Pope John Paul II
 

Today I listened to a talk about the Catholic religion and part of it dealed with the Pope - John Paul II. Isn't he amazing? The Pope is one of my heroes. He's so unbelievably good. This thread is a tribute thread to the living saint.

How many divisions does he have?

Ya, Catholicism rocks the casbaugh.

I think I'm going to spend a lot of time studying the man. It's ironic because, last week, a kid in school had a book about him and I was thinking to myself "Who'd waste their time on that?"

I think he has the Vatican South, Vatican Central, Vatican East & Vatican West. Each of the 4 Vatican division winners make the playoffs along with a couple of wild cards.

can he dunk a basketball?



i would think a living saint should be able to do a decent monster dunk.

I think he was a decent point guard back in the day. Injuries have slowed him down a lot now, though.

I'll bite my tongue...

No, go ahead, please.

It is hard for the Pope to walk. He is actually wheeled out on his chair to give mass. I saw it on the Travel Channel.

Is the Pope a better Saint than Archie Manning was?

"a talk?"

Care to explain?

A speaker came to a Confirmation retreat and gave about a 45 minute speech on Catholicism. Some of the martyrs and miracles that have happened and today's society. Mostly a short overview on everything.

So you're Catholic?

This explains everything...

You almost got me...

Uh oh.. I smell a catholic vs. mormon internet flame war brewing.

Cmon now Rausch. A different opinion would be good to hear. I'm interested in your thoughts.

Yes, gochiefs, a Catholic. I never thought I'd say this, but a proud one too.

I'm not mormon. Or anything at all, for that matter.

Ah.. my mistake. I thought I'd seen you post that somewhere.

I used to be involved with the Jehovah's Witnesses...

Show me in the bible where it says the Christians' god wanted there to be a Pope or Bishops....and after you do that, take your findings and place them on Martin Luther's grave.

Even if I were still religious at all, I would have to agree with Martin Luther...there shouldn't be a Pope, bishops, etc. Also, he had a pretty good point when he said that the antichrist is the one who puts himself in an ivory tower surrounded by luxury after Jesus said that the way to get into heaven was to be poor. As I recall, M.L. directly called the pope the antichrist many times because of this conclusion.

Was he good in the sack?

Well done, Slayer. I shall give thee rep.

I guess my best answer (I'm not really an expert in the subject yet) would be Jesus telling Peter he is the rock which he will build on.

ML was right on some things. He was dead on about indulgences and was really brave for speaking out against them. However, he has a bad side to him as well. A classic, pathetic Jew hater.

Witnesses implies there was more than one.

Ha, my bad.

Jehovah chicks never put out.

Heh...ok. :)

Indeed, although if they find out you've been bangin' without a license, they kick you out of their congregation.

This really isn't much of a tribute thread....

I guess The Poop ain't worthy of a tribute, then. :)

Hmmm when the Catholics killed 10s of thousands of Jews in Spain I guess that didn't count. The Catholic Churchs hands are filthy in the blood of murder.

Don't even get me started.

Dave

Oh, I wouldn't say that. I'm sure the Pope would appreciate my efforts, and even if the thread replies aren't so positive, the idea is behind it is what matters most.

Well, he was pissed off about so many things that he wanted more than one scapegoat....

Nice Stalin quote! ROFL

Dave

I'm pretty sure The Pope doesn't give a crap about you....sorry to burst your bubble.

Don't get yourself started. I can't and won't defend those actions, or other actions the church has wrongfully made. Helping Nazi's escape Germany comes to mind...

I'm pretty sure he does, actually.

ROFL

Although it's funny when people are told the truth, keep in mind that it is much better for someone to live with lies than to know that what they believe in is a lie.

Hell, can the pope even LITERALLY give a crap?

John Paul II is a great man.

I enjoy looking through his book, "Crossing the Threshold of Hope", which I just now discovered is available online. Here's the link to the preface that describes the surprising way that book came to be. You can navigate to the rest of the book by clicking on the "Table of Contents" hyperlink in the upper left of this page:

http://www.catholic.net/RCC/POPE/HopeBook/how.html

I know. Couldn't you have at least spelled his last name correctly?

You mean like the mask of being a pseudo intellectual?

Aw, someone already made you take that mask off? Too bad.

Hoo hoo! ROFL

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Slayer Diablo again.

Yeah.

If that were true Hitler, Stalen, and I would all be in positions of power...

Thanks for the correction. I edited the original post to correct my typo.

There's no need for that...it was seen charging towards the Planet by everyone else from five miles away. Quite frankly, I believe he deserves the rep for opening the door against himself on that one...that is to say, if anyone deserves rep at all.

Actually, we hadn't found out the truth about Germany until after we invaded; Stalin died during the Korean War of what were apparently natural causes; and I don't know what kept you from gaining power other than choice and a somewhat-violent temper, but I'm sure it wasn't too bad.

Some are interested in making observations...

Some are looking for middle school lunch table popularity.

To each their own. :thumb:

You two should just jump in the sack and get it over with already :rolleyes: :shake:

That's why your rep is turned off, right?

Not sure why I did it. Seemed weird...everyone has a million green boxes except for Warpaint. :)

I can still get and give rep...

But IMO rep has run its course on this board and I wouldn't have a problem with it being thrown out.

I don't think Jenson knew what he was getting into with this thread. I would encourage anyone to hit the library that wants to know more about something or someone...

I was and still am really interested in the life of Richard Feynman

Seeing as how I've always hated even thinking about gaining support among the vast majority of my peers--or anyone for that matter--I assume that you are referring to me as one of the first group. That apparently being the case...yes, to each their own. :toast:

Yes, the current Pope is indeed a person who could be called a saint. However, Catholisim is just plain wrong. Has been throughtout the history. I suggest you take European History AP and learn what kind of stuff they've been doing. Catholic Church was created in order to make money.

It's interesting to me to see the scorn some people have for Catholics. They don't seem to realize that all Christian religions came from Catholicism in the first place. It's as puzzling to me as Sunni muslims killing Shiites..

Judge not lest ye be judged.

Don't all Churches do that in one form or another?

So massive corruption in the society and mass killing is OK as long as it's supported by the religious leaders? That is exactly what happened with Catholisism in the later middle ages.

I don't have much scorn for Catholicism itself...but I do in away because I distrust and dislike organized religion in itself. And it doesn't get much more organized than that.

I believe the word has been hijacked and chewed up and spit out so many times for so many things its not even funny.

But this isn't a debate I am interested in tonight so I will stop there. :)

That's why organized religion is bullshit. I believe in God but not in Church.

Yep.

My main gripe is that so many people see church as the end all "everything" of a religion.

I think church is one tool of many in someone's spiritual journey which is the most personal thing someone can have.

You've made my point exactly. The leaders then were corrupt...just as many Churches are corrupt or immoral today, whether they be Catholic or Protestant.

I can agree with that to some extent. I think there are a lot Churches that do a lot of good too. We sure don't hear about them much though. I do agree with some of Zach's views on this subject seeing how I don't really go to Church much, but I have strong belief in God.

Yeah, but Catholic Church is the grand daddy of them all. The only religion I can respect is Hindu, only recently is it turning into a hate tool.

And, yeah, Zach I completely agree with you.

Or the Nazis...

Kind of a funny story...

My freshman year in the dorms during one of the longer breaks they installed some kind of switch in everyone's room but they tossed around the place to do it.

When I got back I went into my room and my roomate was sleeping and his side looked clean but my side was a freaking mess. There was crap everywhere. I didn't leave it like that. On top of a heap of my stuff was a small brochure that had something to do with the local student group Cathlic ministry type thing. The kid that lived next door to me and was a friend walked in (he was Catholic) I looked at him and screamed "Dan! Catholics trashed my room over break!!" He looked at me and laughed and explained he accidently left the brochure in my room a few hours ago while talking to my roomate.

ROFL

So who really trashed it? JW's?

Damn SMS matienence guys.

Yeah, damn those Jehova's Witnesses.

I am in AP European History.

i just want to know what is hidden in the Vaults of the Vatican...

Close Mizz, but ya spelled moron with an extra "M" :thumb:

Ya know what goat boy…I was almost ready to concede to the fact you had grown up.
But no!
You start slamming the pope with snide remarks.
When YOU can speak 9 languages, and fluently read and write 12,

THEN you can try some trash talking. At least the man has an IQ higher than a Jar Jar Binks action figure, too bad you can’t say the same.


Dave:
…”Hmmm when the Catholics killed 10s of thousands of Jews in Spain I guess that didn't count. The Catholic Churchs hands are filthy in the blood of murder.”

And so are EVERY OTHER Religious organization which condoned sending troops to fight in wars through out the ages.

“Thow shalt not kill” Exodus 20:13

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t your fine president a church going man who as a religious person should know the 10 commandments, yet freely condon’s ANY ACTION including the killing of people to “Keep America safe” ?



No person in the history of mankind, who headed a large political or religious organization has NOT failed to blast that one all to hell.


Yeah the Catholics have their problems, but show me just ONE organization on earth run by Government, Religion, or common man that doesn’t.

Not trying to stir things up, but I think there is "ONE" worldwide religion that can stake claim and deserves a little historical credit. The JW's claim they are politically neutral and it is against their bible based religion to kill their fellow man. I remember there was a guy at a body shop who painted a car for me a few years ago, that was a JW. He told me of his and his fellow believers imprisonment during the Vietnam War because of his religious beliefs. I totally gained respect for him and his religion after actually talking to him and hearing about his story and also the Nazi WW2 stories. Below are some Google links.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Hist...itnesesses.asp
"They will not serve in the military....."

http://www.baycrest.org/Spring%202001/article12.htm
"Out of obedience to God and love of neighbor, Witnesses
would not join the Nazi Party......serve in the military, or
perform war-related work."

http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/more_facts.html
"On September 15, 1939, the first conscientious objector, August Dickman, a Jehovah's Witness, who had refused military service, was publicly shot."

Yeah, that's actually very true. I was going to say something about it but I'd rather not defend JWs.

They try to paint their organization as a bunch of saints but it's not true at all. There have been plenty of problems, especially in recent years. Child molestation, stealing congregation money, etc.

But they don't kill anyone! ROFL

Good for you man, it's a good class.

It is. We get to go to Europe in March. I've mentioned that here a good 30 or 40 times.

Hah, that's awesome. We never did. We just studied our asses off. It was the 2nd hardest class in school, right after Chem 2 AP.

Ouch.