KC Man spits on Jane Fonda
 

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TIM CURRAN, Associated Press Writer

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A man spit tobacco juice into the face of actress Jane Fonda after waiting in line to have her sign her new book, police said.

The man ran off but was quickly caught by police Tuesday night and charged with disorderly conduct.


Fonda has been on tour and doing interviews to promote her just-published memoir, "My Life So Far." The thrice-married, two-time Academy Award winner covers a wide array of topics, including her 1972 visit to Hanoi to protest the Vietnam War, during which she was photographed on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun. She has apologized for that photo, but not for opposing the war.


Capt. Rich Lockhart of the Kansas City Police Department said that although Fonda did not want to press charges against Michael A. Smith, 54, of Kansas City, he was arrested on a municipal charge of disorderly conduct after off-duty officers caught him just outside Unity Temple, where Fonda was signing books.


Lockhart said Smith was released on bond late Tuesday night and is due to appear in municipal court on May 27.


Smith, a Vietnam veteran, told The Kansas City Star on Wednesday that Fonda was a "traitor" and that her protests against the war were unforgivable. He said he normally does not chew tobacco but did so Tuesday solely to spit juice on the actress.


"I consider it a debt of honor," he told The Star for a story on its Web site, www.kansascity.com. "She spit in our faces for 37 years. It was absolutely worth it. There are a lot of veterans who would love to do what I did."

I applaud him, but wish he hadn't used tobacco. That's not exactly presenting a progressive spitting image.

Great, another story to make our area look stupid to the rest of the world. Right along with "gay marriage bans," not teaching evolution, and serial killers.

I don't care how much you hate her, have some class...

That war was totaly wrong but I don't agree with what she did to protest it. I know a guy that was in a VC prison camp at the time. He said it was much worse for them after she did that.

I obviously don't remember that (I was born in '76), but it does sound kinda messed up. Either way, spitting in someone's face is just classless.

What a waste of perfectly good tobacco juice.

You can buy her apology for $29.95 at your local bookstore.

She's a worthless sack of shit. She apologies while she's pitching her piece of shit book. What a treasonous twat.

Okay, but would you spit on her?

You kidding me? KC stock is on the rise.

Exactly. What in the f*** were we thinking, allowing Hanoi Jane anywhere near our city?

I'd like to buy the man a beer and shake his hand.

I guess it’s a good thing I didn’t go there and crap on her table then, huh?

Probably not, but she shouldn't jay-walk in my neighborhood either.

The Supreme court has recognized that there are words and actions so offensive that justify a violent reaction. So this guy was just saving it up until he had the opportunity. Can't blame him either.

I agree that spitting in someone's face is too Bill Romo but I am glad he was able to finaly get some closure after all of these years. He did risk his life when asked to.

What else would you do with it?

I've got a lot of friends in other more sane parts of the world, and I'm tired of getting teased about this shit by them. Half the time they don't have the story right (like, the "gay marriage ban" thing -- that wasn't a gay marriage ban at all), but either way, I'd like to see this area stay out of the news for a while.

When did the war happen.... umm Oh yea more then 30 years ago. God I hate how people who can't let go of history. I suppose this guy had a klu klux klan hood on and a bible in his hand shouting George Bush is god. There is a thing called maturity and doing the right thing. I bet if the roles had been reversed not only would he not want to be spit with chew liquid that's just ****ing nasty but also Jane Fonda would'nt show such disrespect. I'm suprised he is outside a book signing personally. And also my dad is a Vietnam Vet and I know for a fact that he would never spit into anybody's face.

She visited a country in which the U.S. was at war, gave them her own personal USO tour, and then posed sitting at an anti-aircraft gun pretending that she was aiming it at American planes. She did this while American prisoners were being held in the same city. I think that outweighs the spitting.

Can't argue with that part.

You can do that if you want, just please don't spit on someone yourself, especially if it's going to get you in the national news.

She's lucky if that's the worst she gets.

New nickname, Kodiak Jane.

She apologized for that a long while ago actually. She was a complete nutjob though, from video I've seen at the time she seemed to be almost gleeful about US soldiers getting killed in 'nam. Still, spitting tobacco juice in her face? That's just pure redneck idiocy.

Good.

Dude was put in harm's way by this f**king broad who, to this day, continues to profit from some of the noteriety generated by those acts. He can do whatever the hell he wants to her as far as I'm concerned. Anything short of being shot at the traitor she is is too good for her.

At least that would have made me laugh.

I don't know a lot about the law, but I would guess those words or actions have to be directed at you before you are legally allowed to respond.

And, apparently the police that arrested him agree with me.

Me too.

She went beyond protesting to working on behalf of an enemy of the US. I wonder if she is selling her book in North Vietnam? They must not have bought so she's shilling the thing here.

I wouldn't spit on her, but then again, I didn't serve in the Vietnam War. If I had, I might consider it... :hmmm:

That's a good point. Any vetran deserves respect for what they did for our country. Still, I don't think you should be spitting in someone's face.

This man has already EARNED his right to free expression which is a damn sight more than I can say for that silver spooned opportunistic twat.

I guess if you want to be intentionally obtuse, and ignore whether or not she did any harm to servicemen in those days, then you could say he had no right to respond.

Sounds like a business transaction to me. He paid a hundred bucks or whatever a disorderly conduct citation costs, and got to spit on Jane Fonda.

Hell, for that price, people would line up around the block for their turn.

That definitely sounds ****ed up, and I wouldn't blame anyone for disliking her for it. I just think spitting in people's faces, even those you dislike, is pretty classless. That's all.

This thing goes to trial the prosecution better make god damned sure there isn't a single vietnam vet on that jury or this fella walks. And can you imagine the public outcry against her should she choose to see this taken to trial? Book sales would tank and she would have to pretend to fly a plane into the World Trade Center to get enough notoriety to write another book to apologize for her bullshit actions.

Precisely.

We all have a right to free expression, but we all would also get arrested if we spit on someone's face in public and got caught. He did what he wanted, and he'll pay the consequences. I'm sure he's okay with that -- he's surely weighed the pros and cons of doing this as he's stewed over it for 30 years.

In 99.999 percent of cases, I would agree. In this case, I think it's the best that can be done since they can't torture her in a Hanoi prison.

This place never ceases to amaze me. You can find someone on the planet who will go to bat for anyone or anything.

Like I said, I don't know much about what she did. I wasn't even born. I admit to being out of my element. I still think that anyone who holds a grudge for 30 years has some issues.

I agree with you on the business transaction thing, though. I'm sure he's prefectly willing to pay his fine.

"I consider it a debt of honor," he told The Star for a story on its Web site, www.kansascity.com. "She spit in our faces for 37 years. It was absolutely worth it. There are a lot of veterans who would love to do what I did."

He Earned his right, she was given hers by virtue of men like him.....she's a twat.

I assume you're talking about me, but I'm unsure who I'm going to bat for. It's not the guy who spit (I said that was f'd up), and it's not Jane Fonda (I said what she did was f'd up), so I'm confused. Care to enlighten me?

That slut deserves whatever she gets.

I don't believe the 1st amendment is generally understood as including spitting on people. If so, I definitely missed that day in law school...

There are a lot of people that deserve to be spit on (and worse), but that doesn't usually make it right for you to spit on them.

I didn't go to law school, but I don't imagine there was a day in which you learned that the 1st amendment rights were "earned," either -- was there?

I have the utmost respect for any veteran -- but what they didn't for our country, no matter have amazing and brave, doesn't give them the right to do whatever they want.

I'd forgive the guy if he had shot her.

I'm no fan of Jane Fonda, neither her acting nor her politics in the 60's. Although speaking out against the Vietnam War was hardly the act of treason many paint it to be, she went above and beyond the threshold of merely exercising free speech rights, and instead became a very active propaganda tool for the enemy that was shooting at our soldiers.

Nevertheless, there's a very limited number of circumstances where I would consider one person spitting in another person's face as anything but classless, disgusting and uncalled for. Getting back at someone for whatever they did 35 years ago isn't likely to qualify unless they ran over your brother or child or something...

Right or wrong... The bitch got what she deserved... You can whine all about if not being fair... But she deserved what she got...

Karma is such a sweet thing...

Sure, but that's not the point. The question is: would you have shot her yourself (or spit on her)?

It's easy to say, "good job, man" to someone else who does something f'd up in the name of a good cause, but most of us have the decency not to do it ourselves.

OTOH, as usual this kind fo stuff may be self-defeating. If this gets widespread publicity, then book sales may go up, and he'll pay $100 or whatever and she'll make thousands more.

Karma acts in strange ways. Tempt it not.

First of all, I think it does sound like she got what she deserved. Second, I haven't said a word about it not being fair.

Just because it was what she deserved doesn't negate the fact that the guy who gave it to her comes off as a classless loser.

It's what libbies call "Performance Art"

Shit I would have thrown a party and donated some money to his defense.

"I may not like what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. Unless I *really* don't like what you say, in which case I'll spit on you."

Let's pause and remember how cool of a guy Henry Fonda was. Oh, he was so good in Once Upon a Time in the West. All his westerns, really. And 12 Angry Men, definitely. It's too bad his daughter grew up to be like that. I think he blamed himself.

No, the right to free speech is granted to citizens of this country. However, men and women who fight on behalf of our rights do so to ensure that the rest of us don't have to EARN the right ourselves. This ungrateful twat went beyond protest to advocacy of the enemy. She did PR spots for the North Vietnamese condemning our soldiers for war crimes that were not committed. She felt the ends justified the means and be damned all those who were in captivity and made to listen to her bullshit. So f!ck her right in her treasonous ass, is her book selling in North Vietnam?

Haha. :D

The guy only did what millions would like to have done. Big props to him.

Okay, but you're still missing my point. You keep trying to convince me that she was an evildoer. I believe it. I wasn't there to see it, but I'm convinced now. There is no need to further pontificate on the sins she committed 35 years ago. I'm a believer.

But I still think it was classless to spit on her.

But most of those millions wouldn't go through with it, because while it might be a very enticing fantasy, it's a classless thing to do.

Well the flaming bag of dog shit on the front steps is always a classic... :thumb:

Yeah, that I could've gotten down with. Or even ****ing her right in her treasonous ass sounds pretty good to me. :D

Volume 8 of Jane Fonda's workout: ****ing her right in her treasonous ass.

:thumb: :clap: ROFL

She not only protested the war, she went to Vietnam and blew three regiments of Viet Cong to get their spirits up. She posed for pictures on anti-aircraft guns, smiling and grab assing with the VC.

If you were getting shot at or had friends or family that had been killed in Viet Nam, wouldn't you hold a grudge if some dumb Hollywood twat posed for pictures smiling and laughing with the same men that murdered Americans, while sitting on a gun that was used to murder Americans?

People die in wars, and people have a right to protest wars, but what she did was above and beyond disloyal and unpatriotic. She went from Barbarella to Hanoi Jane, and ended her opportunity of being one of the biggest actresses of that time.

Speaking of no brains and big mouths ruining your career, I haven't heard much from the Dixie Chicks lately.

i wasn't alive when she did what she did ... so i reserve judgement on fonda and the spitting guy.

you can't believe her side of the story because she's prolly just covering her butt.


and i see first hand, how rightwingers twist and turn stuff. They do the same thing right now. Anyone who disagrees with the war is a traitorous, soldier hating piece.... you don't like bush then you hate the troops ... you don't like the administration, your a commie.

so you can't believe what the repugants say either...


:shrug:

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Originally Posted by Taco John
"I may not like what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. Unless I *really* don't like what you say, in which case I'll spit on you."



Nice neighborhood you're in there Taco. Forgive me if I don't come to visit
:)

After reading two years of your posts, I'd say you missed quite a bit of school. :p

Now look what you made me do, spit on my screen.

I doubt I'd hold a grude for 35 years, but I certainly would have been pissed. Still, I wouldn't have spit inher face.

Don't get me started on that one. Natalie Maines was completly idiotic to say what she said, from a PR standpoint. For being so dumb, she deserves the drop in populatlirty the Chicks have received. Still, why ANYONE would choose what music they buy based on the political views of the artist is beyond me. If I'm buying music, I'm buying it based on one thing: how good the music is. I couldn't care less about an artist's political beliefs. A musician is only good to me for one thing: music.

Similarly, wheter you agree with Tim Robbins' political beliefs or not, I should think that your opinion on him would be based on his ability to act, since that is what he is. He's an actor, and I couldn't really give a damn what he thinks about politics. I'll look to politicans for political takes. An actor is only good to me for one thing: acting.

For the record, I completly stand by your right to boycott the Chicks or Tim Robbins -- I just think it's kinda of silly, and I wouldn't do it myself. But if you want to, more power to ya.

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As seen at many local VFW's.

Well, that depends on what you mean by "sucks." Those girls are actually all pretty talented musicians, especially by the standards of today's pop music.

But, I'm not a country/bluegrass fan in general, so I'm not a huge fan. But I wouldn't say they "suck," either.

Good news for Natalie Maine with that whole "Obesity not as deadly as previously thought" thing. So she has that going for her....

No doubt, but that little move stuck a fork in them.

Really, I think that remains to be seen. It'll be interesting to see how their new album does when it comes out. I would guess most of the country stations that "banned" them will jump back on the bandwagon pretty fast if people want to hear the record...

Certainly, they took a popularity hit for a while. But they also haven't had a new album since that happened, I don't think. People in the USA are fickle -- my guess is most of them have forgotten about it by now and the Chicks still seel a ton of records. But time will tell...

Um, I actually like the Dixie Chicks. I can set aside political stuff for music.

Country music makes up about 2% of the songs on my iPod. The Dixie Chicks account for around 80% of that 2%.

In other words, I'm not a big country fan, but if I'm going to listen to country, the Chicks will be near the top of my list.

This just might come back to haunt you.

Stop pretending you don't wallow in the mud of the pig pen like most of us here..

Don't bet the farm on that.