Charles vs. Priest
 

Been wondering who CP thinks is the better back

Jamaal Charles

1401 rushes, 7556 yards, 44 tds, 5.4 ypc

Priest Holmes

1780 rushes, 8172 yards, 86 tds, 4.6 ypc

My choice is JC. If you put Jamaal with the offense that Priest had he would probably have broken several records and would be a HoFer. That's not saying I don't love Priest, but Jamaal was out of this world.

Jamaal, and its not even close.

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What are their receiving stats?

I've said it before and took massive heat for it, but if you put JC on that O, it is disgusting.

Jamaal Charles

JC does some very bad things behind that line. Priest was good, but JC had to do with it shitty QBs and poor o-line play.

Jamaal. Priest was great, but he was also running behind the best OL guys the Chiefs ever had. Jamaal was running behind dogshit most of the time.

Strictly running, Charles was better. Priest was much more of a weapon as a receiver, but he had a more competent QB. Also Charles seemed to fumble quite a bit more. It's a tough call. Although in a two year stretch, LJ may be better than both

Charles was the best we ever had but you always held your breath he was going to fumble.

Priest was never a Bronco 😀

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Charles' best year was under Reid while he was catching passes.

LJ was close, but JC wouldn't need to hit anyone. They wouldn't be close enough to hit.

For me it was tense every carry after the knee injuries.

Doesn't change who they were.

Mods, reverse my vote!

Something needs to be said about Priest's patience - that's a huge bonus - JC was slightly more prone to coughing up the rock. Plus to me - Priest was funner to watch. JMO

I don't think this is even an argument. Priest was great behind that O-line, Charles was great period.

Maybe I'm partial to Priest because I associate him with a fun time (Vermeil years) vs Charles who I associate with the awful Cassel/Pioli era

Best seasons:

Priest (2002): 313 carries, 1615 yards (5.2 YPC). 21 TDs; 70 rec, 672 yards, 3 TDs
Jamaal (2012): 285 carries, 1509 yards (5.3 YPC). 5 TDs; 35 rec, 236 yards, 1 TD

Priest did that in 14 games, and if not for that dirty-ass horsecollar tackle, he likely sets records for all-purpose yards that are never touched. He was a patient, tireless runner, a tremendous receiver, and great at blitz pick up. I've never seen a back with better vision, and he was near GOAT status at the goal line.

Jamaal clearly had the home run ability that Holmes lacked, but 2002 Priest Holmes was the most complete back the Chiefs ever had.

That avatar is a thing of beauty, love you Red :clap:

Love JC top 3 Chief in my list, Priest was just so great and I have fond memories of the priest/green/vermeil era as I was a youngster just discoverig my love of Football at the time

Charles receiving stats

308 receptions, 2586 yards, 20 tds, 8.4 ypc

Priest receiving stats

339 receptions, 2962 yards, 8 tds, 8.7 ypc

I'd say Jamaal was the better receiver if you account for who was throwing them the ball.

I'd say LJ had one single season that was elite. It was his 2005 season where he started only 9 games and had 1750 yards and 20 tds and averaged 5.2 ypc. You could say it was one of the top 10 best seasons for a running back in the history of the league. But what's crazy is that 2005 LJ season wasn't even the best season a Chiefs RB has had. Priest in 2002 only played in 14 games and in those 14 games he had 1615 rush yards, 21 tds, 5.2 ypc and on top of that he had 62 rec, 614 rcv yds, 9.9 ypc and 3 tds. So essentially in 2002 Priest gave you the production of an elite RB and a 2 receiver. Then we get to Jamaal who had 6.4 ypc and he ran the ball 230 times that year. It's just amazing the talent we have had at the RB position.

I remember back in day when you'd constantly have to hear about the stupid ass Donkey's, there dumbass blocking scheme and how they have had so many years of a 1000 yd rusher, so basically 60 yds a game, BFD. The Chiefs have had elite RBs since 2001. I can't remember the last time I was worried about our RB situation.

JC did more with less. That said, Priest was the more complete back. I dunno. Gun to my balls, I’d say JC.

Or maybe Priest. I don’t know. Kill my balls.

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Priest

I agree with you. I think the biggest opposition to this take was Dane. I loved most of his football opinions, but that's one I definitely disagree with.

JC was the superior talent.

Put JC behind Priest's OL, then answer the question who's better.

The end.

I'm going to have to go with JC, but that sweep with Priest behind Will and Willie was just a thing of beauty.

Jamaal had amazing talent. However, I don't think he would have thrived more behind Priest's line, or at least not notably more. Jamaal hit the line fast, and that Priest line was more of a chess game that moved defenders out of the way. Priest was the perfect running back for that line, because he let them do their work in the most effective way possible.

Priest was great, but you can't vote against Jamaal on this.

Jamaal would have broken every single season record in the book behind that line and i loves me some Holmes.

While i agres, Charles' vision and speed would have offset any advantage Priest had

I can and I did.

I think the line's effect on JC is overblown. Part of why Priest was so good behind that line was because he was patient, like Lev Bell.

JC wasn't that kind of runner and while that line was all-world, I'm not sure it makes that much difference. JC was a crease runner, bigger holes weren't going to make him a better back.

That line would have made any back immediately better by a light year.

More important question would be what would Priest do behind Charles’ line? He didn’t do much in Balt because they’re line was merely good.

Look at it through that lens.

The **** they weren’t. Holmes wasn’t getting touched until he hit a safety or CB on a lot of plays. You give that much better angles to JC and he would have been untouchable. Not to mention his ability to change direction was vastly superior to Holmes and even if they did get an angle on him, he would have been more likely to lay a nasty move on them than holmes.

People forget how goddamned good prime Charles was.

This just doesn't even make any sense. Derrick Blaylock averaged 4.6 ypc behind that line

Why did you pick 2012 as JC's best season? 2013 was better and even 2010 could be argued.

Having said that I voted Priest. Watching him work thru the line was a thing of beauty. I think he suffers from recency bias.

Priest, because he never fumbled or got hurt in crucial moments nachos notwithstanding. :D

He fumbled in the No Punt Game against the Colts. I remember being absolutely convinced we were cursed.

Did he? All I remember was the phony PI against Tony G, guess neither was great in that respect. Did it happen because of that bullshit PI?

I remember Charles fumbling in a lot of crucial situations, and the Denver game we had won and he fumbled twice in the last few minutes.

Actually rewatching that game there were many gaffes, we were playing catch up the entire game. We were down 2 TD's most of the game and obviously had our Defense gotten 1 stop it would have been much closer at the end. We got the ball back with 8 seconds left on our own 30. We missed a FG and probably should have went for the 1st down/TD along with Priests long run and gang tackle fumble and Tony G's bullshit PI penalty that cost us a TD. I think they had 1 penalty against them in that game.

I'm more interested in Harvey "Bobblehead" Williams vs. Greg "The Real Deal" Hill. And for the love of God, have you not considered Jesse Haynes vs. Brian Shay? What the "F" people? :)

Jesse Haynes is still coming, he's on the PS i think.

"PS" = PlayStation? That's one old Madden game! :D

This may sound counterintuitive when talking about running backs, but I think more than offensive line it was actually the QB play and overall offensive scheme that benefitted Holmes.

I think that Priest's style would have worked behind Jamaal's line, but I agree with htismaqe that Charles would not have had a huge increase in performance behind the Roaf, Waters, and Shields offensive line.

But Charles had the unfortunate luck of playing under Herm Edwards, Todd Haley, and Romeo Crennel, all before he could benefit from playing for an offensive minded coach.

But what Priest did running the football, catching the football, and his absolute gift for finding the end zone, are the reasons why I vote for Holmes.

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I loved watching Priest but Charles was much better. Hell, Charles is a HoF if he could have remained healthy.

Priest had one of the best lines in NFL history. Charles ran behind absolute shit for lines. If Charles had that line he may have averaged 7+ ypc.

Priest ran behind maybe the greatest OL ever assembled. Any decent back puts up great stats behind that OL. Priest was an above average back who benefited from an all time great OL.


Jamaal put up great numbers behind a below average OL.

I’d say Priest suffers from nostalgia bias. Those times were fun. Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards was not fun.



Jamaal would bounce that outside, had a sandwich and walked into the end zone. That was fun, but just because Jamaal didn’t do that doesn’t mean that play isn’t 6. Prime Jamaal never got caught on the outside.

If for no other reason, look at LJ before he got hurt who wrecked oussies behind that line but didn’t do ****all behind Herms line then he gets hurt and Jamaal lights the ****ing world on fire.

He did. He broke away for like a 50 yard run in the 2nd half and got caught from behind. He was stripped and whoever tackled him came up with the ball. They were the only two players within 50 yards of the ball and the Colts came up with it. Priest was probably 15-20 yards from scoring and got chased down with nobody else in sight.

On that bullshit offensive PI call on TG, we ended up missing a field goal. That’s 14 points taken off the board. We win that game fairly easily with those two plays...even without forcing a punt.

We were cursed.

Not even a question, man...

Priest eats more nachos any day any time over Charles.

Don't make me choose.

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Charles for sure.

Priest was a TD machine. He timed the jump over the line so well. Jamaal was smooth as silk and had just deceptive speed. For some reason he often seemed to get tackled just before going over the goal line, which is why that TD total isn't higher. He also was prone to coughing up the ball. I think Jamaal was more talented, Priest was a better "player". I trusted Priest to always get it in. So I think I've talked myself into giving it to Priest. Seeing Jamaal behind Priest's line though, that would have been a thing of beauty. Damn, tougher than I thought.

Jamaal Returned a kick for a touchdown as well

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This is a tough one. I'm too dang nostalgic to pick JC. And Priest never played for the ****ing donx, that alone excludes JC.

i can't vote for "I've always wanted to play for the Donkies" or he would have gotten my vote.

Jamaal Charles was a beast in the Special Olympics he was faster than all those people with mobilized disabilities.

Priest.

Priest was a good back behind a great line. His gift was patience and vision. He wasn't a back like JC who could house it on any given play.

Loved Charles, too bad he got hurt so much!

JC all day.

priest gots that superbowl ring tho

I love priest but, yep it’s Charles

What’s their playoff records in KC? I’ll vote for the one with the most wins...

I'll take Priest. He was a better all around back, good strong runner, great pass catcher, elite pass blocker (for a running back). Yes, he had an elite O-Line to play behind, but Priest always seemed to come up big in the biggest moments. Even the playoff debacle against Indy in 03, Priest did his part. Always went all out.

While JC was a better runner and more athletically gifted player and did play behind sub par O-Lines, he seemed to shrink in the 'big' games. Playoff games, games against the Denver Mannings, etc. Whether it was due to injury, lack of fortitude, frustration, whatever, he just didn't seem to really rise to the challenge when they needed him in the 'big' moments.

I'll go with Priest every day of the week and twice on Sunday . . . . .

Priest certainly produced more. His stretch from 2001-2003 has to be the greatest three-year stretch by any RB in history. If not, it's damn close. He was even on pace for a 30 TD season in 2004 before missing the latter half due to injury. He legit had 15 TDs in 8 games lol ****ing absurd.

Yeah, I just did some quick maffs- this man Priest AVERAGED 1,500 rushing yards, 600 receiving yards and 20 TDs during that 01-03 stretch.

But you can't talk about Priest without mentioning that All-Time OL while Jamaal was incredible in his own right. Just such a natural. He was certainly more talented than Priest and had the vision to match. In my opinion, he's one of the most talented RBs of all time. You don't just average 5.5 YPC for your career, especially when the majority of it was spent as the only legitimate weapon on your offense.

He had some great seasons as well. In 2009 he broke out and led the league in rushing the last 9 weeks in which he started, 2010 he averaged a ridiculous 6.4 YPC, 2012 he rushed for over 1,500 yards, 2013 he scored 19 TDs in 15 games, he scored 14 TDs in 2014 while dealing with the high ankle sprain, and was leading the league in TDs in 2015 before tearing his ACL that second time.

Patience and power go to Priest. Ball security goes to Priest by a country ****ing mile. Vision, durability and pass catching/blocking ability are a wash, I'd say. Speed and quickness go to Jamaal, easily.

Jamaal is the more gifted back.

This kind of feels like picking the child you love the best.

Give me Barry Word over either...

Charles. By a long shot. I love Priest, but Charles would have been better if he played for the 2003 Chiefs. I also think Priest would be worse if he played for the Chiefs during Charles time.

I've heard everyone here talk about how great the line was in 2003. There's one other factor that helped Priest Holmes tremendously. Tony Richardson. That man was a beast. All those touchdowns that Priest got? Look how many of them were following behind T-Rich. I remember watching him pancake someone, then go block someone else as Holmes strolled in for the TD.

The yards Charles got were playing with coaches like Herm and Romeo. I can only dream of what it would look like if he were playing with the 2003 Chiefs. Not only having that world class line, but also having an actual threat of a passing game to defend. When Charles played, he was all the defense had to key in on. There was no downfield passing threat. Look at how many yards Charles came up with even when the other team stacked 8 in the box. He was amazing.

I love them both though. It would have been crazy to see them both in the backfield at the same time in '03.

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