Jared Allen, Long Snapping
 

I hope Allen does really well long snapping tonight.

With all due respect to Gammons and the great snapping he's given us, it's a total waste of a roster spot. We need a long snapper that also serves another purpose for the team.

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Did you see that last snap? It was a friggin' rocket!

I understand the wasted roster spot, but Gammon's injury chances are slim to none, since he only play on special teams, while Allen plays DE, and his injury chances are usually higher, since he's on the trenches, you know?

Allen is our starting end - don't have him playing freaking ST.

Who is Gammons? Peter?

Gammon is not a waisted roster spot. He is the best long snapper ever and using Allen there would be a costly mistake. What if he got hurt doing that? I hope Gammon isnt hurt.

31 other teams in the NFL get by without a roster spot dedicated to a long snapper.

I just think it would be nice to be able to carry an extra WR. DB, or whatever spot we're dinged up at.

I'd feel different if Gammon_ actually provided depth at another position or something.

Gammon is huge for special teams. If Allen is injured, we have no long snapper if Gammon were not on the roster.

It says something about his skills when Bill Cowher, coach of the AFC Pro Bowl team has any player in the AFC to choose as a specialty position player, and he selects Kendall Gammon.

I said we should have cut Gammon in the preseason to save a spot and folks jumped all over me.

Tell that to the Giants.

All I know is 31 other NFL teams take the risk every year.

I'm not sure about every team... I know the Colts carry a long snapper, Justin Snow is his name I do believe. I would guess there are others.

Maybe it was me but I thought one of his XP snaps was a bit high. Maybe it was just because it was a rocket.

Yeah, the radio crew mentioned it.

Yeah. That.

Not really. Off the top of my head I know the Colts long snapper doesn't do shit outside of his LS duties either. And it would be different if Allen was a 3rd stringer rotational player. He's our freaking starting end though and our only consistent pass rush. Its not worth putting him out there if we don't have to.

Yeah what he said.

Holthus is on the post-game right now. Says Surtain will be ok, but "I'm really concerned about Gammon's future in the NFL right now."


Don't know how much he'd know about it... :shrug:

Looked like he blew his knee out when he got juked like a rook, it just gave out and he fell to the ground. He was hitting the ground with his hand while down, and couldn't put much pressure on his foot, if any.

Of course, he did come back in and snap on a punt. If he blew his knee out, he is a warrior for going back into the game.

Yeah, did you see the way he got off the field right after? Jumping on one foot, lol.

Yeah, its probably going to be a sad ending for him. Hes such a nice guy too. It sucks :(

Allen, I thought, did a good job tonight.

I agree 100%.

I wonder if Scanlon could long snap. Putting a DL in training that plays on ST KO and KOR seems like a good approach to me.

He actually hurt it immediately after he snapped the ball. He fell down three times running to try to make the tackle. When he "got juked like a rook", he was just falling down again from the original injury which happened right when he snapped the ball. I didn't see exactly what happened. It looked like he got hit by a someone trying to rush the punter. They showed a replay of all of that on the broadcast last night.

Looked like a similar injury to mine yesterday - strained MCL.

the bad thing about allen long snapping is somebody taking a cheap shot at him. he is the only one on the front 4 that can get to a Qb.

I'm not sure why everyone thinks long snapping is some great injury risk.

Gammon has played 14 years with 218 consecutive starts... doesn't seem like a real injury prone position to me.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing. If nothing else, he's a tough bastard. :thumb:

Yeah but did you go back in the game? :hmmm:

Yeah, and it cost the Giants the playoffs.

For a long snap I could have, certainly. But any cutting whatsoever would have put me on the ground in pain again. It's kinda hard to play any football postion beyond deep snapping and kicking with any kind of knee injury.

I know. I was just playin' with ya. My cousin has had a bad knee since he was an adolescent. I know all about what he's gone through. He played hoops on blacktop and he could barely walk the next day.

The Texans had that one snap hit the holder in the head.

I agree, as good as Gammon is, it would be nice not to have to dedicate a roster spot. Once again, I am glad I do not have to make that decision. He has made it look so easy, but I do remember the pre-Gammon era though.

Agreed, he has proven that he is not exactly made of glass.

So, no back up long snapper? What happens if he gets hurt?

Did you bother to check the depth charts on nfl.com?

You'd be suprised.

per nfl.com:
Kansas City: 2 long snappers listed, Gammon not listed elsewhere on depth chart, Allen starting DE.

Baltimore: 2 long snappers (Maese, Katula) -- long snappers only.
Buffalo: 2 long snappers (Schneck, Preston) -- Preston listed as backup guard.
Cincinnati: 1 long snapper (St. Louis) -- long snapper only.
Cleveland: 1 long snapper (Pontbriand) -- long snapper only.
Denver: 2 long snappers (Leach, Lepsis) -- Leach #4 TE, Lepsis starting Guard.
Houston: 1 long snapper (Pittman) -- long snapper only.
Indy: 1 long snapper (Snow) -- long snapper only.
Jax: 1 long snapper (Zelenka) -- long snapper only.
Miami: 2 long snappers (Denney, Zgonina) -- Denney long snapper only, Zgonina backup DT.
New England: 1 long snapper (Paxton) -- long snapper only.
NY Jets: 2 long snappers (Dearth, Dreessen) -- Dearth #3 TE, Dreessen #2 TE.
Oakland: 2 long snappers (Treu, Grove) -- True starting Center, Grove backup Center.
Pittsburgh: 1 long snapper (Warren) -- long snapper only.
San Diego: 2 long snappers (Binn, Foley) -- Binn long snapper only, Foley starting OLB.
Tennessee: 1 long snapper (Amato) -- listed as #3 OLB

That's just the AFC. KC is unique in that it's just one of few that have a starter at another position as their backup long snapper. Oakland's long snapper is also their starting center.

Actually, I did check the depth charts a little bit, and I was suprised. The few teams I checked did have dedicated LS.

Maybe I'm wrong on this. I just think there have been a lot of times where that extra roster spot might have been beneficial.

It's great to have the "best long snapper in the league", but for whatever reason, both Pittsburgh and New Orleans learned to live without Gammon. It would be nice if we could too, and replace him with a player that actually adds something else to the depth chart.

While we're at it, let's get rid of T. Rich too. All he does is lay people on their backside. He hardly ever carries the damn ball.

Great comparison. :rolleyes:

Stop embarrassing your parents.

Most if not all teams have a dedicated long snapper, KC's not losing anything having a specialist in that role.

Both NO and Pittsburgh have dedicated long snappers. Gammon just happens to be KC's.

Yea, bite me!
:D

Gammon is the best in the league at what he does, works for the league minimum, and doesn't bitch about it. Where else.... in any other sport... does that happen.

Apparently times have changed, it wasn't always like that. I guess I'm wrong in thinking other teams are getting depth out of their LS.

It's not that I don't like Gammon and what he's done for us. I just think if we had a LS that also provided depth, we could have maybe kept a guy like Lilja or Gado on our roster ( just examples, not saying they would have made it),v or it would allow us to activate a guy like Thorpe so we could get him some reps.

The only other player on the team you could make a comparison to is Gary Stills, since all he does is play special teams. Judging by our coverage units, it looks like we're wasting a roster spot on him too.

Yeah, well given how well they played last night, we might need about 10 more Gary Stills...

That has to be the coaching. Not only are our coverage units horrible, our return units look god awful aswell.

Looks like Frank Ganz Jr has been living purely off Dante Halls ability for the last few years.

Stills has played LB in defensive sets this year. He's played DE in the past.

I guess maybe I should just look at him the same way I see a Kicker or Punter. A specialist that is neccessary.

Can anyone tell me how often a Denfensive ends hands and fingers get jammed, and taped up? I'll bet it is more often than a long snapper. Oh, how much does that affect a DE's rushing ability to the detriment of a team winning a game? I don't think we can say the same if the long snapper snaps a ball that skips to the holder of a potential game winning FG, or a critical field postion punt.

I remember that, the dude blew 2 snaps in a row. :shake:

If Lilja, Gado or Thorpe could have played ST's that's possible, I guess. As critical as the position is in converting XP's and FG's, I think it's worth spending at least one spot on a guy that does it pretty much full time.

Or you could go back and admit that Bob Dole was correct when he said that we'd really miss Derrick Blaylock's contributions on special teams...

That's probably a contributing factor. Looks like there's a few of them that have really hurt our return game. There are no words to describute our coverage units though, but then again those have been bad for years.

I don't think anyone has to tell Bob Dole he was right. He seems to tell himself that often enough for everyone.

Enough of this discussion. It's time for blame. Which of our own players pushed Gammon down to cause the injury? It happened so fast that I could only narrow it down to either Scanlon or Grigsby. (I'm pretty sure their number ended in a 1.)

It's probably just that Bob Dole is so rarely wrong...