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banyon 02-06-2006 07:02 PM

New Bracketology Out:2/20 KU #4 Seed
 
:KU: bracket looks like this:

Greensboro
(1) DUKE (25-1)
(16) ALBANY (16-9) / Amer East

(8) Cincinnati (17-9)
(9) Kentucky (17-9)

San Diego
(5) LSU (17-7)
(12) UAB (18-5)

(4) KANSAS (18-6)
(13) WISC.-MILW. (17-8) / Horizon

Dayton
(6) North Carolina (17-6)
(11) Arkansas (17-8)

(3) Pittsburgh (20-4)
(14) MURRAY ST (19-5) / OVC

Dayton
(7) Washington (20-5)
(10) So. Illinois (18-8)

(2) Ohio State (19-4)
(15) IUPUI (16-7) / Mid-Con
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology
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:KU: moves up one spot to a #4 seed. Wow. I thought we'd have to beat Texas to get that high. Now we have LSU as 2nd round opponent instead of G. Washington. Probably a better team for us to match up with IMHO. But I really like the benefit of moving up one seed in the 1st round. Now we draw Wisc-Milwaukee instead of UAB. That's much better. Usually the worst seed an at large team will get is a 12, so as a 4 we'd be guaranteed a conference champ, which is usually a little easier. Still in San Diego. Texas and Memphis still get the Dallas pod. Still in the Duke bracket. Oh well.

banyon 02-06-2006 07:03 PM

Jack Harry is pissed on "the Spot" b/c :KU: isn't ranked. That's silly. We beat a lower tier ranked team (OK) at home. Yeah Colorado should've dropped out, but LSU still should've been ahead of us.

Dunit35 02-06-2006 07:05 PM

Hopfeully KU pulls it out and makes the tourny.

DJJasonp 02-06-2006 07:10 PM

I dont want any piece of Villanova....they're going to be a tough out come tourney time.

I wouldnt mind taking on Duke. I'd like to see Chalmers on Reddick.....

LiL stumppy 02-06-2006 07:14 PM

those bastereds

FloridaMan88 02-06-2006 07:15 PM

That is a pretty loaded bracket, especially towards the bottom. Teams like Kansas, Kentucky, Wichita St, George Mason, Nevada, Maryland, and Manhattan all dangerous lower seeds in that region

Bearcat 02-06-2006 07:30 PM

I think if they finish strong, they would be deserving of a #5 or #6... between #17-24 overall. As said in another thread, it'll be a great March, because there are no expectations.


I hate ESPN for loving Kentucky so much... they are not one of the top 35 teams in the nation. After KU smacked them around, it was all about "the Kentucky loss"... and even after talking about how they barely beat Iona and Central Florida at home, they would say they had a good chance of getting in. They have the same chance as KU to get better and prove they belong before selection Sunday, but they haven't done it yet. Teams shouldn't get in because they're KU or UK, no matter what the fan base or ESPN says.

htismaqe 02-06-2006 07:34 PM

Frankly, this bracketology sucks.

Iowa is currently 6th in the RPI and all alone in 1st place atop the Big 10 (highest conference RPI among all conferences). They've also played more RPI Top 50's than almost anyone, and have a winning record against them.

I'm not saying they should be a #1 or even #2 seed, but having them as a #4 is ridiculous.

banyon 02-06-2006 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJJasonp
I dont want any piece of Villanova....they're going to be a tough out come tourney time.

I wouldnt mind taking on Duke. I'd like to see Chalmers on Reddick.....

Nova is too guard-oriented without Curtis Sumpter. It's too bad they lost him, or they'd probably be #1 right now. Without him tough, they are prone to an off-shooting night. They'll lose a couple of more games in the Big East. I'd sure rather face them than Duke, although neither is an easy task.

HolmeZz 02-06-2006 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe
Frankly, this bracketology sucks.

Iowa is currently 6th in the RPI and all alone in 1st place atop the Big 10 (highest conference RPI among all conferences). They've also played more RPI Top 50's than almost anyone, and have a winning record against them.

I'm not saying they should be a #1 or even #2 seed, but having them as a #4 is ridiculous.

I don't think they're better than any of the 3 seeds.

htismaqe 02-06-2006 07:39 PM

They've already beaten Illinois (#2) once and they're better than LSU (#3).

banyon 02-06-2006 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe
They've already beaten Illinois (#2) once and they're better than LSU (#3).

I was about to blast your :IA: lovin', but then I looked at their schedule and decided I couldn't back that up. They have beaten some pretty good teams.

IMO,

http://images.sportsline.com/images/...l/logos/IA.gif Quality Wins: Kentucky, N.C. State, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio St., Michigan

Bad Losses: @Iowa St (by 12); @Michigan St (by 30)

http://images.sportsline.com/images/.../logos/LSU.gif Quality Wins: @West Va, Tennessee, Alabama

Bad Losses: Houston (good Loss? @ UCONN by 1)

After reviewing the resumes, I believe you just may be right about these two teams.

HolmeZz 02-06-2006 08:08 PM

I wasn't talking about resumes. I was stating I don't think they're better than any of the 3 seeds.

banyon 02-06-2006 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz
I wasn't talking about resumes. I was stating I don't think they're better than any of the 3 seeds.

Yeah, but tourney resume or not, :IA: has been more consistent against better competition. Head to head, Iowa might lose to LSU, because they don't really match up too well with Glen Davis. But against the tournament field, I think there are more teams that I could see Iowa beating than LSU.

tk13 02-06-2006 08:19 PM

Yeah Iowa probably deserves to be higher, but as tough as the Big Ten is there's still a lot of time for teams to make a big move up or down.

I'd like to see that Washington DC bracket come to fruition, that'd be one tough bracket.

HolmeZz 02-06-2006 08:20 PM

LSU's been more consistent lately and are starting to round into form. They just lost @ Alabama and fell a spot out of the polls, but they had been playing as well as any top 15 team in the country for the last month. Iowa has a nice resume, but they haven't done jack shit on the road. That's more indicative of how a team will fare in the NCAA tourney. LSU's played pretty tough on the road.

sedated 02-06-2006 08:37 PM

We went from bubble to a 6 seed?

All because the sooners choked at the fieldhouse?

we need some more big wins before I buy that one.

banyon 02-06-2006 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated
We went from bubble to a 6 seed?

All because the sooners choked at the fieldhouse?

we need some more big wins before I buy that one.

We were a 9 last week and "next four out" the week before. It's all too fast!!

Skip Towne 02-06-2006 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated
We went from bubble to a 6 seed?

All because the sooners choked at the fieldhouse?

we need some more big wins before I buy that one.

It's not because Zero U choked. If KU would have won the two rival games the 'Hawks should have won, they would now be riding a 14 game winning streak. They improve steadily every week. There aren't 20 teams in the country that can beat KU consistently. And there are fewer of them every week.

htismaqe 02-06-2006 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz
I wasn't talking about resumes. I was stating I don't think they're better than any of the 3 seeds.

Like I said, they already beat Illinois. Until they play them there, that's all you have to go on.

And look at LSU's road schedule and tell me again how "tough" they are.

htismaqe 02-06-2006 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne
It's not because Zero U choked. If KU would have won the two rival games the 'Hawks should have won, they would now be riding a 14 game winning streak. They improve steadily every week. There aren't 20 teams in the country that can beat KU consistently. And there are fewer of them every week.

The Jayhawks are gonna be tough come tournament time.

They're getting the freshman mistakes out and the talent is starting to seep through...

greg63 02-06-2006 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne
It's not because Zero U choked. If KU would have won the two rival games the 'Hawks should have won, they would now be riding a 14 game winning streak. They improve steadily every week. There aren't 20 teams in the country that can beat KU consistently. And there are fewer of them every week.



Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe
The Jayhawks are gonna be tough come tournament time.

They're getting the freshman mistakes out and the talent is starting to seep through...


I think so too; they are begining to peak. IMO

TRR 02-06-2006 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz
LSU's been more consistent lately and are starting to round into form. They just lost @ Alabama and fell a spot out of the polls, but they had been playing as well as any top 15 team in the country for the last month. Iowa has a nice resume, but they haven't done jack shit on the road. That's more indicative of how a team will fare in the NCAA tourney. LSU's played pretty tough on the road.

How can you possibly say life on the road, especially in the Big Ten, has anything to do with how successful a team will be in the NCAA Tourney? If anything, the Big Ten Vs ACC Tourney would be a better indicator of how a team might do in the NCAA Tourney...Being it's a neutral court and all. Iowa played great in the Big Ten Vs ACC Tourney, beating Kentucky and North Carolina, and playing Texas tough.

If you look at road games as an indicator of how well a team is going to do in the NCAA's...Especially from the Big Ten...Iowa, Illinois, Michigan State, Ohio State, and Michigan would all lose in the first round.

No comparison.

HolmeZz 02-06-2006 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe
And look at LSU's road schedule and tell me again how "tough" they are.

?

They beat West Virginia. They barely lost to UConn. And they blew leads at Cincy and OSU, two games they easily could've won. They also have a nice win at Arkansas They play well on the road.

Iowa got beat by 30(which is more margin of victory than LSU's 6 losses combined) by Michigan State, lost by 14 at Wisconsin, and also lost at Iowa State and at Northern Iowa. They don't have a single quality road win. The committee looks at that.

HolmeZz 02-06-2006 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRR
If anything, the Big Ten Vs ACC Tourney would be a better indicator of how a team might do in the NCAA Tourney...Being it's a neutral court and all. Iowa played great in the Big Ten Vs ACC Tourney, beating Kentucky and North Carolina, and playing Texas tough.

The ACC/Big Ten Tourney is not a neutral court, and the team Iowa played was NC State.

jspchief 02-06-2006 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz
Iowa has a nice resume, but they haven't done jack shit on the road. That's more indicative of how a team will fare in the NCAA tourney.

Iowa is .500 on the road, so is LSU. How is one "jack shit" while the other tough?

Iowa is already one of the best defensive teams in the country. Horner finally looks like he may be 100% and Haluska and some of the other guys are finding their shot. If the Hawks continue to play defense like they have, and start shooting like they can, they'll be a #2 seed come tournament time. And they would wipe the floor with LSU the way they are playing right now.

Pitt Gorilla 02-06-2006 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by banyon
I was about to blast your :IA: lovin', but then I looked at their schedule and decided I couldn't back that up. They have beaten some pretty good teams.

IMO,

http://images.sportsline.com/images/...l/logos/IA.gif Quality Wins: Kentucky, N.C. State, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio St., Michigan

Bad Losses: @Iowa St (by 12); @Michigan St (by 30)

http://images.sportsline.com/images/.../logos/LSU.gif Quality Wins: @West Va, Tennessee, Alabama

Bad Losses: Houston (good Loss? @ UCONN by 1)

After reviewing the resumes, I believe you just may be right about these two teams.

Northern Iowa beat both of them.

Skip Towne 02-06-2006 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greg63
I think so too; they are begining to peak. IMO

Beginning to peak is right. They still throw the ball away too much and need to improve their free throwing. The defense continues to improve. They have 5 guys (that play) that are 6'8 or bigger. Three of them are more than 235#. They're beginning to look like a "Bill Self" team. Thugs in training. And with so many of them, fouls aren't a problem. If they get a #6 or worse, they could really surprise some highly ranked teams. I sure wouldn't want to face them if I were a #2 or #3 but didn't play a very tough schedule.

HolmeZz 02-06-2006 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief
Iowa is .500 on the road, so is LSU. How is one "jack shit" while the other tough?.

If you're just going to ignore the actual teams they played AND margin of victory... :rolleyes:

EDIT: I have Iowa at 3-4 on the road, with those 4 losses coming by 60 points. LSU is 4-4, with those 4 losses coming by 11 points. LSU also played a much tougher road schedule.

banyon 02-06-2006 09:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla
Northern Iowa beat both of them.

Yeah, the Panthers are tough this year!

(note: that's why I didn't consider it a bad loss for either team)

Skip Towne 02-06-2006 09:41 PM

Has KU ever played Iowa? I don't remember it but a lot is hazy in 50 years of being a :KU: fan.

jspchief 02-06-2006 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz
If you're just going to ignore the actual teams they played AND margin of victory... :rolleyes:

EDIT: I have Iowa at 3-4 on the road, with those 4 losses coming by 60 points. LSU is 4-4, with those 4 losses coming by 11 points. LSU also played a much tougher road schedule.

LSU played a tougher road schedule? How do you figure that? Iowa has played 4 teams that were ranked in the top 25 at the time they played, LSU has only played 3.

Whatever. The AP and Coaches poll pretty much agree that Iowa is the better team.

HolmeZz 02-06-2006 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief
LSU played a tougher road schedule? How do you figure that? Iowa has played 4 teams that were ranked in the top 25 at the time they played, LSU has only played 3.

Whatever. The AP and Coaches poll pretty much agree that Iowa is the better team.

If you can't even come to grips with the fact that LSU has played a tougher road schedule then this discussion isn't going anywhere.

Road Games:

UConn, West Virginia, Ohio State, Cincinnati, Arkansas, Alabama > Michigan State, Wisconsin, Iowa State, Northern Iowa, Purdue, Penn State, Saint Louis

I don't even see the 4 teams Iowa played on the road that were ranked at the time. Looking at the polls and when they played those teams, Iowa played two ranked teams, when they met, on the road; Michigan State and Wisconsin. Michigan State beat them by 30 and Wisconsin by 14.

LSU played 3 ranked teams at the time they met; 1 point loss at UConn, 3 point win at West Virginia, and a 2 point loss at Ohio State, a game they led most of the way.

banyon 02-06-2006 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne
Has KU ever played Iowa? I don't remember it but a lot is hazy in 50 years of being a :KU: fan.

1999@Iowa
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1999-2000: Game 21 - Iowa 77, #15 Kansas 69
February 3, 2000 - Iowa City, IA

Kansas (16-5) Min FG 3FG FT Reb Ast TO Blk Stl PF Pts
Boschee, Jeff ^ 21 2-8 1-7 0-0 0-3 3 1 0 2 5 5
Gregory, Kenny ^ 21 6-11 0-0 0-0 3-5 1 2 0 1 4 12
Chenowith, Eric ^ 25 2-5 0-0 0-0 3-3 0 0 1 0 2 4
Collison, Nick ^ 29 7-15 0-3 7-8 4-10 0 2 0 0 3 21
Bradford, Nick ^ 30 2-5 1-4 1-1 1-4 1 2 0 4 3 6
Gooden, Drew 13 3-6 0-0 1-3 1-4 0 4 0 1 2 7
London, Marlon 23 4-7 1-1 0-2 3-4 0 6 0 0 3 9
Hinrich, Kirk 26 1-6 1-5 0-0 1-4 6 5 0 1 1 3
Johnson, Ashante 8 1-2 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 1 2
Carey, Jeff 2 0-0 0-0 0-0 0-1 0 0 0 0 2 0
Nooner, Terry 2 0-1 0-1 0-0 1-2 1 0 0 0 1 0
Earl, Lester DNP - suspended
Axtell, Luke DNP - illness
Crider, John DNP - coach's decision
Team 1-5
Totals 28-66
.424 4-21
.190 9-14
.643 18-45 12 22 1 9 27 69


Iowa Min FG 3FG FT Reb Ast TO Blk Stl PF Pts
Griffin, Rob ^ 23 2-8 1-3 5-6 0-1 0 2 0 2 1 10
Henderson, Duez ^ 21 2-4 0-0 4-6 2-4 1 2 0 1 4 8
Jaacks, Jacob ^ 30 4-9 2-3 6-8 3-10 0 3 1 2 4 16
Oliver, Dean ^ 36 4-7 1-2 1-3 0-2 7 4 0 3 0 10
Luehrsmann, Ryan ^ 33 3-7 1-5 1-3 0-5 5 1 0 2 1 8
Price, Jason 10 1-1 0-0 0-0 0-1 3 1 0 2 0 2
Fermino, Joe 3 0-0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 2 0 0 0 0
Gomes, Marcelo 3 0-0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 1 0 1 0
Thompson, Rod 21 5-6 1-1 3-5 0-5 0 1 0 2 4 14
Galloway, Kyle 20 3-7 3-7 0-2 0-0 1 1 0 0 1 9
Team 1-1
Total 24-49
.490 9-21
.429 20-33
.606 6-29 17 17 2 14 16 77


Halftime Score: KU 29, Iowa 25
Fouled out: Boschee
Technical fouls: none
Officials: Tom Rucker, Ted Hillary, Jim Burr
Attendance: 15,500
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1998 @Allen Fieldhouse
1998-99: Game 7 - Iowa 85, Kansas 81
December 8, 1998 - Allen Fieldhouse

Kansas (5-2) Min FGs 3FGs FTs Reb Ast TO Blk Stl PF Pts
Robertson, Ryan ^ 37 5-12 2-6 0-0 2-5 7 2 0 1 1 12
Gregory, Kenny ^ 32 9-13 1-2 1-4 2-6 5 2 0 0 2 20
Chenowith, Eric ^ 29 5-11 0-0 0-2 4-6 1 5 3 2 3 10
Boschee, Jeff ^ 29 5-11 3-8 2-4 0-1 4 4 0 4 3 15
Bradford, Nick ^ 23 3-6 0-1 3-4 3-5 2 5 0 4 5 9
London, Marlon 16 3-7 0-0 1-2 1-2 1 0 0 3 3 7
Pugh, T.J. 20 2-4 0-0 1-3 3-4 1 2 0 3 5 5
Nooner, Terry 4 0-0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 1 1 0
Carey, Jeff 10 0-3 0-0 3-4 2-2 0 1 1 0 1 3
Earl, Lester DNP - Injury
Johnson, Ashante DNP - Injury
Janisse, Jelani DNP - Coach's decision
Crider, John DNP - Coach's decision
Martin, Chris DNP - Coach's decision
Team 1-1
Totals 32-67 6-17 11-23 18-32 21 21 4 18 24 81


Iowa (6-1) Min FGs 3FGs FTs Reb Ast TO Blk Stl PF Pts
Settles, Jess ^ 14 1-1 0-0 0-0 1-3 1 4 0 0 3 2
Oliver, Dean ^ 29 5-13 2-5 1-3 3-5 7 7 0 3 3 13
Rucker, Guy ^ 17 3-7 0-0 2-2 2-6 0 4 1 0 2 8
McCausland, Kent ^ 28 5-9 5-9 0-0 0-0 3 3 0 1 2 15
Luehrsmann, Ryan ^ 15 3-3 0-0 0-0 0-0 1 3 0 0 3 6
Bauer, Jason 18 0-0 0-0 2-2 3-5 1 1 0 2 1 2
Price, Jason 11 1-2 0-0 2-2 1-1 0 1 0 0 1 4
Jaacks, Jacob 21 5-7 1-1 3-7 1-4 1 1 0 1 2 14
Henderson, Duez 5 0-1 0-0 1-2 0-2 0 0 0 0 1 1
Range, Joey 19 3-6 1-1 1-2 3-6 0 4 0 1 3 8
Koch, J.R. 23 3-6 0-1 6-8 2-6 2 3 3 1 3 12
Team 3-3
Totals 29-55 9-17 18-28 19-41 16 31 4 9 24 85


Halftime Score: Kansas 43, Iowa 34
Fouled out: Bradford, Pugh
Technical fouls: none
Officials: Tom O'Neill, Dan Chrisman, Tom Rucker
Attendance: 16,300

banyon 02-06-2006 09:55 PM

I'd forgotten how that Jaacks guy made Chenowith his b*tch both times we played them.

Mr. Kotter 02-06-2006 09:57 PM

WAAAAAAYYYYY too early for this chit......

IF they continue playin' as they have and continue improving, a 6 is possible. They'd have to play well the rest of the way; no more than one, maybe two losses. Go Baby Hawks!

RCJGKU :KU:

Ceej 02-06-2006 10:00 PM

That UK/WSU game is intriguing.

But, how can UK be considered to make the tournament? They are trash.

jspchief 02-06-2006 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz
If you can't even come to grips with the fact that LSU has played a tougher road schedule then this discussion isn't going anywhere.

Road Games:

UConn, West Virginia, Ohio State, Cincinnati, Arkansas, Alabama > Michigan State, Wisconsin, Iowa State, Northern Iowa, Purdue, Penn State, Saint Louis

I don't even see the 4 teams Iowa played on the road that were ranked at the time. Looking at the polls and when they played those teams, Iowa played two ranked teams, when they met, on the road; Michigan State and Wisconsin. Michigan State beat them by 30 and Wisconsin by 14.

LSU played 3 ranked teams at the time they met; 1 point loss at UConn, 3 point win at West Virginia, and a 2 point loss at Ohio State, a game they led most of the way.

Conveniently left out Kentucky and Texas from Iowa's road games.

And like I said, there's about 500 voters between the two polls that agree with me.

HolmeZz 02-06-2006 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief
Conveniently left out Kentucky and Texas from Iowa's road games.

And like I said, there's about 500 voters between the two polls that agree with me.

Those weren't road games. STFU

In fact, they were each more of a home game.

LSU and Iowa were each higher than one another in opposite polls last week. LSU is just coming off a loss at Alabama.

Prince22 02-07-2006 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJizzles
That UK/WSU game is intriguing.

But, how can UK be considered to make the tournament? They are trash.


watch your mouth

Ceej 02-07-2006 12:32 AM

Who have you beat? You got smoked by Indiana, Kansas and Florida. Give me some big wins. Trash, trash, trash. The way things are going for you I doubt you make the tournament and I doubt Tubby has a job in Lexington next year. But, the way it is sounding you guys would enjoy that.

banyon 02-07-2006 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJizzles
Who have you beat? You got smoked by Indiana, Kansas and Florida. Give me some big wins. Trash, trash, trash. The way things are going for you I doubt you make the tournament and I doubt Tubby has a job in Lexington next year. But, the way it is sounding you guys would enjoy that.

Hey, hey! They did beat the hell outta Louisville on their home court.

Oh wait..that's right, Louisville is terrible this year! :)
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BTW, For anyone interested...Gonzaga struggling with St. Mary's right now on ESPN2.

Ceej 02-07-2006 12:37 AM

Oh... yeah. BIG WIN! Good work.

Ceej 02-07-2006 12:39 AM

Oh, nice. L-Ville! Great.

I actually want UK to make the tournament. That way my hometown school WSU could beat a team with so much tradition. Good luck making the tournament 'Cats! :)

banyon 02-07-2006 12:46 AM

Zags in SERIOUS trouble. Going down.

Ceej 02-07-2006 12:52 AM

Hmm, sooner than usual.

Redick + Morrison = Two crybaby titty bitches. But, they both can ball.

banyon 02-07-2006 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJizzles
Hmm, sooner than usual.

Redick + Morrison = Two crybaby titty bitches. But, they both can ball.

What a great game. Glad I tuned in.

Ceej 02-07-2006 12:59 AM

It better not end like this though.

Ceej 02-07-2006 01:04 AM

What a horribly disgusting finish. Officiating has been pretty bad all around this year.

banyon 02-07-2006 01:12 AM

Yeah, but whattdya want? It's the WCC.

Their Refs probably get paid in Cheese Puffs after the game. :D

Prince22 02-07-2006 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJizzles
Who have you beat? You got smoked by Indiana, Kansas and Florida. Give me some big wins. Trash, trash, trash. The way things are going for you I doubt you make the tournament and I doubt Tubby has a job in Lexington next year. But, the way it is sounding you guys would enjoy that.


I'm well aware we are not having a good year but we will make the tournament. We had won 5 descent games in a row, and up until the second half of the Florida game it looked like we had started to turn things around. I have no other explanation for that collapse other than Florida is a much more athletic team and they took it to us. It's tough to win on the road against the 7th ranked team in the nation. And to be fair we didn't have Randolph Morris for those games against Kansas and Indiana. Not that we would have won those games but it would have been a different outcome.

And for the record, I love Tubby Smith. I have always supported him and always will. And you have got to be an idiot if you think he will lose his job at UK. Over the past three years he's won more games than any coach in cbb. A lot of UK fans have as short of memory as yours.

Our one true quality win was (9)West Virginia. Our next will be tuesday night (11) Tennessee. Louisville's not helping us out in the QW category but its still a huge win over an in-state rivalry.

And by the way, 90% of the time we win the SEC tournament everytime.

Ceej 02-07-2006 01:57 AM

I'm an idiot? Cause UK fans I know were calling for Smith's head after his embarrassing losses on the road this year? You my friend, are an idiot and a true homer.

Good luck with that 90% winning the conference tournament thing. Looks like you guys WILL need to win it this year to make it to the big dance! Good luck!

Prince22 02-07-2006 02:03 AM

It would be foolish to get into a debate with a KU fan on this message board but I want to know where your teams quality wins are this year. Oklahoma is the only one right???

HolmeZz 02-07-2006 02:06 AM

This thread needs a little...

U-C-O-N-N UCONN UCONN UCONN.

As an impartial observer, I'd put it like this...

Kansas Quality W's:
- California
- @ Iowa State
- Oklahoma

Kentucky Quality W's:
- West Virginia
- Louisville
- Arkansas

I'm not forgetting the UK/KU game. I was just leaving it out because I think the quality wins are fairly even, all things considered, without taking into consideration that game. Kansas gets the edge overall for having destroyed Kentucky though.

Prince22 02-07-2006 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJizzles
I'm an idiot? Cause UK fans I know were calling for Smith's head after his embarrassing losses on the road this year? You my friend, are an idiot and a true homer.

Good luck with that 90% winning the conference tournament thing. Looks like you guys WILL need to win it this year to make it to the big dance! Good luck!


Yes, many UK fans were/are calling for his head. I'm not denying that. I've seen on this message board guys calling for Self's head. Go to a Louisville board and they're calling for Pitino's head. What the **** difference does it make? These coaches aren't going anywhere.
Tubby has a NC and 3 elite eights under his belt. He's a helluva coach and you think he deserves to be fired for this season after he has had the number 1 seed over all twice in the past 4 years? You my friend must not watch much college basketball.

Prince22 02-07-2006 02:19 AM

"I'm not forgetting the UK/KU game. I was just leaving it out because I think the quality wins are fairly even, all things considered, without taking into consideration that game. Kansas gets the edge overall for having destroyed Kentucky though.[/QUOTE]"




I agree, as they should. I'm just pissed because this guy who obviously knows nothing about UK or college basketball is saying Tubby will be fired. What a dumbass.

alanm 02-07-2006 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla
Northern Iowa beat both of them.

And Creighton swept Northern Iowa this year. But it still doesn't mean squat come March. :shake:

tk13 02-07-2006 02:45 AM

Missouri Valley should get a bunch of teams in. Be interesting to see how much they get shafted come selection day. I think you could make a case for the Big East and Big Ten getting a bazillion teams in, but it'll be interesting to see if they get shafted for some of the middle of the pack major conference teams.

Lzen 02-07-2006 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz
This thread needs a little...

U-C-O-N-N UCONN UCONN UCONN.

As an impartial observer, I'd put it like this...

Kansas Quality W's:
- California
- @ Iowa State
- Oklahoma

Kentucky Quality W's:
- West Virginia
- Louisville
- Arkansas

I'm not forgetting the UK/KU game. I was just leaving it out because I think the quality wins are fairly even, all things considered, without taking into consideration that game. Kansas gets the edge overall for having destroyed Kentucky though.

How about throwing in @ Colorado for KU QWs? I mean, they are a top 25 team this year, right? ;)

Lzen 02-07-2006 07:00 AM

Big 12 honors KU frosh Rush
 
Kansas guard Brandon Rush was named Big 12 rookie of the week Monday after averaging 21 points and 7 rebounds in victories over Texas Tech and Oklahoma. He scored 10 of his game-high 18 points against OU over the final 9:33 and blocked two shots in the final minute as the Jayhawks rallied from a 16-point deficit to win 59-58 in Allen Fieldhouse.

"He can be as good as he wants to be," OU coach Kelvin Sampson said Monday during the Big 12 teleconference. "Had he been a little bit better last year in Chicago (at an NBA scouting camp), he wouldn't be in college. There was a reason he was in Chicago. He's a pro."

Rush leads Big 12 freshmen with a 14.8-point average. Although he has not made enough 3-pointers to qualify for the Big 12 stats, he is 33 of 62 from that range, a .532 percentage.

"Guys that athletic, guys that long usually aren't good 3-point shooters," Sampson added, "but there's no area of the game he's not good in."

SAMPSON MADE REFERENCE to the officiating when asked Monday how he expects the Sooners to rebound from the loss at Kansas.

"It was a frustrating game. there was some things, whether a missed call or non-call, there were a lot of things out of our control," he said.
"But that's just basketball and you've got to be tough enough to overcome those things."

DURING HIS RADIO call-in show Monday night, KU coach Bill Self wished Kansas State coach Jim Wooldridge a speedy recovery. It was disclosed Monday that Wooldridge will require immediate surgery for a buldging disc in his neck, which will force him to miss the Wildcats' game on Wednesday against Iowa State.

"I didn't know Jim was struggling," Self said. "This is a terrible time for something like that, but the most important thing is to get right. I know we have a great rivalry and they beat us over here, but you never wish ill will on anybody. We wish he and his staff and players the best."

KANSAS TIP-IN

• KU does not expect any lingering effects for Brandon Rush after he was poked in the eye early in Sunday's game and complained of blurry vision. The KU medical staff administered antibiotic drops.

http://hawkzone.cjonline.com/stories...aw_notes.shtml

Note the parts in bold. Then look at a couple clips in my sig. This is why I can't stand that whiney little bitch, Kelvin Sampson. He always whines about the officiating when they lose to KU but his own team fouls more than any other team in the conference. Jackass.

And was it just me or did anyone else take his comments about Rush being at KU instead of the NBA as complaining? As if Rush shouldn't be allowed to play college hoops since he's a pro talent. Maybe I'm just reading too much into it but, it sure seemed that way to me.

Swanman 02-07-2006 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13
Missouri Valley should get a bunch of teams in. Be interesting to see how much they get shafted come selection day. I think you could make a case for the Big East and Big Ten getting a bazillion teams in, but it'll be interesting to see if they get shafted for some of the middle of the pack major conference teams.

The Big Ten should get 7 in this year, unless Wisconsin completely tanks the rest of the season because their roster is down to 8 players. The MVC should get 4 teams in this year - Wichita State, Creighton, Northern Iowa and Southern Illinois. The MVC will take spots usually taken by teams from the SEC, PAC 10 and Big 12 due to those conferences being down this year. Plus, last time I checked the MVC's conference RPI was fourth in the nation behind the Big 10, Big East and ACC.

greg63 02-07-2006 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Swanman
The Big Ten should get 7 in this year, unless Wisconsin completely tanks the rest of the season because their roster is down to 8 players. The MVC should get 4 teams in this year - Wichita State, Creighton, Northern Iowa and Southern Illinois. The MVC will take spots usually taken by teams from the SEC, PAC 10 and Big 12 due to those conferences being down this year. Plus, last time I checked the MVC's conference RPI was fourth in the nation behind the Big 10, Big East and ACC.


It'll be great to see WSU in the tournament.

htismaqe 02-07-2006 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz
Those weren't road games. STFU

In fact, they were each more of a home game.

LSU and Iowa were each higher than one another in opposite polls last week. LSU is just coming off a loss at Alabama.

Seriously dude, just come out and say it.

"I don't care about facts. I just don't like Iowa."

You know that's what it is, you just want to appear to be impartial.

Ceej 02-07-2006 10:16 AM

I never said he WOULDN'T be back. I said the way UK has been playing it wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't back the following year. Follow me here.


KU also had a good win @ CU.

UK's win against Louisville was not a good win. That's all there is to that. Again, the way things are shaping up UK is going to have to play lights out the rest of the year or win their conference tournament, which they do 90% of the time.

Prince22 02-07-2006 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CJizzles
I never said he WOULDN'T be back. I said the way UK has been playing it wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't back the following year. Follow me here.


KU also had a good win @ CU.

UK's win against Louisville was not a good win. That's all there is to that. Again, the way things are shaping up UK is going to have to play lights out the rest of the year or win their conference tournament, which they do 90% of the time.


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Originally Posted by CJizzles
I doubt Tubby has a job in Lexington next year. .


What am I not following :rolleyes:

Prince22 02-07-2006 10:37 AM

And by the way, any win over a rival as big as ours is a big win.

Ceej 02-07-2006 11:18 AM

Big game in the MVC tonight which could make a big difference come selection Sunday.

WSU @ Northern Iowa...If the shocks could pull this one out on the road it would be a big confidence booster.

HolmeZz 02-07-2006 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Seriously dude, just come out and say it.

"I don't care about facts. I just don't like Iowa."

You know that's what it is, you just want to appear to be impartial.

What facts? I'm the one who's been giving all the facts. :|

I honestly do like Iowa. I think they're a good team and they can be dangerous. I just think LSU is a better team. Is there any way I can say that without not liking Iowa? :rolleyes:

Andoverer 02-07-2006 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CJizzles
Big game in the MVC tonight which could make a big difference come selection Sunday.

WSU @ Northern Iowa...If the shocks could pull this one out on the road it would be a big confidence booster.

That plus it could likely push them into the top 25 at last.

htismaqe 02-07-2006 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz
What facts? I'm the one who's been giving all the facts. :|

I honestly do like Iowa. I think they're a good team and they can be dangerous. I just think LSU is a better team. Is there any way I can say that without not liking Iowa? :rolleyes:

Yeah, there's a way you can say that. Exactly like you just said it.

You THINK LSU is a better team.

So far you've really not proven your case though.

HolmeZz 02-07-2006 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Yeah, there's a way you can say that. Exactly like you just said it.

You THINK LSU is a better team.

So far you've really not proven your case though.

a) I don't have to prove shit to you.

b) I did say it as my opinion in the first post. "I don't think they're better than any of the 3 seeds."

c) I made the case that I thought LSU would fare better in the NCAA tourney because of how each team played on the road. That claim was countered with ridiculous arguments like "they're both .500 on the road!!!". I'm the one actually stating facts relevant to the game of basketball. All anyone's been able to come back with is "well, Iowa's ranked higher".

Saulbadguy 02-07-2006 01:31 PM

Iowa has a higher RPI.

HolmeZz 02-07-2006 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
Iowa has a higher RPI.

Arizona has an RPI of like 18.

Again, I never argued that LSU had a better resume. They don't. Iowa has a better resume. All I've said is that I think LSU is a better team.

htismaqe 02-07-2006 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz
a) I don't have to prove shit to you.

b) I did say it as my opinion in the first post. "I don't think they're better than any of the 3 seeds."

c) I made the case that I thought LSU would fare better in the NCAA tourney because of how each team played on the road. That claim was countered with ridiculous arguments like "they're both .500 on the road!!!". I'm the one actually stating facts relevant to the game of basketball. All anyone's been able to come back with is "well, Iowa's ranked higher".

1) Then why do you keep spewing out "facts" that don't mean shit?

2) And when your opinion got disagreed with, you started in with the "facts".

3) Ridiculous arguments? You best read you own. Your case for LSU is WEAK.

HolmeZz 02-07-2006 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
1) Then why do you keep spewing out "facts" that don't mean shit?

2) And when your opinion got disagreed with, you started in with the "facts".

3) Ridiculous arguments? You best read you own. Your case for LSU is WEAK.

What facts did I spew out that don't mean shit? I made the case that LSU was a much better road team than Iowa. Are you going to argue against that? If so, let me hear it.

htismaqe 02-07-2006 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz
What facts did I spew out that don't mean shit? I made the case that LSU was a much better road team than Iowa. Are you going to argue against that? If so, let me hear it.

Why bother?

You made your case.

SEVERAL reasons were given as to why your opinion MIGHT be wrong.

You took the "I'm right, you're wrong" stance and your surprised that people no longer want to debate about it?

HolmeZz 02-07-2006 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Why bother?

You made your case.

SEVERAL reasons were given as to why your opinion MIGHT be wrong.

You took the "I'm right, you're wrong" stance and your surprised that people no longer want to debate about it?

If the argument against it was reasonable, sure I would've listened to it. Saying "well they're both .500 on the road" was...

1) First off, false. Iowa is 3-4 on the road. LSU is 4-4.

2) Secondly, it ignores the actual opponents each played on the road and ignores how they played in the games.

Again, I said LSU was the better team in my opinion. I didn't try to defend that actual point though because I think you could make the argument for either side that it's better than the other. What I did claim was that LSU was the better road team. If you can make a good argument against it, I'd like to hear it.

Lzen 02-07-2006 02:31 PM

Hey, I thought this was supposed to be a KU thread. GTF outta here, you other fans. 4321




:p

HolmeZz 02-08-2006 08:50 PM

Iowa dominant tonight on the road.

htismaqe 02-08-2006 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz
Iowa dominant tonight on the road.

What's the score? I'm not allowed to watch the game, my 4-year old made me play football -- in the HOUSE.


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