Part of Oklahoma (kind of) secedes from the United States
 

The Supreme Court ruled today that a big chunk of Oklahoma is actually a Native American reservation, including most of Tulsa. Apparently this impacts what laws apply, so state law may not exist in Tulsa any more.

Link below. Apparently the Muscogee Indians argued that their reservation was never officially taken away when Oklahoma became a state. The government believed that statehood rendered the reservation moot, but the Supreme Court disagrees. So as of today we now have an enormous reservation that apparently controls Tulsa, and I bet they buy Dan Snyder's team once they kill off all of the illegal settlers and take their stuff.

I wonder about the other Indian lands now. It seems like other Indian tribes can make the same argument.

https://theturtleislandnews.com/inde...l-reservation/

So the only remaining (kind of) state of Oklahoma is the panhandle?

If the local tribes are savvy then they'd turn Tulsa into a tax haven.

It's hard to figure out, but I think the new reservation is the Muscogee area in the middle of the map. I think there are other reservations that exist already, too. But I'm wondering if all of those Indian lands in the map will hop on the bandwagon.

Wellll we all know we ****ed over the Indians. Here lay down your arms. We will give you this worthless land. Binding legal agreements signed. Later it has value, sorry our bad, GTFO

I guess the residents in these areas will have to be put on a long march somewhere to be relocated.

Trail of beers

I'm curious what happens if you own a house or business there. Doesn't the tribe own everything on the reservation? I could be wrong on that, and maybe different tribes do things differently.

That would be unprecedented. Well, almost.

Apparently this all came about because a convicted pedophile argued that the state couldn't prosecute him because the land was actually Native land and not the state. He threw up a complete hail mary that's going to cause all sorts of problems, and may actually work for him.

The Navajo land in northern Arizona is a separate entity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navajo_Nation#Government

I thought this was interesting:

LMAO well played sir, well played.:thumb:

I've driven through it. It's weird as hell, pulling people over to search their cars like the border in Mexico

Everyone currently living on the reservation, including all of Tulsa, can vote to be part of Oklahoma. Problem solved.

Let's invade!

Usually you want to invade somewhere that has something of value.


I don't think Big Splash is worth the effort

WOW

Seems most people here are part of some tribe anyway. Everyone has a Cherokee or Muscogee license plate.

What about the Blue Whale of Catoosa? THINK ABOUT THE BLUE WHALE FOR GOD'S SAKE!


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I casino problem with this

This was my first thought; Tulsa is going to become the new Vegas.

Growing Weed

Boeing Aerospace, Pratt & Whitney, Lockheed Martin Aircraft, Northrop Grumman, General Electric Aviation and AAR Aircraft Services all have major operations in OK. Most of those (possibly all) produce military aircraft/parts/engines in OK.

Oklahoma was the fourth-largest crude oil producer among the states in 2019, and it accounted for nearly 5% of the nation's crude oil production.
As of January 2019, Oklahoma had 5 operable petroleum refineries with a combined daily processing capacity of almost 523,000 barrels per day, nearly 3% of the total U.S. capacity.

Oklahoma had the fourth-largest gross withdrawals of natural gas among the states in 2019 and accounted for about 9% of the nation's marketed production.

The benchmark price in the domestic spot market for the U.S. crude oil known as West Texas Intermediate (WTI) is set at Cushing, Oklahoma, home to about 15% of the nation’s commercial crude oil storage capacity.

In 2019, Oklahoma ranked second after Texas in total electricity net generation from wind and was third in wind's share of state generation after Iowa and Kansas. Wind supplied nearly 35% of Oklahoma's net generation, more than any other source.

Guessing water parks won't be among the top 100 reasons the U.S. won't just give up OK to the Muscogees, SCOTUS ruling or not.

From what I can see just skimming the opinion:

1. The state of Oklahoma still exists;
2. Part of Oklahoma is Indian land, which was not abolished by the creation of the state of Oklahoma
3. One effect of Indian land is that the State of Oklahoma does not have jurisdiction to try enrolled tribal members for crimes that occur on Indian land. This means that prosecution for such persons on such land will have to either be in tribal or federal courts

The decision seems to recognize that there is a 'reservation in fact' in Oklahoma without discussing any potential impacts this will have outside of the impact on Major Crimes Act on Indian Land.

The Oklahoma AG issued a joint statement with several tribes that they are working on a resolution to present to Congress to resolve this issue. My guess is that after the initial argument on this issue, Oklahoma could see the writing on the wall and started negotiating with the tribes. Announcement is here:

http://www.oag.ok.gov/state-muscogee...in-mcgirt-case

Imagine if we didn’t let the losers of a war dictate anything

Tulsa is an awful place.

They have a cool riverfront. Outside of that, the best thing to do there is leave.

We didn't. This was the worst land possible we could have given Native Americans and forced them to take it. We then decided to ignore those "treaties" and take the land back anyway. We're fighting against the dictations of U.S. policymakers of the 1800's here.

yeah, Oklahoma and Congress needs to negotiate a settlement with the Tribes, because their next move is to stop paying income and sales taxes. On the tribal side of the table though, they probably still need state services and help to maintain infrastructure, so a deal ought to be possible.

I guess someone needs to rescue me then.

Cool. I hope they build a larger casino.

It's time to build a wall around it.

Cheap cigarettes. Yay.

Nope.

bwhahahhahha someone knows about that other than me.

I've visited that a couple of times. It's a landmark off of old Route 66. Highly recommend.

Looks like it's time to play cowboys and indians again.

LMAO Winner

Did you go down the slide into that nasty looking pond it's in? LMAO

Oh no I wasn't that brave. That would tear your skin right off. But I did climb the ladder to get into the whale head area and took some pictures with it. I don't really understand why I had so much fun at some old whale water park that is now decrepit but I did.

kind of off topic, but if you're interested in reading about the history of the oklahoma osage tribe murders over their oil and the birth of the fbi, "killers of the flower moon", is a great book
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"The Battle for the Blue Whale of Catoosa" has a nice ring to it...

Hell I climbed up on to the tail for a selfie. And the water looks even more disgusting in this pic. ROFL


https://i.imgur.com/Yj2iJmt.jpg

This is going to get messy.

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LMAO

We have defeated them on the battlefield. Took their land. Forced them off the good land that we wanted, Gave them the worst land in what is now the USA. Then took it again. Forced them to move again to what is now crappier land and we took the good land again. I think we have behaved like the victors the whole time. We could/should have shown some compassion towards them at many times over the years. We could have done that and still be the big dog winners.

We show large amounts of compassion towards them. There are nations where conquered peoples fare much worse than here, if they weren’t simply wiped out.

I have no idea what the hell this means. And I'm probably better off for it.

Gonna throw a guess out there and say sec would **** the big sexy blue whale first, then the moderately handsome dude on the left, 2nd. In a "Rate them" quiz kinda way. Which is his choice, and there's nothing wrong with that....

Ah, gotcha. Think I'm ok with that. :thumb:

bravo! well done!

I was going to say it means you're sloppy seconds.

I'm just flattered he described me as moderately handsome.

Well... for a Nebraskan.... :D

Just drove through last week. Can confirm I was followed almost all the way through the reservation by a local "cop"?

Interesting. I've driven through the Navajo Nation a few times and don't really notice anything different from driving elsewhere. Of course, it's huge and remote, so most of the time you're not near anything but nature.

United States of Amazon.

Seriously, that’s a great idea — plus centrally located for shipping and manufacturing.

"Rocks, these are now our rocks"

And a LOT of them.

It's so famous they even make a soda after that gnarly place.

https://live.staticflickr.com/3845/1...f07f61bb_b.jpg

"Made with authentic Catoosa Whale pond water."

Good luck with that.

I'll cite the case of Finders vs Keepers.

Actually, they are hiring 1500 workers here in Tulsa at Amazon. They may be ahead of the game. :hmmm:

https://www.tulsaworld.com/business/...f6ef08cd5.html

They did give them some nice wool blankets for the winter months

Yeah! If we did that they would probably try to build statues and monuments to their war heroes, try and rewrite history to bury the real reason and whitewash it as some glorious "Lost Cause" and work in social economic systems to try and maintain their status quo. Can't have that.