Unless there's a 3-4 (preferably 3) year reasonable deal to go along with this trade, I'm out. I don't think this team is ready for the SB this year, so why give up anything for a 3/4 year rental? I'd rather build a dynasty through the draft and retaining our own stars.

Nope. Not with the way he's acting. You either have the extension ready and waiting for his signature or you don't make the trade.

Yeah....I'm not trading for Bell without a contract in place.

But then again....I wouldn't trade for Bell at all.

It's the Jets. Need I say more?

Nobody is arguing against his value. I would love to get him for a 2nd.

I've actually been quite clear on that.

Draft picks still have value. They're what KC built this offense with.

Fair enough.

AFC is wide ****ing open right now, the Steelers are not good, the Patriots have probems...

The time is right now.

They know offensive talent, I won't dispute that.

Something is obviously holding Veach back or this deal would have been done in August.

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Let's say we make the trade without an extension. Thomas for a 2nd. He continues what he's doing by not taking practice seriously until he gets paid. Now what? It's not like he's been in this unit for years and can perform at the same level while missing practice

Why would you trade for him and not pay him..why is that even a topic? It would make no sense to not pay him if you make the deal.

This team is not trading for Thomas and expecting him to play out the last year of his contract. If we trade for him....it's because we have an extension in place for him to sign.

Also something else to consider, a reason I'm not super worried about guys leaving or cap stuff is this reason...

If Mahomes is the man, if this team is on this trajectory we will have some older vets that can still play and want to win signing for cheaper deals. Ole Horseface built a superbowl winner out of guys like that.

Having a star QB has it's benefits and that is one of them, don't forget that.

Well then the question becomes... is KC doing a poor job in picking defensive talent, or are they doing a piss poor job DEVELOPING that talent?

With a track record like they have picking defense over the past 5 years, I'd say it's a little of column A and a little of column B. Even a guy like Chris Jones who definitely HAS talent hasn't really developed as a talent since he arrived has he? He's the same guy he was as a rookie.

Obviously some of the problem is the instruction they receive once they're here.

Well they do have 2 really ****ing old guys and the HC's son on that defensive staff...that isn't exactly awesome sounding.

But at the same time look at some of those picks, Kpass total project, Speaks a casual fan can look at him and see that he is fat and slow.