Berry thinking about and checking into surgery
 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach said the team&#39;s medical staff will work through the needs for Eric Berry in the offseason. He mentioned that Berry was in Green Bay in the past few days. Notable because that&#39;s the base for renowned foot/ankle surgeon Bob Anderson who has tended to several <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>.</p>&mdash; Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattderrick/status/1093585140406726656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach said Eric Berry is going through every exam before deciding what&#39;s the best plan for him this offseason.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1093584236160970752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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hopefully they can do some non-invasive procedure on his Spirit as well.

Thread title fail.

Not sure OP can read.

No where does any of that say he's getting surgery for sure

"The plan that's best for him"

Get the surgery or retire, Berry. It's not ****ing hard. Pick one. Nobody cares. But just ****ing pick one.

Massive fail...

Isn't it better for the Chiefs if he gets the surgery after his physical?

If I was him I’d retire

Looks like he's day to day again

If he needs surgery how could he pass a physical?

…..as are we all

Act accordingly

What’s best for the Chiefs and Eric Berry is he retires.

Of course that won’t happen though.

He passed a physical to play the last game. Presumably nothing's changed since then.

Why the **** has it taken this long?

What the **** has he been doing?

Ok, so I'm kinda losing all respect for Berry.

Did you plan to just never play again or?

Link? I'm not sure they give players a physical before every game...

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Conspiracy theory: Berry hated Sutton and that was a big reason he sat out.

The guys on RGR podcast seemed to think if you can play a game you basically pass a physical. But they might not be 100% correct.

Obviously though to clear him to play in a game, they're going to be looking closely at any part of Berry's foot that might fail a physical.

Yeah pretty sure they are wrong

The players all take exit physicals at the end of the year.

So he's just now getting it looked at? What was he doing all year?

ROFL Link? Link? Link? It didn't happen unless you can see a link... The world, according to SAUTO, NEEDS LINKS AND NOTHING IS POSSIBLE WITHOUT THEM!!! DAMMIT! LMAO

Dumpster diving for Big Macs and sippin on a 40

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...dQv_gseJtQHBXU

He's having elective surgery, ya know like breast implants.

yip

May 31 surgery

Wait so it's 3 weeks later and he still hasn't had surgery yet?

So he's day to day really on getting surgery.

Yup.

Being cleared to play in a game is not the same as being able to pass a physical.

Does anyone think Kendall Fuller would pass a physical with pins in his wrist and a cast on his hand?

Almost 4.

For ****s goddamned ****ing sake, if he was going to get the shit, he should have been on the goddamned table the monday after ****holio lined up offsides.

In your experience with medical treatments, how fast did things get done for you, especially if it was a nonemergency surgery? How fast do you think your treatments or surgeries would take if you are waiting in line to have the best doctor do those treatments or surgeries? Now imagine for that doctor to check you physically you have to travel 1500 or more miles to do it. Now imagine you are signed to a multimillion-dollar contract and if this surgeon is wrong you may be out millions of dollars. Do you get a second opinion?

Wish he worthless ass would just retire.

You guys do know that if he retires, he still counts against the cap, right?

Link?

I do know that players get a physical after the season ends. Not before games though.

At least we wouldn't have to hear about the "day to day" or "he's progressing" bullshit.

Little solace in that. People here are going to bitch about something (or everything) regardless.

The Chiefs need cap room and they don't get that if Berry just up and retires.

They aren't getting cap room either way with him......unless they June 1st cut him.

Which is what they need to do.

The last thing the Chiefs need is for him to retire, even though that would appease some of the whiners here.

He should already be in the operating room. I wonder if he'll decide to have the surgery right before next season so it locks the Chiefs into paying another year of his contract?

Screwing the team after it took care of you, nice.

Unless they go after him to pay back the remaining bonus money:


link: https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...the-salary-cap

Good luck with that. No arbitrator is going to rule against a guy that's hurt. Do you remember what happened with Barry Sanders and the crap they went through trying to get his bonus back? And he was HEALTHY when he just up and quit.

Ok, the rest of that paragraph:

This is known as the "Barry Sanders Rule" because this is exactly how the situation played out in his case, as he was required to pay back a portion of his bonus. The difference between now and then is there was no precedent when Sanders played; now, it's explicitly written into the CBA to allow for this arbitration.

I agree with this. He should have had surgery Jan 11th

Right. Berry Sanders retired after the 1998 season. He missed the entire 1999 season and an arbitrator didn't rule on his case until FEBRUARY 2000.

Even then, the arbitrator ruled he had to pay back $1.8M of his $11M signing bonus (1999).

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...022-story.html

Berry retiring does not help the Chiefs. At all.

These dudes aren’t on the standard county hospital timeframe. After a dude close an ack he has surgery within the week.

Why?

There is not much difference. Chiefs would owe the remainder of his signing bonus money on the cap that could be spread out over two years.
If he retires the Chiefs can force him to give back the signing bonus for the years he didn't play which could give us that salary cap space as well.

Retirement is basically the same effect as a post June 1st cut I believe, it creates dead money but relieves cap space to some extent.

Because precedent says the Chiefs can only get back the signing bonus for the years he DOESN'T play, not didn't play.

Meaning, they get ZERO relief in 2019. And then have to see an arbitrator in 2020 to try and get his bonus back for 2019.

The Lions got $1.8M back once a year until his contract was up, not counting the first year. All while his contract still counted 100% against their cap.

Nope.

Retirement creates no cap relief at all until they go through arbitration and then it's spread out based on contingencies like him not playing again.

Hopefully the Oneida tribes can fix his spirits up there.

Actually, it appears the retirement works like a PRE-June 1st cut. Meaning they'd be on the hook immediately and can't spread it over 2 years. Finding conflicting information though, of course.

It is based on when he files the retirement paperwork. After June 1 still works but it can't be designated like a cut can (I don't think, not sure).

If he plans to not play he could let KC cut him with post June 1 designation and not sign with anyone else and file his retirement papers later in the year.

It appears it can't be designated. He'd have to actually retire after June 1st.

They could also cut him and he could sign somewhere else and just not retire, I would imagine.

It's all a big freaking mess. They need to just cut him and move on.

Making sure he can get paid for another year of doing absolutely nothing.

Well. yeah. But if he retires for what should be considered a non-football injury, then he could be required to pay back the prorated portion of his signing bonus. That would help the cap.

You're not quite getting this right.

If Berry retires right now, then yes, it is built into the CBA that he will have to give back a portion of his signing bonus. It doesn't take two years to figure out, because this is literally just de facto league rules now.

If he retires June 1, it is actually BETTER for the team than cutting him, because not only does the cap hit spread out over this year and next, same as a June 1 cut, but the returned prorated signing bonus would give extra cap relief, as well.

The BEST thing that can happen is Berry has the surgery and returns to 100% playing ability, finishes out his contract by helping win a Super Bowl, signs another massive deal elsewhere, and the Chiefs recover a comp pick.

I'm rooting for surgery to fix the Haglund's.

Not immediately. See previous posts about the Chiefs recovering the signing bonus. It will take several years and won't even start until after he's missed at a full season.

By the way, with three years left on the deal, Berry would have $12M in signing bonus that is up for grabs. That's quite a lot.

Where is it spelled out because I'm not finding that at all.

Again, you're only using the very first example of this as your timeline basis.

Also, doesn't his 2019 salary become fully guaranteed in March? Him retiring would wipe that out. I don't see it happening. I hope that he gets the surgery and comes back strong as ever. But him standing on the sideline all season while safety was by far our worst position group was frustrating. I really wish that Hunt hadn't stepped in and just let him walk after his contract was up. I love Berry. He WAS great. But now, he's just a salary cap killer doing more harm to the team than good.

It's the most prevalent example. I'm having a hard time finding any specifics at all, other than Sanders, that's what I'm trying to tell you.

I'm pretty sure that his salary for 2019 will be fully guaranteed in March. Now, hopefully a June 1 retirement would somehow negate that. But I'm not sure. That would add even more dead cap space. I would hate to see him retire and collect for a 3rd straight season of doing nothing.

He was also a HUGE ****ing distraction the majority of the season too.

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To YOU. Not to THE TEAM. Big ****ing difference. You do not matter at all. I do not matter at all. The team loves him. Ownership loves him. Your feelings don't mean dick in any of this so you might as well get over a player being injured.

Whatever man, I'm so over that guy

If Veach wants to keep him another year to see if we can maybe get 8 games out of him then fine... but only on the condition that we approach the draft and free agency as if the guy never existed

He cannot be counted on, so proceed accordingly

Man contract talk on here got so elevated around the time when we all discovered over the cap lol

Jesus ****ing Christ.

Just go away.

This has always been the best place to get all the info. There are people here that know a ton about stuff like that. It seems like I learn something new every day.

Jez, either get the surgery SOON, or GTFO.