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eazyb81 04-22-2005 05:02 PM

For those wanting a WR in the 1st round.....WHY?
 
Over the last 3 years, our offense has finished 1st, 1st, and 2nd in the league in scoring. During that timespan we have never had great or even above average wide receivers, yet we still have no trouble scoring. Over that same timespan, our defense has been one of the very worst in the league. Based on that, why do some people on here say we need a WR? What indications are there that our offense needs a WR this year? No matter what happens, our #1 one will be Priest/LJ and #2 will be Gonzo....I honestly believe a WR drafted in the 1st round would not be happy being in our offense. On the flipside, we have made some great defensive additions this offseason, but we still aren't going to be confused with the 85 Bears. So, what's the deal? For those lobbying for a WR, explain your position, because I don't get it.

nychief 04-22-2005 05:05 PM

Why?

hummmmmmmm....

Well,
J. Morton (drops!)
Kennison (decent 2nd option, but lets get serious!)
Parker (9 catches)
Bo (bad knee - hasn't played in a year)
Hall (no no no no - just let him return the ball already)
Horn (cough)

Kclee 04-22-2005 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nychief
Why?

hummmmmmmm....

Well,
J. Morton (drops!)
Kennison (decent 2nd option, but lets get serious!)
Parker (9 catches)
Bo (bad knee - hasn't played in a year)
Hall (no no no no - just let him return the ball already)
Horn (cough)


All that mentioned above, and you can see what happens to one side of a team when you neglect it for too long.

Eleazar 04-22-2005 05:08 PM

Because the only LB worthy of a 1st won't fall to us in all likelihood.

eazyb81 04-22-2005 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nychief
Why?

hummmmmmmm....

Well,
J. Morton (drops!)
Kennison (decent 2nd option, but lets get serious!)
Parker (9 catches)
Bo (bad knee - hasn't played in a year)
Hall (no no no no - just let him return the ball already)
Horn (cough)

and yet we still finish 2nd in the league in scoring.....

eazyb81 04-22-2005 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise
Because the only LB worthy of a 1st won't fall to us in all likelihood.

So we draft a CB, or DE, or DT, or Thomas Davis.....

A WR is not a priority on a team that finished 1st on offense and last on defense.

Eleazar 04-22-2005 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81
So we draft a CB, or DE, or DT, or Thomas Davis.....

A WR is not a priority on a team that finished 1st on offense and last on defense.

On the other side of the coin, how many of the losses came at a touchdown or less? 6? How many of them would a couple of 3rd down conversions by a receiver have changed?

Frankie 04-22-2005 05:13 PM

I agree with this thread. I would like to see Parker given a chance to (hopefully) shine. Plus we are getting Kris Wilson back who will help our receiving game, not to mention Bo. Who knows who will be available after June 1. Some believe Isaac Bruce will be. Now that would be a great fit for us. I really think addressing the long term WR question should be next year's task.

KevB 04-22-2005 05:13 PM

The argument is simply that you can't rest on your laurels, and must continue to try to improve if you want to remain as successful as the Chiefs have been on offense. Our WRs are a year older, the OLine is a year older, Green may not be afforded the time he's had in the past to find open WRs who take longer getting to their spot, etc.

Having said that, I'm not suggesting we should take a WR. But I do understand that line of thought after adding Surtain, Bell, Knight and Hall. I'd still prefer we take the best defender on the board.

htismaqe 04-22-2005 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81
So we draft a CB, or DE, or DT, or Thomas Davis.....

A WR is not a priority on a team that finished 1st on offense and last on defense.

:bravo:

eazyb81 04-22-2005 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie
I agree with this thread. I would like to see Parker given a chance to (hopefully) shine. Plus we are getting Kris Wilson back who will help our receiving game, not to mention Bo. Who knows who will be available after June 1. Some believe Isaac Bruce will be. Now that would be a great fit for us. I really think addressing the long term WR question should be next year's task.

I agree. Vermeil and Saunders have gone on record saying our offense is hard for a rookie to learn, so why waste a high pick on one. Isaac Bruce would be a PERFECT fit with our team, IMO. I would love it if we picked him up after June 1.

Kclee 04-22-2005 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81
So we draft a CB, or DE, or DT, or Thomas Davis.....

A WR is not a priority on a team that finished 1st on offense and last on defense.

Because within the next 2 years we will probably have to draft 2 WR's, 2 OL, a QBOTF, and maybe a RB, depending if LJ wants to stay in K.C. We can't let all of that catch up to us at once like we did with the D. Oh yeah, and a Full Back.

Bob Dole 04-22-2005 05:16 PM

Why?

Because that's the only shot we'll have at Matt Jones (EP, Arkansas), and everybody wants Matt Jones!

redsurfer11 04-22-2005 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81
Over the last 3 years, our offense has finished 1st, 1st, and 2nd in the league in scoring. During that timespan we have never had great or even above average wide receivers, yet we still have no trouble scoring. Over that same timespan, our defense has been one of the very worst in the league. Based on that, why do some people on here say we need a WR? What indications are there that our offense needs a WR this year? No matter what happens, our #1 one will be Priest/LJ and #2 will be Gonzo....I honestly believe a WR drafted in the 1st round would not be happy being in our offense. On the flipside, we have made some great defensive additions this offseason, but we still aren't going to be confused with the 85 Bears. So, what's the deal? For those lobbying for a WR, explain your position, because I don't get it.

I think the pick should go defense, if Derrick Johnson or Carlos Rodgers are still on the board. But if Mike Williams or Troy Williamson pop up at 15, and the prime defensive players are gone. Williams is a true possession reciever who would make the Chiefs unstoppable in goal line situations. Williamson has so much speed, defensive safties could never cheat against the run. Both players change defensive gameplans.

eazyb81 04-22-2005 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kclee
Because within the next 2 years we will probably have to draft 2 WR's, 2 OL, a QBOTF, and maybe a RB, depending if LJ wants to stay in K.C. We can't let all of that catch up to us at once like we did with the D. Oh yeah, and a Full Back.

The consensus on here is that this year is our last realistic shot at a Super Bowl for at least a few years. So why should we be worried about depth on offense right now? I want to win a Super Bowl, not worry about being competetive two or three years from now.

htismaqe 04-22-2005 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kclee
Because within the next 2 years we will probably have to draft 2 WR's, 2 OL, a QBOTF, and maybe a RB, depending if LJ wants to stay in K.C. We can't let all of that catch up to us at once like we did with the D. Oh yeah, and a Full Back.

We have 1 year left with this coach. And face it, our offense is old at SEVERAL positions, drafting Mike Williams wouldn't make a dent.

We need to load up for a run THIS YEAR.

CanadaKC 04-22-2005 05:21 PM

this point is moot...as all three of the aforementioned worthy WR's will be gone by 15 anyways...which is good for us because Williamson climbing up the charts recently now leaves one of the top 3 CB's available.

Cannibal 04-22-2005 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nychief
Why?

hummmmmmmm....Hall (no no no no - just let him return the ball already)

I completely disagree with this.

The year before last, when mixed in intelligently, he excelled.

Some of those screen passes were just insane. He is too slippery and explosive to have returning kicks only. You've gotta mix him in on at least 10 offensive snaps per game with 5 or 6 of those with him just being in there as a decoy and 4 or 5 times getting him the ball. I realize he is not a true reciever, but he is a threat to go to the house anytime he touches the ball. Saunders just needs to try and not make it so obvious when he uses him.

eazyb81 04-22-2005 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rufusmaqe
We have 1 year left with this coach. And face it, our offense is old at SEVERAL positions, drafting Mike Williams wouldn't make a dent.

We need to load up for a run THIS YEAR.

BINGO

NaptownChief 04-22-2005 05:32 PM

Well I am all for defense and trying to win it this year but the reason why WR is badly needed is simple...As soon as this O Line falls apart, which is soon with a Shields and Roaf retirement nearing, we won't run the ball any where near the way we do now and when that happens our passing game won't be opened wide up to where we can get by with 2nd and 3rd rate type of players like Morton and Kennison. At that point we will need legitimate play makers out there to keep from looking like Baltimore's passing game.

Kclee 04-22-2005 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rufusmaqe
We have 1 year left with this coach. And face it, our offense is old at SEVERAL positions, drafting Mike Williams wouldn't make a dent.

We need to load up for a run THIS YEAR.


I do agree with you and easy81 about the one year window, but what rookie will enable us to win a SB? If DJ is there, I would want him, but no other LB is worth the 15th pick. A CB will probably be a nickle for most of the year. And a DE would fight it out with Allen/Hicks. DV just doesn't seem to have a track record for putting in rookies from the get go. Now don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind a D player at all, but I would think that a lesson was learned about not paying attention to one side of the ball. I guess it would just be nice if we could trade down, pick up a LB at the bottom of the first and then a WR/OL with the 2nd(hopefully) that we would get in return.


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