Fav old-school hard rock outfit
 

To qualify, band must have been in existence by the late-70's(no 80's hair metal bands)...

Priest and Sabbath should be excluded, as they are metal. Metal not being a sub-genre of rock, this would disqualify them from contention.

(Okay, really early Judas Priest was hard rock.)

Me being a metal fan, I adore Sabbath and Priest, but to answer the question truthfully, I prefer Aerosmith when it comes to late 70's hard rock.

Zep's No. 1 for me.

But I also am a big fan of Deep Purple, and I also like Rainbow. And Bad Company, do they qualify?

Rush of course! I do like the Scorps a lot too. Aerosmith is a sellout, they should not even be on the list.

If you are going to mention sellouts then Kiss has to top that list. They have been selling out since day one. Selling out clubs, arenas, and stadiums. Most of these bands have sold out in one way or another. If Sabbath and Priest are on here then I would like to nominate Iron Maiden too. What about Punk Bands? The Ramones? The Clash?

Yep Kiss had three good records-after that they sucked. Maiden rules!! Up the Irons!

This is pretty easy.

MOTORHEAD

Their first 4 albums, with the original lineup of Phil, Eddie, and Lemmy, are easily the best hard rock group of all time.

I like KISS' early stuff. And Aerosmith's problem was "Done With Mirrors".

They quit drugs and immediately started sucking.

Can you edit the title so hard rock/heavy metal outfit, so that some of these bands can apply? (Preist, Sabbath, Maiden, Motorhead = heavy metal)

Yeah Motorhead is rockin but AC/DC w/ Bon Scott is some of the rockinest shit ever.

Trying to put every genre of rock music in a bubble will just kill it.
oops nevermind its already dead.

AC/DC without Bon Scott = shit.

I have everything they did up until he died. Brian Johnson came in and the whole thing went to hell, I can't even stand to listen to "Back in Black"...

Hard rock strictly from the 70's? Lynyrd Skynyrd.

You should get the stuff AC/DC pressed outside the US w/ Scott.
The High Voltage Aussie pressing is fantastic.

We got together this weekend and worked on some tunes...we added "Walk All Over You" to the playlist...

heads up.

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That's just it, though. Metal is not a subgenre of rock. Structurally and sonically, it's a seperate entity that takes in just as much from Jazz and Blues as it does Rock (and combines its influences with a lot of speed and distortion).

Old school Aerosmith was no sellout,their debut album and Get Your Wings are excellent,in fact,anything up through Draw The Line works for me.

im gonna call it Rock & Roll.

Sub genres kill music- see punkrock & Metal.

I don't get what you mean by this.

I guess it means that if you think about the really ground breaking bands and LPs i doubt if they were trying to put every little "genre" of music under a microscope when they cut that mind blowing LP.

And when bands try to find or play to a niche they really get away from what Rock n Roll is all about.

How in the f$^% am I the only one who voted for Sabbath?

BLACK SABBATH!

Did you like Sabbath w/ Dio or any of the other goofball singers in the 80s?

I would have voted for Sabbath had there not been an "other" option.

But there's just no way I couldn't vote for Motorhead...

I mentioned it earlier..."Done with Mirrors" was the end of Aerosmith...

I can't disagree with this.

Though I still maintain that metal is a seperate genre of music from rock and roll completely. Punk is a devolution of rock and roll, but metal is its own beast with very very distinct subgenres of its own.

I agree that the groundbreaking bands don't say "Hey, we're going to dissect multiple genres and combine them into something new." It's a natural process.

But me saying that, say, Iron Maiden is a metal band and not a hard rock band is like me saying that an apple is a fruit and not a vegetable. Iron Maiden has all of the charactersitics of being a metal band and not a hard rock band.

If they were hard rock, I would have voted for them in this poll. Amazing band.

And yes, I myself happen to like Dio's work with Sabbath. "Heaven and Hell" is a great record. Dio's time with Sabbath will always be underrated.

Oh, and I apologize for sounding like an elitist a**face when it comes to metal. :) There are so many misconceptions about the genre, and I cannot resist myself when the opportunity to spread metal education arises.

What about when DRI did "crossover" or Cro Mags did "best wishes"?

Punk rock isnt the de-evolution of rock and roll its was the evolution.

same as Grunge was the semi-evolution of metal.
and i dont have a problem w/ genres its sub-genres that kill a musical movement.

Nope.... strictly 70s Sabbath w/ Ozzy.

I liked Dio as well, but he was a bit theatrical. I gave him a nickname that always stuck with my friends: satanic midget :D
"You're the last in line! Ahhhhhhhhh, yeah!" lol

Was Motorhead around in the 70s? They're an 80s band for me. Heh, mmmmmmMoterhead rules with an iron fist! :D

My FAVORITE 70s "hard rock" band = Sex Pistols. Nevermind the Bollocks is brilliant. Along with Sabbath, they have to be the most influential bands of all time.

Zepplin is amazing, but they didn't spark new offshoots of R&R (metal & punk)

It's pretty funny, me and my band mates in high school used to laugh about what we called "Ritchie Blackmore inbreeding"...

Ian Gillian has been in and out of Deep Purple since the beginning. He worked with Blackmore for many years. He was also in post-Ozzy Sabbath, replacing Ronnie James Dio in 1983.

Ronnie James Dio was in Rainbow, with Blackmore, and replaced Ozzy in Sabbath.

Graham Bonnett, who replaced Dio in Rainbow went on to play with Yngwie Malmsteen in Alcatrazz, and was replaced when Alcatrazz split up by Joe Lynn Turner, who eventually left Malmsteen's band to take a gig with Deep Purple and Richie Blackmore.

And that's just what I can remember off the top of my head. :D

Heh, my wife dug one of my old DRI concert tees out of a dresser and wore it out shopping a few weeks ago.

DRI ranks as one of the best shows I have ever gone to. The Outhouse (Lawrence, KS) was PACKED. It was, by far, the biggest pit I had ever seen there. (Bad Brains would have taken that distinction if there were enough room for a pit. We were packed in like sardines. There wasn't even enough room to have a smoke.... if you put your arms up, they were staying up!)

Yeah, Motorhead came out in 1976. They did 4 or 5 albums with Lemmy, Phil Taylor, and Fast Eddie Clarke. It's fast, kinda post-punk, the riffs are all pretty much straight rock hooks, just fast. But it's not the grind-it-out metal of their newer stuff. IMO, they abandoned the raw, amphetamine-induced sound for a more methodical, technique-oriented metal that everybody else in the early 80's was doing.

I really don't like their post-1980 stuff, because they basically replaced Eddie with 2 guitarists and went off into strictly metal.

Id like to know some of you guys thoughts.
If you could just name your choice for BEST rock and Roll LP of the 70s-80s-90s & 2000s how many would you classify other than rock n roll and why?

See I can't get into all the genre's and sub-genre's for one very good reason.

I'm too lazy to keep up! :D

I honestly don't think I could answer your question...

"Best" is so hard to universally determine, so I'm just going to go with my favorite: David Bowie's "The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars." And that is classfied as rock and roll.

thats kinda the point and when you start to put every little style of rock and roll in a "roll" you get elitist attitudes that destroy from the inside out.

:clap::clap::clap:

That would be the album I would choose as well, if I was given the question "What is the most influential rock album?"

Most "subgenres" in rock aren't real subgenres, just words magazines like Rolling Stone use. Like Glam Rock, Garage Rock, Indie Rock and Nu-Metal.

However, the subgenre is a necessary thing, imo, when it comes to punk and metal. Think how different Jimmy Eat World and Agnostic Front are. Emo and Hardcore are very different sounds, but they share a common bond in that structurally they are from the same Punk lineage.

Same for metal. Death metal is definately metal, but such a different sound than more traditional metal bands like Priest.

But then you get into things like " hardcore and punk and OI! are three diffrent subgenres". When they are all punk and they are all rock and roll.
You also get into where bands are influenced by words placed on them and start to lean towards what theyre told they should be and produce crap.

SEE-Agnostic Front,Suicidal Tendencies,GNR ect. ect.

Once again, I don't think I can disagree. I'm not knowledgable about punk to debate this. I will maintain the validity of subgenre in metal. Heavy metal, thrash metal, death metal and black metal at least. (Though I acknowledge the existantce of Power, Progressive, Melodic Death, and Doom metals as subgenres as well.)

And metal bands don't need to worry about media influencing them; almost the whole of the genre basically gets no coverage.

I would put metal in the same boat-its all metal and its all rock and roll.
Metal gets alot more press than hardcore punk.
I can only discuss metal up to the early 90s but IMO metalica is a perfect example everything after Justice blows imo and that had alot to do w/ Metalica being influenced from outside sources.(some would say everything after Cliff died sucked)

The point im trying to make is that when you put every band under your thumb it kills what made those bands org. in the first place.
Its human nature to do so but IMO it breeds alot of bullshit and bad music,because it gets away from what rock and roll is all about-

Thumbing your nose at everything.

To bad you live way up north,ive got about 600+ LPs and love to swap tunes.

I sort of share the opinion that everything after AJFA... is bad. I like a few songs off of Black Album, and I even like about half of Load. I support artists experimenting. I really think that Cliff dying damaged them so much. He was the guy behind what they were doing with their slightly progressive thrash metal in RtL and MoP, and certainly influenced AJFA greatly.

I don't really live in Maryville. I'm just here for college. I actually live in Excelsior Springs.

were you at the cinci kc game?

No, but a guy I know from high school named John (blond hair) was at the game.

i ask because a guy and his woman from ES sat behind me,he had some band shirt on and some shit in his face.
just wonderin.

Heh. Nah, wasn't me. Though metal band shirts comprise a majority of my wardrobe.

I like MoP, but some of the stuff on it and RtL I can't stand - the beginning of the over the top, melody-oriented stuff. To me, AJFA was just the end of that progression into some kind of artsy, pop metal.

Personally, my favorite Metallica album was "Kill Em All". I think Cliff dying was a huge issue, but I also think that Mustaine splitting had something to do with it too. The first couple of albums he put out with Megadeth were far better than what Metallica was doing at the time.

The way I see it, the stuff Metallica was doing, especially on AJFA, were about as far from pop as you can get. I mean, "One" was an unlikey hit, especially given its length.

I love early Megadeth, too. (Listening to their first album, "Killing Is My Business... and Business is Good" right now, coincidentally.) "Rust In Peace" is one of my favorite albums ever, and it holds up right neck and neck w/ Metallica's best.

No doubt on all counts.
everything upto Peace Sells was rockin.

http://www.videomusica.it/fnts/video...megadeth06.jpg
AMAZING

It wasn't "pop", probably wasn't the best choice of words on my part.

It was akin to 70's arena rock is more like it. They got "pretty" when the best stuff they were doing was more brutal.

I see where you're coming from. Welcom Home (Sanitarium) and One are far cries from The Four Horsemen and No Remorse.

Black Sabbath (Ozzy...don't eat that bat!)
Rainbow
Pat Travers
Montrose
Budgie
Blue Oyster Cult
Tommy Bolin
Spinal Tap!

Excellent list...

I voted for the Scorpions. Yes, that was me. I'll own it.