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Suh over berry if he fell to us?
just wondering what everyone would do if both where still there when we draft.
id hate spending three years worth of first round draft picks on DL and still suck. |
I'd like to get a DC in place, firmly, before we even make any draft decisions. If it's Crennel, so be it. I don't want to handcuff the DC without getting his solid input, assuming its worth a damn.
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That being said, our safety position is causing way more damage to our overall defense than any other position. Including the lack of a fat DT.
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You go with Suh and make it work. You can't mortgage your future because you f'd up in the past.
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i would hope that if Suh and Berry both fell to us we would trade down a draft spot or something and then take Berry.
just don't see how Suh fits on our team unless we go back to a 4-3 or they think that Suh can play nose tackle ala Jay Ratliff for Dallas. |
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The pass rush will get much better once we have a solid backfield. |
Even if our Dline gets a better push and we still dont have a safety, teams will dink and dunk us all the way down the field on screens and tight end dump offs.
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I would pray that some team would be willing to move up to get Suh. I think this team needs Berry worse than Suh, but it wouldn't shock me at all if they went Suh in that scenario as he would help sell more tickets immediately.
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i mean solid,unspectacular safeties are pretty common. It's when you get one that is a stud that they get expensive. |
Hali, Jackson, Dorsey, Suh...all #1 picks....
That would be incredible....or incredible "on paper" :) |
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I'd like to see them go after a proven NT in FA and pick up Berry in the draft. If they did it the other way around I wouldn't be too upset as long as both positions are filled with actual NFL playmakers by September.
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it's much easier to get a decent safety in FA than a DT. all depends on how you rate Suh vs Berry though :shrug: |
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First, Suh won't fall to us but if by some miracle Detroit picks another WR you take him at 3rd and do the happy dance.
Plus, more ticket sales to the NE fans. |
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Berry no contest. He is exactly the type of player Kansas City needs. If opponents can get some fear of Jesus Berry in the backfield the pressure will get that extra tick that will make em arrive on time instead of just after the QB let go.
Berry would upgrade the corners, safties and linebackers. Suh would probably help the d line and inside linebackers but that's about it. He is not the type of player to change the way an opposing team plays you, Berry is. |
You guys really want to spend another Top 5 draft pick on a 5-technique?
Doing this means: Our last 3 R1 picks, all of whom were top 5, play the same position. We'd have over $100M wrapped up in the three of them. Who becomes the rotational guy? Dorsey or Jackson? What happens to McGee? Or did we waste a R3 on him? |
That'd be one hell of a decision to make.
It'd be hard to pass on a prospect like Suh with a 3-4 scheme. At the same time though... You might be able to trade down 2 spots and pick up an extra (high) #2 and STILL get Berry. |
If Berry is there when we pick,and they don't take him,they should all pack up and go to Walmart for a job.
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Look at Detroit, they drafted an ass load of WR's in the 1st round: Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, Roy Williams, before they finally landed on CJ. Sometimes you just have to admit the mistake and move on. You can't move on if you're still trying to convince yourself that (____ player X) wasn't a mistake and even if they weren't a mistake anyway, you still don't pass up on the best player in the draft if they fall to you. |
I'd take Eric Berry. You can not invest another 30 million on this defensive line.
That would be Matt Millen dumb. |
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In alot of ways, the Chiefs have never moved on from Blackledge.... |
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ok...but its still detroit how many games have they won in the past 5 years? i wouldnt base your argument on drafting another DL on something detroit has done IMO |
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Glenn Dorsey is not Charles Rogers and Tyson Jackson is not Mike Williams. These players can work in this system. That argument doesn't hold an ounce of water.
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a new CBA will probably include a slotting system for the draft making our pick incredibly more valuable. without a new CBA the FA period will probably suck which will make it doubly hard for crappy teams to acquire talent and easier on teams looking to keep their talent. |
I would say suh, I see a reggie white kind of inside outside passrusher game changer at the LOS
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Berry>Suh in our defense.
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We need a fat ass that can take on a double-team in the middle of our line. Suh is not that.
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The possibility of trading down a slot or two intrigues me though cause we could still get Berry and add another #2. A Golden Tate/Sergio Kindle/Brandon Spikes Round 2 would be insane... |
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Ratliff 6'4" 303lbs Suh 6'4" 300lbs |
I'd rather have Berry. ****, how much 1st rnd talent do we need on the D-Line? We need to spread the wealth man. we're going to have the most expensive D-line in the NFL, with only 3 guys playing on it.
And who wants to go though a 3rd straight year of "X-lineman is a bust in his first year". Im tired of hearing that shit. We'll just hear it again if we draft Suh. But anywho....say we did draft Suh, would you be opposed to trading our two second rnd picks to move up and draft Mays? Because if we could land Suh AND a top safety talent, well, that changes shit. |
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I wouldn't trade out of the Top 5 though. |
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I don't doubt that they can work in our system, I think a lot of Dorsey and always have. Not a fan of TJ but I could be wrong and I'll be the first to admit it if I am. At best I expect TJ to be an average player here. He wasn't worth the #3 pick thru no fault of his own, but he now must live up to that pick. I don't think he can but I know that Suh can and I don't think you pass on a player of his caliber because you have a mediocre player already filling the position. TJ's first year stats DO NOT compare favorably to those of any good 5 tech. For the record I wouldn't be opposed to drafting Suh and trading him or keeping him and trading TJ. If TJ has done such a bang up job then maybe BB would be willing to give us his 2010 1st rounder. :rolleyes: |
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We'd have to package a #3 as well or probably a player. |
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You take Suh and thank Satan he fell to you
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imo Mays isn't even worth a 1st round pick he's probably gonna end up moving to linebacker ala urlacher and will be a project of sorts. |
You draft Suh because he makes everyone around him better.
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Lets win the Holiday Bowl before we discuss drafting Suh
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The Chiefs 3-4 is nothing like the Dallas 3-4, the Chiefs are trying to build that boring NE 3-4 where big fat guys play up front and stop the run and the LB's only blitz sometimes.
The NE style of 3-4 is nothing like the Pittsburgh style or the Dallas style. And for the style this team seems to want to play, which is the boring one I might add, Suh has no spot unless you want 3 top 5 picks to rotate in 2 spots. |
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For shits and grins:
If Pioli were willing to return to the 43, would you draft Suh? Or, are you still in favor of Berry, Clausen, etc? |
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Jackson was a 4-3 end at LSU
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But I could understand the Spiller selection, too. Has to be one of these two players. Taking Clausen would ensure the possibility of a trade, but we've already gone down this road with this logic before... |
Also for the Taylor Mays talk his likely scenarios have him ending up in Seattle or San Fran...if he falls past there it becomes a huge tossup where he goes you'd probably see San Diego shit their pants to try to get him.
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If the Chiefs were to move back to the 4-3 I'd simply trade Hali for a 2nd or 3rd and sign Aaron Kampman. Jackson is like a Jamaal Anderson 4-3 D-end.
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This convo is pointless anyway, the odds we ever don't play 3-4 with Pioli here are less than him admitting Cassel sucks.
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I'd take Suh. If he is what we think he is then how could you not?
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If we were to consider going back to a 4-3 the better questions would be do you stand pat and take McCoy or would you give up our 1st and 2b to move up for Suh? |
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I remember when Dorsey was Suh 2 years ago....
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Basically, I'm curious if people think Suh is so good that he would warrant talk about the switch. That's all. |
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That's depending on who you talk to, the former Ravens scout who has a Twitter account was asked that question and he said the team he worked for didn't think highly of Dorsey.
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just say no to D tackles in the first round. Its that simple. Runaway,runaway,runaway........
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this team sucks at picking them.....is good enough for me.:) |
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If we pass on Suh in ANY scenario, we will have missed the boat.
Arrowhead erupting to chants of SUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH during games will give us chills. |
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