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Dante84 03-10-2022 03:50 PM

Chargers trading for Khalil Mack
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Khalil Mack is now expected to be headed back to the AFC West...to team with Joey Bosa now.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1502039180293165068?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The compensation<br>The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chargers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chargers</a> are sending a 2nd rounder and a 6th rounder in 2023 for Mack. Massive. <a href="https://t.co/YErXO5Bxhv">https://t.co/YErXO5Bxhv</a></p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1502039178879680530?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Franchise 03-10-2022 03:51 PM

Jesus Christ. Might be nice to have a RT worth a shit right now.

Titty Meat 03-10-2022 03:52 PM

This division is getting spooky

The Franchise 03-10-2022 03:52 PM

And this has nothing to do with this trade...but **** the Patriots for playing in a shit division for so long.

Dante84 03-10-2022 03:53 PM

Bills just moonwalking on the ceiling right now

Sofa King 03-10-2022 03:56 PM

Jesus ****

Sassy Squatch 03-10-2022 03:56 PM

How did he only fetch a second?

Imon Yourside 03-10-2022 03:56 PM

Crazy

comochiefsfan 03-10-2022 03:57 PM

Bills are going to cruise to the 1 seed.

Bart Vatch needs to get busy.

Our competition is coming for us. We cannot get complacent.

ToxSocks 03-10-2022 03:57 PM

Damn. The opps are gunning for us now.

Dante84 03-10-2022 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16184519)
Jesus Christ. Might be nice to have a RT worth a shit right now.

Yessir.

And lowkey, I feel more pull for a capable RB to take pressure of the passing game.

Not saying we need to sell the farm or draft one early, but... we need the run game to be consistently successful moving forward.

DJ's left nut 03-10-2022 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16184526)
Bills just moonwalking on the ceiling right now

Yeah - totally fair having 1 !@#$ing bye week...

Man this division is loaded. Just absolutely brutal.

ForeverIowan 03-10-2022 03:58 PM

Get ready to throw Jordan Davis right between Mack and Bosa. Dear Lord!

Veach you gotta respond!

Titty Meat 03-10-2022 03:58 PM

We couldn't afford Mack right?

comochiefsfan 03-10-2022 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16184536)
Yeah - totally fair having 1 !@#$ing bye week...

Man this division is loaded. Just absolutely brutal.

It's going to be very difficult to get the 1 seed going forward.

That AFC title game may haunt us for years.

Quesadilla Joe 03-10-2022 03:59 PM

AFCW in panic mode now that Russ is in the division.

MIAdragon 03-10-2022 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 16184542)
AFCW in panic mode now that Russ is in the division.

Lmao, no.

RunKC 03-10-2022 04:01 PM

Chargers taking advantage of a damn good QB on a rookie contract as they should

Titty Meat 03-10-2022 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16184547)
Chargers taking advantage of a damn good QB on a rookie contract as they should

Yeah but their coach is a moron

KCUnited 03-10-2022 04:02 PM

Welcome to IR, Khalil

TwistedChief 03-10-2022 04:02 PM

Ugh. Now Mahomes won’t have enough time to get Metcalf the ball.

ForeverIowan 03-10-2022 04:02 PM

They arent even close to done either. So much cap space.

PattyFlakes 03-10-2022 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 16184542)
AFCW in panic mode now that Russ is in the division.

Lmao. Still can’t figure out whether or not you actually believe the shit you say or if you’re a DeBerg level troll.

KC Hawks 03-10-2022 04:04 PM

WTF POLES????

mkp785 03-10-2022 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16184535)
Yessir.

And lowkey, I feel more pull for a capable RB to take pressure of the passing game.

Not saying we need to sell the farm or draft one early, but... we need the run game to be consistently successful moving forward.

We need another WR. Draft someone early and sign a cheap vet like Juju....maybe both.

We could grab Lenny F once he hits the market I guess, but he's probably going to the highest bidder since he already has a ring.

staylor26 03-10-2022 04:06 PM

This is a transition period.

Let the teams in our division trade and sign older veterans all they want.

What we need to do is take this time to use our draft picks wisely and get younger/cheaper.

Make your one big splash move (hopefully a pass rusher) and use the rest to find value in free agency.

Absolutely no reason to panic.

BWillie 03-10-2022 04:06 PM

Can we petition to join the NFC?

MagicHef 03-10-2022 04:06 PM

How does this make sense for the Bears?

Titty Meat 03-10-2022 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16184560)
This is a transition period.

Let the teams in our division trade and sign older veterans all they want.

What we need to do is take this time to use our draft picks wisely and get younger/cheaper.

Make your one big splash move (hopefully a pass rusher) and use the rest the find value in free agency.

Absolutely no reason to panic.

We're getting DK Metcalf fam

The Franchise 03-10-2022 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 16184562)
How does this make sense for the Bears?

They’re rebuilding. A 31 year old pass rusher isn’t going to help them right now. And who knows if they got a better offer for him.

Sassy Squatch 03-10-2022 04:08 PM

Wow, he really hasn't been all that impressive for at least a couple years.

ForeverIowan 03-10-2022 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16184560)
This is a transition period.

Let the teams in our division trade and sign older veterans all they want.

What we need to do is take this time to use our draft picks wisely and get younger/cheaper.

Make your one big splash move (hopefully a pass rusher) and use the rest to find value in free agency.

Absolutely no reason to panic.

F that! Take the Rams route and get aggressive.

Coochie liquor 03-10-2022 04:09 PM

Good move for them. Their D was bad last year. Competition in the division isn’t bad. Only the Pats are lucky enough to play in a shit division for 2 decades. We still have Mahomes, and no other team does. We have the advantage.

The Franchise 03-10-2022 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 16184568)
F that! Take the Rams route and get aggressive.

God no.

-King- 03-10-2022 04:10 PM

Well ****.


The NFC might as well be a feeder league at this point.

The Franchise 03-10-2022 04:11 PM

Those “Chargers are going to win the AFC West” articles are about to write themselves.

ForeverIowan 03-10-2022 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16184571)
God no.

Reid/Kelce/Hill not getting any younger. Strike while you have A HOF coach and two HOF pass catchers. Will be a freaking shame if this group only comes away with one ring.

PattyFlakes 03-10-2022 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16184574)
Those “Chargers are going to win the AFC West” articles are about to write themselves.

They were already written in January… just like every season.

staylor26 03-10-2022 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 16184568)
F that! Take the Rams route and get aggressive.

We don’t have to do that to win. That’s the point.

We can still win the division while ensuring that we’re also better off in the future.

The Franchise 03-10-2022 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 16184576)
Reid/Kelce/Hill not getting any younger. Strike while you have A HOF coach and two HOF pass catchers. Will be a freaking shame if this group only comes away with one ring.

The only one on that roster that’s truly getting older is Kelce. And selling out while forfeiting the future of this team for a ring right now is dumb. It’s not like we’re middle of the pack. Jesus.

ForeverIowan 03-10-2022 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16184578)
We don’t have to do that to win. That’s the point.

We can still win the division while ensuring that we’re also better off in the future.

Sure as shit would have given our 2nd and 3rd rounder for Von Miller last year. If Von Miller was wearing red in January/February last year Mahomes and Reid have their 2nd ring.

-King- 03-10-2022 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16184582)
The only one on that roster that’s truly getting older is Kelce. And selling out while forfeiting the future of this team for a ring right now is dumb. It’s not like we’re middle of the pack. Jesus.

Did the rams really forfeit the future?

BossChief 03-10-2022 04:16 PM

He’s still a good player, but he hit a wall last year and his play fell off.

First year in at least 6 that he wasn’t rated as an elite player by advanced metrics as well as PFF.

Hopefully, a change of scenery doesn’t rejuvenate him.

The Franchise 03-10-2022 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16184586)
Did the rams really forfeit the future?

Not having cost controlled players with those picks is eventually going to **** that team over.

And so far…all they got out of it was one ring. Just like us.

MagicHef 03-10-2022 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16184589)
He’s still a good player, but he hit a wall last year and his play fell off.

First year in at least 6 that he wasn’t rated as an elite player by advanced metrics as well as PFF.

Hopefully, a change of scenery doesn’t rejuvenate him.

I wonder if any of that had to do with the fact that he missed 10 games after having foot surgery.

staylor26 03-10-2022 04:18 PM

When they zig, you zag.

The last few years not having 1st round picks and watching the Broncos and Chargers stack up on young talent has frustrated me.

Now, it’s us with the opportunity to use the draft while those teams go all-in.

And the best part is we can just as easily come out on top.

BossChief 03-10-2022 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 16184583)
Sure as shit would have given our 2nd and 3rd rounder for Von Miller last year. If Von Miller was wearing red in January/February last year Mahomes and Reid have their 2nd ring.

**** that.

I’ll keep Bolton and Creed if it’s all the same to you.

-King- 03-10-2022 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16184590)
Not having cost controlled players with those picks is eventually going to **** that team over.

And so far…all they got out of it was one ring. Just like us.

The Rams have a younger roster than us...

https://www.phillyvoice.com/ranking-...-2021-edition/

The Franchise 03-10-2022 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16184597)
The Rams have a younger roster than us...

https://www.phillyvoice.com/ranking-...-2021-edition/

What does age have to do with cost controlled players that are starters?

The Franchise 03-10-2022 04:22 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chargers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chargers</a> are taking on all of Mack’s contract — three years at $63.9M. The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bears?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bears</a> move on with the picks. <a href="https://t.co/hDXR9qZa1Z">https://t.co/hDXR9qZa1Z</a></p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1502046671542308870?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

threebag 03-10-2022 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 16184542)
AFCW in panic mode now that Russ is in the division.

You been reading Marty and Clays bullshit too?

staylor26 03-10-2022 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16184597)
The Rams have a younger roster than us...

https://www.phillyvoice.com/ranking-...-2021-edition/

How many Nick Bolton, Creed Humphrey, Trey Smith caliber players do they have on rookie deals? How many will they have?

It’s not just about the roster being young. It’s about cost controlled talent.

ForeverIowan 03-10-2022 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16184594)
When they zig, you zag.

The last few years not having 1st round picks and watching the Broncos and Chargers stack up on young talent has frustrated me.

Now, it’s us with the opportunity to use the draft while those teams go all-in.

And the best part is we can just as easily come out on top.

You take that attitude you are likely to end up the Seahawks or even Packers for that matter. Never willing to take a gamble to put your franchise over the top. That in turn will be a really damn good way to piss off Mahomes. Dude takes an enormous team friendly deal and the front office never gets truly aggressive to pile up rings. HOF coaches and HOF pass catchers dont grow on trees have to strike in the next 2-3 years! Regroup from there.

duncan_idaho 03-10-2022 04:23 PM

Well damn. That seems like a steal for Mack.

rabblerouser 03-10-2022 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16184535)

And lowkey, I feel more pull for a capable RB to take pressure of the passing game.

Not saying we need to sell the farm or draft one early, but... we need the run game to be consistently successful moving forward.

So, low-key want to point out that CEH and McKinnon combined for over 100 yards and almost 5 ypc in the Bengals playoff loss.

Wouldn't matter if Walter Payton in his prime is back there if Andy won't run the ****ing ball.

Spoiler!

staylor26 03-10-2022 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 16184609)
You take that attitude you are likely to end up the Seahawks or even Packers for that matter. Never willing to take a gamble to put your franchise over the top. That in turn will be a really damn good way to piss off Mahomes. Dude takes an enormous team friendly deal and the front office never gets truly aggressive to pile up rings. HOF coaches and HOF pass catchers dont grow on trees have to strike in the next 2-3 years! Regroup from there.

I literally said they should make a big splash this offseason.

Those teams ended up the way they did because they didn’t draft well enough.

Also, the Packers aren’t a good example considering talent hasn’t at all been the problem the last few years.

TomBarndtsTwin 03-10-2022 04:26 PM

Not sure what Mack’s salary cap number is, but wish we could have made that trade . . . . .

The Franchise 03-10-2022 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 16184615)
Not sure what Mack’s salary cap number is, but wish we could have made that trade . . . . .

2022 - $17.5 million
2023 - $22.7 million
2024 - $23 million

DJ's left nut 03-10-2022 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16184605)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chargers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chargers</a> are taking on all of Mack’s contract — three years at $63.9M. The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bears?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bears</a> move on with the picks. <a href="https://t.co/hDXR9qZa1Z">https://t.co/hDXR9qZa1Z</a></p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1502046671542308870?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

There's no guaranteed money left on his deal and the signing bonuses all appear to have converted. So he'll carry cap hits of $17.75, $22.9 and $23.25 million over the next 3 years with the Chargers looking at zero risk as they can cut him with no harm done.

The one issue I could see with the contract is that the base salaries are already pretty high so they can't really wiggle out of much there absent turning it into bonus that will then start to make things difficult to move on from him if they chose to. Then again, if it knocks his year 1 hit down, it makes rollover that forward pays it anyway.

Similar to the Ben Grubbs extension when we traded for him. We immediately extended him and pushed some salary into bonus, but his year 1 cap got so low it created a lot of rollover that essentially covered the dead money when we ended up releasing him when it turned out he was a broke-dick.

BryanBusby 03-10-2022 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16184610)
Well damn. That seems like a steal for Mack.

Is it? I'm not sure. He has played with a very good Robert Quinn lately and hasn't really impressed.

Maybe Bosa taking the attention will change things.

-King- 03-10-2022 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16184604)
What does age have to do with cost controlled players that are starters?

Most of their starters are either on their rookie contracts or just started their 2nd contracts. Theyve actually done a really good job of being aggressive but also keeping the roster young and competitive for the future.

MagicHef 03-10-2022 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 16184620)
Is it? I'm not sure. He has played with a very good Robert Quinn lately and hasn't really impressed.

Maybe Bosa taking the attention will change things.

He had 6 sacks in 7 games, then broke his foot. Seems like he’s still pretty good.

notorious 03-10-2022 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16184616)
2022 - $17.5 million
2023 - $22.7 million
2024 - $23 million

Cheaper than Frank Clark.

Of course.

The Franchise 03-10-2022 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16184621)
Most of their starters are either on their rookie contracts or just started their 2nd contracts. Theyve actually done a really good job of being aggressive but also keeping the roster young and competitive for the future.

And without those picks, they're going to be hard pressed to backfill their roster with quality depth or replace starters when the time comes.

Plus they're going to have to give a new deal to Stafford here as well, plus pay OBJ and Von Miller if they want to keep them.

staylor26 03-10-2022 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16184621)
Most of their starters are either on their rookie contracts or just started their 2nd contracts. Theyve actually done a really good job of being aggressive but also keeping the roster young and competitive for the future.

Please tell me all the good starters that the Rams have on rookie contracts?

Wisconsin_Chief 03-10-2022 04:33 PM

Veach and Reid better have something up their sleeves. That's all you can hope at this point.

Titty Meat 03-10-2022 04:33 PM

So could we have afforded Mack or nah?

The Franchise 03-10-2022 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16184631)
So could we have afforded Mack or nah?

Currently? Not really. It would have for sure cost us Ward and that's even with a Frank Clark release.

FloridaMan88 03-10-2022 04:35 PM

The Raiders got first round draft picks for Mack and Cooper and now both of their respective teams are moving on from them this offseason, getting less compensation in return (in the case of Cooper/Dallas maybe no compensation if they release him).

Too bad for the Raiders that they failed to capitalize on the draft picks received from those trades.

Titty Meat 03-10-2022 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 16184630)
Veach and Reid better have something up their sleeves. That's all you can hope at this point.

None of these moves made have made other teams better than us. There us absolutely no reason to depart from whatever plan Reid/Veach have

DJ's left nut 03-10-2022 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 16184626)
Cheaper than Frank Clark.

Of course.

But he changed the culture!!!

Did his job! Have you ever SEEN that guy set an edge? Jesus, I'm rock hard just thinking about it. Dude sets an edge like Bode Miller out there.

BWillie 03-10-2022 04:37 PM

I would have gave up a 1st rd and a 3rd rounder for Mack - let alone what the Chargers gave up. But I guess our cap situation couldn't make it happen.

AdolfOliverBush 03-10-2022 04:37 PM

He just turned 31 and played in 7 games last year. Color me unworried.

BryanBusby 03-10-2022 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 16184625)
He had 6 sacks in 7 games, then broke his foot. Seems like he’s still pretty good.

That's better than I thought. Must of blacked out anytime the Bears were on.

Frazod 03-10-2022 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16184566)
They’re rebuilding. A 31 year old pass rusher isn’t going to help them right now. And who knows if they got a better offer for him.

Exactly. While I'm surprised they didn't get more compensation, they need picks and they need to free up some cash. Their priority right now should be upgrading the OL and keeping Fields alive until the can emerge from Pace's shadow.

The Franchise 03-10-2022 04:39 PM

He makes their pass rush better for sure. They still need to fix their secondary and run defense though.

The Raiders are ****ed with their offensive line though. ROFL

ChiefsCountry 03-10-2022 04:40 PM

Mahomes has skull ****ed the entire AFC West. Its made all the teams go nuts trying to beat him.

staylor26 03-10-2022 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 16184649)
That's better than I thought. Must of blacked out anytime the Bears were on.

He also hasn’t had double digit sacks in 3 years.

He’s still very good, but the the Khalil Mack we remember.

FloridaMan88 03-10-2022 04:42 PM

Chargers have invested a lot of $$$ in injury prone players this week… Mike Williams and now Mack.

The Franchise 03-10-2022 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16184658)
He also hasn’t had double digit sacks in 3 years.

He’s still very good, but the the Khalil Mack we remember.

And for all of the talk about Joey Bosa.....dude isn't anywhere near being considered elite.


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