. Smith is, literally, not Bono. But mother****ing shit if Alex Smith doesn't suck out load far too often.

This is a fair statement.

Deez, I can relate to what you are dealing with. And yes, I understand the frustration. I was simply asking if they people who specifically expected more of last year, than what is actually happening, would feel better if this year was more of last year.

Im a browns fan. In the 14 years since its rebirth, I have seen 3 first round qbs drafted, ONE playoff game in which we were up something like 30-13, and lost, our best statistical and record season of 2007, we didn't make the playoffs.

I understand completely how chiefs feel. But I would give my left nut to be 8-0 right now.

I am already doing draft research to see who the browns inevitably will draft, and who will undoubtedly suck.

Wanna trade?

I've got news for you, long time fans don't all see it the same way. A simple truth that always seems to escape you.

I completely understand and completely agree.

I think we'll go 1 and done in the playoffs.

That said this isn't year 3 or 5 or 7 this is YEAR ONE.

We're where they were in YEAR ONE.

We're so far ahead of schedule how can you not be pleased with this?...

People assume just because year one is awesome everything will continue to be awesome.

I have my doubts if Alex Smith is our QB against a first-place schedule in 2014.

Because this is year 1 of 2. Whats the plan for year 3? More Smith? ****ing shoot me now.

Exactly...I just hope they don't stay married to Smith

Alex is still leaving plays out there on the field. 11 points right off the top of my head that I can remember.

The overthrow to Fasano would've been a touchdown, but we had to settle for 3.

Then once again, Avery is streaking down the sideline with his man 2 steps behind him and Alex overthrows the ball. I thought I remember seeing people on here saying that Alex didn't have an arm, with Chad Pennington even being mentioned for comparison.

This guy is overthrowing streaking receivers 30-40 yards downfield. If anything, he needs to reign the throws in. Hes missed Avery twice that I remember, and also missed a wide open Jamaal Charles that was lined up against a linebacker this season.

Dude seriously needs reps in practice just developing timing with Donnie and Jamaal on those deep routes. Its gut wrenching to watch all of these plays being missed that would be incredible plays through the air.

Blocking was shit today though. Looked like Jordan Black was out there in a Fisher Jersey at RT. Happy with the win, but we have some serious work to do before this divisional road trip gauntlet coming up.

completely understandable. I expect a full offensive overhaul.

The defense, will be better next year though. That's pretty scary.

Of course I'm aware of this. For those "so excited," Ice Cube dedicated a song to this: "No Vaseline."

he would be extended already.

If he doesn't get to the level they expect, he will be gone.

Why would he be extended already? They aren't going to talk contract in the middle of the year.

I like it when Cleveland fans try to wear their "most miserable sports town" badge in front of Kansas City fans. Did you know that the Browns have won a playoff game more recently than the Chiefs?

We know exactly what sucking feels like. Don't act like KC fans have not earned the right to be cynical.

I'll be stunned to see them walk on a player after investing two second-rounders.

two opinions that always drove me nuts.

Alex has small hands, not true.

Alex has a weak arm.

Also not true.

Alex thinks too much. Alex is extremely inaccurate on deep throws to anyone not named Vernon Davis, and I have never figured it out.

can you please post where I said you don't have the right to be cynical?

Do you know the difference between criticism, and empathy?

I am empathetic. If I wanted to be cynical, I would say hey, Kc Chiefs fans, tell me when you have your team stolen from you, and then I would say, tell me what its like to play in a super bowl.

That would be me telling you to stop being cynical.

That's not my style. Empathy is way more my style.

Makes sense considering he played with Davis for many years. Plus, he's never had a burner deep threat target besides Davis.

I'm not here to defend Alex. I just didn't feel like looking up old threads or starting a new one. Eric Fisher is a ****ing disaster, trainwreck, worthless, piece of shit. He's on Mandrich watch right now AFAIC.

Looks like passive-aggressive is also your style.

the picks aren't that big of a deal.

They are the part of a process.

The packers one year drafted Brian Brohm, two years after drafting Aaron Rodgers, and in the same draft with Brohm, they drafted Matt Flynn in the 5th.

They cut Brian Brohm in the preseason.

Not trying to sound like a know it all, but I mean you hit and miss on draft picks. Andy Reid clearly wanted a caretaker for this offense.

I think he is smart enough to understand, and he and Dorsey probably knew better than anyone, that the Chiefs were not talented like the packers, or like the eagles.

Alex Smith im guessing in their mind was a guy who could get just enough out of this offense this year to caretake it.

Wouldn't be shocked at all if Alex Smith loses his job next year to Bray.

im more reactive.

I react to those how they treat me.

Im more aggressive dickish than anything.

I like Reid and Dorsey; these were good hires. If they would make this type of decision in KC, I'd have even more respect for them, regardless of how things would turn out.

I told my buddy sitting next to Mr that Mccluster was "Alex Smith "open
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Good comparison. The Chiefs went for the specimen over the technician.

good call.

LOL. Sad, and funny.

Fisher wasn't a specimen.

After his first 8 games in the NFL you type this ****ing nonsense.

Go punch yourself in the dick.

especially when they will have just paid one.
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I wont be shocked if they draft a qb in the first round. If there is one they like, like a Mettenberger, (LSU), the kid from Oregon State, Hundley, Bryn Renner, wouldn't shock me in the least.

I am an Alex Smith guy that has no delusion that he will be replaced at the first instance they find a better replacement.

It's almost an unfathomable jump from the likes of a CMU to the NFL. Thus, Fisher is going to take more time than the average n00b.

He needs to sit right now because he's hurting the team, but that doesn't make him a "bust." Not yet.

What is your definition of a specimen.

No, hes not Veldheer, hes not Bruce Campbell, but he is a true athlete. Much more an athlete than a technician

Your arrogance is astounding.

But... but... you MUST take a SAFE player at No. 1 overall who can start right away and be an impact player. You CAN'T afford to take a developmental guy that has to sit for a while at No. 1 overall.

Yeah, because 8 game vet 1st overall picks in the NFL draft look like ****ing abortions every year. You should abort yourself.

That ship has sailed. It doesn't do any good to keep bringing it up.

someone please, please name the better QB option we could have gotten this offseason? If anyone says Geno Smith they need to be banned. Have we forgot where we were just last year? It'd be wonderful to have a Manning, Brady, Luck, Brees, Rodgers. But that wasn't an option and judging by all the wins we're having, under Smith, we won't be able to get that guy next year. He's playing far better than Flacco or Ryan, just to name some of these gunslingers.

Yep. Never again should we hear that bullshit.

Game changers at RT are once in a decade guys, Duncan.

If Fisher is how "BPA" is defined under this regime, we need to just completely forfeit the draft altogether, and trade our picks for some kind of bonus points in the FA market.

Matt Ryan is completing 70 percent of his passes, has thrown 14 TD passes and 7 INTs. He's playing at a much higher level than Alex Smith, and there's no debate about it. Joe Flacco and Alex Smith have basically identical stats (though Flacco is superior in completion percentage, TDs, YPA).

"Playing far better?" Not even close.

I would have gladly taken signing someone like Jason Campbell and surrendering NO picks over trading picks for Alex Smith.

If you're bringing in a stop-gap, bring in a stop-gap. With this year's second-round pick, the Chiefs could have taken a potential QBotF in Geno Smith to sit behind the stop-gap they brought in or a WR like Robert Woods.

Sitting here at 8-0 I am so pissed that we didn't win the draft. I mean fooooooooooooooooo......k! :shake:ROFL

ROFL LMAO :spock: LMAO

Suppose our front office didn't think geno is a potential qbotf?

Not just Fisher...

Kelce, Davis, and some random ass FB I cant even name.

Ryan has (had) Jones, White, and Gonzalez. Smith has never had that type of receiver firepower.

This. We COMPLETELY suck at the draft. Completely.

Bonus points, please.

I bet he's never shoved a firecracker up his ass either, but that doesn't stop me from thinking about how ****ing hilarious it would be if he did.

Ah yes, stop gap. You must call Andy and tell him he doesn't know crap and was stupid to want a crappy qb like Alex.

I'm sure he watches the film and sees exactly what you all see. Only thing holding this O and team back is Alex. Brilliant!

Then they could have taken Woods. Or Justin Hunter. Or Zach Ertz. Or an ILB.
Or a CB. Or a lot of other players that could have helped this year.

My point: They paid for Alex Smith like he was more than a stop-gap. His play so far has screamed 'stop-gap.'

Perhaps the route some were championing - which involved signing a vet like Campbell - would have worked out after all.

Would those players helped more this year than Alex smith? Would you rather have went the Campbell route and be say 4-4?

I really don't see the hilarity in that statement. A rusty Campbell just came into our house and almost beat us. Regardless of his play today, the key word is stop-gap not QBOTF, which is what Smith is being paraded as.

If a team let's you walk in FA for reasons other than injury, age or severe "locker room" problems then you're not a franchise QB.

Andy Reid is a good coach but don't let that fool you on issues of personnel.

Andy Reid clearly believed he could get more out of Alex Smith than he has gotten so far. I still hope he unlocks that play from his QB, but I'm not holding my breath (Smith's play over the past 3-4 weeks has shrunk that hope).

If he doesn't get more out of him, the Chiefs significantly overpaid and the trade deserves criticism.

I think they're 6-2 at worst with Jason Campbell. Defense has been that good, schedule has been that easy.

Yes, I would rather be in that situation, with the 2013 2nd round pick on the team and contributing (Woods would start, Hunter probably would, too, any ILB they would have taken there probably starts) and the 2014 pick looming on the horizon.

I don't think we win a game with Campbell. The team would have saw the proverbial punt coming with that. I can't believe that at this point people still hold on to shit like that.

Book me.

Not to mention the cap space it would have cleared up. Smith is getting paid 8.5 million for his mediocrity, while Campbell will barely scratch 2 million. In hindsight we over payed considerably for Smith.

All Fisher was....was Albert insurance. That makes it a horrible ****ing pick.

Who is parading Alex Smith as QBotF? I haven't seen one person.

Just so we are all clear now going
24/36 225 2tds 0 picks 6 runs for 40 yards sucks now?

Yes he missed some throws but name me a QB in the NFL who hasn't and I'll show you a guy who hasn't played much. People Alex wasn't bad today. And the Chiefs won the game. There is room to get better for sure but bashing Alex for those numbers is silly. Alex wasn't the big problem today. That was the O line allowing 6 sacks in the 2nd half.

Giving up 2 2nd rd. picks implied that Smith was viewed as a long-term solution.

It doesn't suck.

It's a standard "excellent game, Alex!" complete with yards per completion < 10, yards per attempt < 6.5, and points < 24.

Back and to the left.

Who was available that is/was better?

It's not like we missed out on a FA qb or even a better QB was available for a trade.

So, frustrated as you, I, the fan base may be, there wasn't a plan A option that fell through, and there isn't a QB that would have come in and resulted in more wins.
I'm of the opinion that that doesn't mean you can't upgrade around him before the deadline. Improving the offense by say 1 TD a game and / or converting 1 or 2 3rd downs a game would make this team downright an extremely tough out for anyone they would face for the rest of the year- including the playoffs, which would 2 fold increase getting home field with the #1 seed. Not to mention this is a historic 1st for a cold weather Super Bowl, which only favors a team like the Chiefs.

Talent is out there to get better on the offense, but will we pick up the phone, pull the trigger and say this year we think we can win a ring?

How will it be better?

I would like to point out at this time that Matt Cassel throws like a ****ing fairy.

Are you kidding me? Did you not see the herd of homers riding Smith's nuts at the beginning of the season? The point is Andy and co didn't trade a 2nd and possible 3rd for a stop gap. This is not what is thrown at a short-term solution. Smith's current contract is only two years but the draft picks say something else entirely.

Watch the games. Alex Smith has very clear limitations: the most obvious of those limitations is his inability to throw the deep ball.

Some people were arguing that the fact that he overthrew some of his deep balls recently indicates that he has plenty of arm strength. He doesn't. Smith throws the fade route early so that receivers won't out-run his range. He just can't spin a tight, level 3 deep ball very well.

He has chosen precious few moments to throw the fade and it is always a pre-snap read (and almost always just for show). He throws it early and deep so that it won't be picked.

Problem is, in that situation, you run the risk if having Matt cassel as your starting qb.