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cmh6476 12-11-2015 09:34 AM

I guess we don't have to win the world series every year.

BigCatDaddy 12-11-2015 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by cmh6476 (Post 11944522)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Important detail I missed: This is per year. So he has some, you could say, &quot;incentive&quot;, to pitch well. <a href="https://t.co/KyV7Z0NI6e">https://t.co/KyV7Z0NI6e</a></p>&mdash; Andy McCullough (@McCulloughStar) <a href="https://twitter.com/McCulloughStar/status/675099789973958656">December 10, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The breakdown on Soria&#39;s contract: $7M in 2016, $8M in 2017, $9M in 2018, plus a $1M buyout on a $10M mutual option for 2019.</p>&mdash; Andy McCullough (@McCulloughStar) <a href="https://twitter.com/McCulloughStar/status/675093988957900800">December 10, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Moore also said he felt confident his team could field an outfield rotation next year of Cain, Dyson, Orlando, Eibner and Fuentes.</p>&mdash; Andy McCullough (@McCulloughStar) <a href="https://twitter.com/McCulloughStar/status/674722087836192768">December 9, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He isnt lying. They could... it would just not be good.

DJ's left nut 12-11-2015 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 11944456)
So basically the only thing he has over Gordon is age? Is that really worth $100mil extra?

Age and upside.

If you think you're the team that can take the gains in contact that Heyward has made and combine it with the power stroke he showed in his first and third seasons, then you think Heyward can be a legitimate MVP player - a superlative defender who is also capable of a .900 OPS, 25 HRs and 20 SBs.

I absolutely believe there are teams out there that could manage that. I watch his swing as a rookie and there is so much ability in there. The problem is that he re-worked his swing completely right before the 2012 season and to his credit, it actually appeared to work. But you could see the beginnings of that cramped mess his swing has now become. Pitchers adjusted to it and he doubled down on the cramped mess rather than doing what he should have done which was to open himself up a bit more (go back towards where he was as a rookie). I think it would do wonders for syncing up his top/bottom halves. It would help him get his front foot down on time and go out to attack those pitches on the inner half. It would allow him to extend more on inside pitches and really drive balls instead of just getting sawed off and grounding out (or if he's lucky, fisting a humpback liner for a single).

So on one hand you can say that the only difference between Gordon and Heyward is age, but that's not entirely accurate - with that age and with his early career success comes so much untapped potential. Gordon is who he is - a player who's good years are going to be pretty similar to Heywards floor going forward. But with Heyward, there is talent there to be on Trout Light and there's still plenty of time to unlock it.

For the Cardinals, it's not worth that $100 million, IMO, because they don't teach an approach that will unlock his potential. There are teams and coaches that can though.

Pitt Gorilla 12-11-2015 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 11944685)
He isnt lying. They could... it would just not be good.

Didn't we run with something similar for a good chunk of last season?

BigCatDaddy 12-11-2015 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 11944801)
Didn't we run with something similar for a good chunk of last season?

Not that I recall. We did platoon Dyson/Orlando for Gordon for 6-8 weeks I believe. Fortunately Rios got hot about that time.

Just not sure relying in a career 4th outfielder and a few minor leaguers in fill in at the corners is a good idea but sounds like you beg to differ.

TLO 12-11-2015 11:14 AM

I have a feeling we're going to get some action this afternoon.

cmh6476 12-11-2015 11:16 AM

Mccullough on twitter kinda alluded to the fact he think we'll leave winter meetings without any major activity

Prison Bitch 12-11-2015 11:20 AM

It's been funny watching the nightly recap on MLBN. They're bored to tears. They're analyzing Asdrubal Cabrera signing. They openly thanked Arizona for saving their week. Meetings were a major dud thus far

DeepSouth 12-11-2015 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 11944801)
Didn't we run with something similar for a good chunk of last season?

I seem to remember Orlando playing for Rios when the Chicken Pox hit the team. I think it started out as a platoon of Orlando and Dyson and ended up with Orlando playing every day. I could be wrong.

DJ's left nut 12-11-2015 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 11944837)
It's been funny watching the nightly recap on MLBN. They're bored to tears. They're analyzing Asdrubal Cabrera signing. They openly thanked Arizona for saving their week. Meetings were a major dud thus far

That's because Jason Heyward is an indecisive shitheel.

None of the other OFers will engage until Heyward sets the market, the big money FAs are largely OFers this year so the other position players are cooling their heels with the OF market sorts itself out and most of the big players that needed pitching already got their or are prioritizing offense right now so they're not going hard on guys like Chen or Cueto.

Jason !@#$ing Heyward thinking he should be paid like a superstar has brought the entire market to a screeching halt.

Sure-Oz 12-11-2015 11:45 AM

@dgoold: Source: Heyward has made a decision. #cardinals were very aggressive but doesn't sound like he chose them. #cubs very much in play here.

Sure-Oz 12-11-2015 11:46 AM

Alex Gordon watch about to start.

Sure-Oz 12-11-2015 11:47 AM

@JonHeymanCBS: Doesn't sound like nats are optimistic on heyward. They made big try, but he didn't agree by deadline set with them.

CaliforniaChief 12-11-2015 11:50 AM

These are the kinds of situations the Angels pop up with re: Heyward.

DJ's left nut 12-11-2015 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 11944902)
These are the kinds of situations the Angels pop up with re: Heyward.

Heyward would be a damn disaster with Anaheim, IMO.

The marine layer there would kill his pop, it would get into his head and the guy will be Shane Victorino by August.


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