Donovan's a guy you want to put in that GIANT outfield in Colorado or even Kansas City and watch him hit .360 and be among the league leaders in doubles.

I'm not sure the short porch in NY helps him as much as more grass to hit into would.

Guy's just a throwback hitter.

Maybe im simple, but this team IS getting older in its star power... why would you want to trade off one of the couple good players you've been able to develop in Brendan Donovan?

Probably an easy pass from the other side, at least in terms of 1 for 1. There's probably at least a 45 FV prospect or 2 difference in value there. Manoah has more control, pre-arb, is a pitcher, and 1 year removed from 4 fWAR. Carlson is 4 seasons removed from being anything but a JAG.

Before signing Willson Contreras last winter, the Cardinals were known to be considering catching options on the trade market, which included talks with the Blue Jays about their then-surplus of Gabriel Moreno (who was eventually dealt to the Diamondbacks, Alejandro Kirk, and Danny Jansen. Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch shed some light on those past talks between the Jays and Cards, writing that Toronto had interest in Lars Nootbaar and Brendan Donovan.

With Goold also reporting earlier this week that Dylan Carlson was on the Jays’ radar this winter, there’s plenty of reason to think that Toronto and St. Louis could line up on some sort of trade this winter. Nootbaar could slide perfectly into the Blue Jays’ left field vacancy, while Donovan’s ability to play almost any position would give Toronto lots of flexibility in figuring out how it wants to address its many needs around the diamond. Of course, several teams have also made calls about Nootbaar, Donovan, and Carlson, and it remains to be seen if the Jays could outbid the field, if the Jays have the available pitching that the Cardinals are badly seeking this offseason, or even if St. Louis dealt any of these particular players whatsoever.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/...son-judge.html

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Transaction! Intrigue! ..And thus continues the quest to gain the rights of Rule 5 pick RHP Wilking Rodriguez. He has cleared waivers, been offered back to Yankees, they have declined, so <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stlcards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#stlcards</a> make this move.<br><br>Next step is Rodriguez’s, who can choose to stay with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cardinals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cardinals</a>. <a href="https://t.co/p0BIiXRW3Q">pic.twitter.com/p0BIiXRW3Q</a></p>&mdash; Derrick Goold (@dgoold) <a href="https://twitter.com/dgoold/status/1724202407393992908?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Transaction! Intrigue! ..And thus continues the quest to gain the rights of Rule 5 pick RHP Wilking Rodriguez. He has cleared waivers, been offered back to Yankees, they have declined, so <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stlcards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#stlcards</a> make this move.<br><br>Next step is Rodriguez’s, who can choose to stay with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cardinals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cardinals</a>. <a href="https://t.co/p0BIiXRW3Q">pic.twitter.com/p0BIiXRW3Q</a></p>&mdash; Derrick Goold (@dgoold) <a href="https://twitter.com/dgoold/status/1724202407393992908?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Honestly don't give a **** till Mo is gone

Awesome, a 33 year old reliever who has literally pitched 2 major league innings in 2014. These are the moves that make champions.

You realize the Cardinals released him, right? The Yankees didn't want him back so it's up to the player if he wants to stay with the Cardinals. Considering the Cardinals released him, I doubt they care what he does.

Congratulations to Skip.

Oli probably wont be winning MOTY any time soon

I think the Cardinals will trade for Tyler Glasnow. That seems to be their style. Trade for Glasnow and sign a second tier starter.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We have non-tendered the following players:<br><br>RHP Dakota Hudson<br>RHP Jake Woodford<br>C Andrew Knizner<br>1B/OF Juan Yepez<br><br>Our 40-player roster now stands at 36.</p>&mdash; St. Louis Cardinals (@Cardinals) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cardinals/status/1725681967306289290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 18, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I heard these dipshits were actively shopping Hudson. What kind of return to you expect to get from a pitcher you want to trade when you make it known you are desperate for at least 2 starters in FA?

Waiting for Yepez to put up a .280/.370/.530 OPS with his next team.