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New Bracketology Out:2/20 KU #4 Seed
:KU: bracket looks like this:
Greensboro (1) DUKE (25-1) (16) ALBANY (16-9) / Amer East (8) Cincinnati (17-9) (9) Kentucky (17-9) San Diego (5) LSU (17-7) (12) UAB (18-5) (4) KANSAS (18-6) (13) WISC.-MILW. (17-8) / Horizon Dayton (6) North Carolina (17-6) (11) Arkansas (17-8) (3) Pittsburgh (20-4) (14) MURRAY ST (19-5) / OVC Dayton (7) Washington (20-5) (10) So. Illinois (18-8) (2) Ohio State (19-4) (15) IUPUI (16-7) / Mid-Con http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology ________________________________________________ :KU: moves up one spot to a #4 seed. Wow. I thought we'd have to beat Texas to get that high. Now we have LSU as 2nd round opponent instead of G. Washington. Probably a better team for us to match up with IMHO. But I really like the benefit of moving up one seed in the 1st round. Now we draw Wisc-Milwaukee instead of UAB. That's much better. Usually the worst seed an at large team will get is a 12, so as a 4 we'd be guaranteed a conference champ, which is usually a little easier. Still in San Diego. Texas and Memphis still get the Dallas pod. Still in the Duke bracket. Oh well. |
Jack Harry is pissed on "the Spot" b/c :KU: isn't ranked. That's silly. We beat a lower tier ranked team (OK) at home. Yeah Colorado should've dropped out, but LSU still should've been ahead of us.
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Hopfeully KU pulls it out and makes the tourny.
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I dont want any piece of Villanova....they're going to be a tough out come tourney time.
I wouldnt mind taking on Duke. I'd like to see Chalmers on Reddick..... |
those bastereds
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That is a pretty loaded bracket, especially towards the bottom. Teams like Kansas, Kentucky, Wichita St, George Mason, Nevada, Maryland, and Manhattan all dangerous lower seeds in that region
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I think if they finish strong, they would be deserving of a #5 or #6... between #17-24 overall. As said in another thread, it'll be a great March, because there are no expectations.
I hate ESPN for loving Kentucky so much... they are not one of the top 35 teams in the nation. After KU smacked them around, it was all about "the Kentucky loss"... and even after talking about how they barely beat Iona and Central Florida at home, they would say they had a good chance of getting in. They have the same chance as KU to get better and prove they belong before selection Sunday, but they haven't done it yet. Teams shouldn't get in because they're KU or UK, no matter what the fan base or ESPN says. |
Frankly, this bracketology sucks.
Iowa is currently 6th in the RPI and all alone in 1st place atop the Big 10 (highest conference RPI among all conferences). They've also played more RPI Top 50's than almost anyone, and have a winning record against them. I'm not saying they should be a #1 or even #2 seed, but having them as a #4 is ridiculous. |
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They've already beaten Illinois (#2) once and they're better than LSU (#3).
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IMO, http://images.sportsline.com/images/...l/logos/IA.gif Quality Wins: Kentucky, N.C. State, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio St., Michigan Bad Losses: @Iowa St (by 12); @Michigan St (by 30) http://images.sportsline.com/images/.../logos/LSU.gif Quality Wins: @West Va, Tennessee, Alabama Bad Losses: Houston (good Loss? @ UCONN by 1) After reviewing the resumes, I believe you just may be right about these two teams. |
I wasn't talking about resumes. I was stating I don't think they're better than any of the 3 seeds.
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Yeah Iowa probably deserves to be higher, but as tough as the Big Ten is there's still a lot of time for teams to make a big move up or down.
I'd like to see that Washington DC bracket come to fruition, that'd be one tough bracket. |
LSU's been more consistent lately and are starting to round into form. They just lost @ Alabama and fell a spot out of the polls, but they had been playing as well as any top 15 team in the country for the last month. Iowa has a nice resume, but they haven't done jack shit on the road. That's more indicative of how a team will fare in the NCAA tourney. LSU's played pretty tough on the road.
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We went from bubble to a 6 seed?
All because the sooners choked at the fieldhouse? we need some more big wins before I buy that one. |
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And look at LSU's road schedule and tell me again how "tough" they are. |
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They're getting the freshman mistakes out and the talent is starting to seep through... |
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I think so too; they are begining to peak. IMO |
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If you look at road games as an indicator of how well a team is going to do in the NCAA's...Especially from the Big Ten...Iowa, Illinois, Michigan State, Ohio State, and Michigan would all lose in the first round. No comparison. |
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They beat West Virginia. They barely lost to UConn. And they blew leads at Cincy and OSU, two games they easily could've won. They also have a nice win at Arkansas They play well on the road. Iowa got beat by 30(which is more margin of victory than LSU's 6 losses combined) by Michigan State, lost by 14 at Wisconsin, and also lost at Iowa State and at Northern Iowa. They don't have a single quality road win. The committee looks at that. |
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Iowa is already one of the best defensive teams in the country. Horner finally looks like he may be 100% and Haluska and some of the other guys are finding their shot. If the Hawks continue to play defense like they have, and start shooting like they can, they'll be a #2 seed come tournament time. And they would wipe the floor with LSU the way they are playing right now. |
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EDIT: I have Iowa at 3-4 on the road, with those 4 losses coming by 60 points. LSU is 4-4, with those 4 losses coming by 11 points. LSU also played a much tougher road schedule. |
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(note: that's why I didn't consider it a bad loss for either team) |
Has KU ever played Iowa? I don't remember it but a lot is hazy in 50 years of being a :KU: fan.
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Whatever. The AP and Coaches poll pretty much agree that Iowa is the better team. |
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Road Games: UConn, West Virginia, Ohio State, Cincinnati, Arkansas, Alabama > Michigan State, Wisconsin, Iowa State, Northern Iowa, Purdue, Penn State, Saint Louis I don't even see the 4 teams Iowa played on the road that were ranked at the time. Looking at the polls and when they played those teams, Iowa played two ranked teams, when they met, on the road; Michigan State and Wisconsin. Michigan State beat them by 30 and Wisconsin by 14. LSU played 3 ranked teams at the time they met; 1 point loss at UConn, 3 point win at West Virginia, and a 2 point loss at Ohio State, a game they led most of the way. |
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____________________________ 1999-2000: Game 21 - Iowa 77, #15 Kansas 69 February 3, 2000 - Iowa City, IA Kansas (16-5) Min FG 3FG FT Reb Ast TO Blk Stl PF Pts Boschee, Jeff ^ 21 2-8 1-7 0-0 0-3 3 1 0 2 5 5 Gregory, Kenny ^ 21 6-11 0-0 0-0 3-5 1 2 0 1 4 12 Chenowith, Eric ^ 25 2-5 0-0 0-0 3-3 0 0 1 0 2 4 Collison, Nick ^ 29 7-15 0-3 7-8 4-10 0 2 0 0 3 21 Bradford, Nick ^ 30 2-5 1-4 1-1 1-4 1 2 0 4 3 6 Gooden, Drew 13 3-6 0-0 1-3 1-4 0 4 0 1 2 7 London, Marlon 23 4-7 1-1 0-2 3-4 0 6 0 0 3 9 Hinrich, Kirk 26 1-6 1-5 0-0 1-4 6 5 0 1 1 3 Johnson, Ashante 8 1-2 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 1 2 Carey, Jeff 2 0-0 0-0 0-0 0-1 0 0 0 0 2 0 Nooner, Terry 2 0-1 0-1 0-0 1-2 1 0 0 0 1 0 Earl, Lester DNP - suspended Axtell, Luke DNP - illness Crider, John DNP - coach's decision Team 1-5 Totals 28-66 .424 4-21 .190 9-14 .643 18-45 12 22 1 9 27 69 Iowa Min FG 3FG FT Reb Ast TO Blk Stl PF Pts Griffin, Rob ^ 23 2-8 1-3 5-6 0-1 0 2 0 2 1 10 Henderson, Duez ^ 21 2-4 0-0 4-6 2-4 1 2 0 1 4 8 Jaacks, Jacob ^ 30 4-9 2-3 6-8 3-10 0 3 1 2 4 16 Oliver, Dean ^ 36 4-7 1-2 1-3 0-2 7 4 0 3 0 10 Luehrsmann, Ryan ^ 33 3-7 1-5 1-3 0-5 5 1 0 2 1 8 Price, Jason 10 1-1 0-0 0-0 0-1 3 1 0 2 0 2 Fermino, Joe 3 0-0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 2 0 0 0 0 Gomes, Marcelo 3 0-0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 1 0 1 0 Thompson, Rod 21 5-6 1-1 3-5 0-5 0 1 0 2 4 14 Galloway, Kyle 20 3-7 3-7 0-2 0-0 1 1 0 0 1 9 Team 1-1 Total 24-49 .490 9-21 .429 20-33 .606 6-29 17 17 2 14 16 77 Halftime Score: KU 29, Iowa 25 Fouled out: Boschee Technical fouls: none Officials: Tom Rucker, Ted Hillary, Jim Burr Attendance: 15,500 ______________________________________ 1998 @Allen Fieldhouse 1998-99: Game 7 - Iowa 85, Kansas 81 December 8, 1998 - Allen Fieldhouse Kansas (5-2) Min FGs 3FGs FTs Reb Ast TO Blk Stl PF Pts Robertson, Ryan ^ 37 5-12 2-6 0-0 2-5 7 2 0 1 1 12 Gregory, Kenny ^ 32 9-13 1-2 1-4 2-6 5 2 0 0 2 20 Chenowith, Eric ^ 29 5-11 0-0 0-2 4-6 1 5 3 2 3 10 Boschee, Jeff ^ 29 5-11 3-8 2-4 0-1 4 4 0 4 3 15 Bradford, Nick ^ 23 3-6 0-1 3-4 3-5 2 5 0 4 5 9 London, Marlon 16 3-7 0-0 1-2 1-2 1 0 0 3 3 7 Pugh, T.J. 20 2-4 0-0 1-3 3-4 1 2 0 3 5 5 Nooner, Terry 4 0-0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 1 1 0 Carey, Jeff 10 0-3 0-0 3-4 2-2 0 1 1 0 1 3 Earl, Lester DNP - Injury Johnson, Ashante DNP - Injury Janisse, Jelani DNP - Coach's decision Crider, John DNP - Coach's decision Martin, Chris DNP - Coach's decision Team 1-1 Totals 32-67 6-17 11-23 18-32 21 21 4 18 24 81 Iowa (6-1) Min FGs 3FGs FTs Reb Ast TO Blk Stl PF Pts Settles, Jess ^ 14 1-1 0-0 0-0 1-3 1 4 0 0 3 2 Oliver, Dean ^ 29 5-13 2-5 1-3 3-5 7 7 0 3 3 13 Rucker, Guy ^ 17 3-7 0-0 2-2 2-6 0 4 1 0 2 8 McCausland, Kent ^ 28 5-9 5-9 0-0 0-0 3 3 0 1 2 15 Luehrsmann, Ryan ^ 15 3-3 0-0 0-0 0-0 1 3 0 0 3 6 Bauer, Jason 18 0-0 0-0 2-2 3-5 1 1 0 2 1 2 Price, Jason 11 1-2 0-0 2-2 1-1 0 1 0 0 1 4 Jaacks, Jacob 21 5-7 1-1 3-7 1-4 1 1 0 1 2 14 Henderson, Duez 5 0-1 0-0 1-2 0-2 0 0 0 0 1 1 Range, Joey 19 3-6 1-1 1-2 3-6 0 4 0 1 3 8 Koch, J.R. 23 3-6 0-1 6-8 2-6 2 3 3 1 3 12 Team 3-3 Totals 29-55 9-17 18-28 19-41 16 31 4 9 24 85 Halftime Score: Kansas 43, Iowa 34 Fouled out: Bradford, Pugh Technical fouls: none Officials: Tom O'Neill, Dan Chrisman, Tom Rucker Attendance: 16,300 |
I'd forgotten how that Jaacks guy made Chenowith his b*tch both times we played them.
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WAAAAAAYYYYY too early for this chit......
IF they continue playin' as they have and continue improving, a 6 is possible. They'd have to play well the rest of the way; no more than one, maybe two losses. Go Baby Hawks! RCJGKU :KU: |
That UK/WSU game is intriguing.
But, how can UK be considered to make the tournament? They are trash. |
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And like I said, there's about 500 voters between the two polls that agree with me. |
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In fact, they were each more of a home game. LSU and Iowa were each higher than one another in opposite polls last week. LSU is just coming off a loss at Alabama. |
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Who have you beat? You got smoked by Indiana, Kansas and Florida. Give me some big wins. Trash, trash, trash. The way things are going for you I doubt you make the tournament and I doubt Tubby has a job in Lexington next year. But, the way it is sounding you guys would enjoy that.
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Oh wait..that's right, Louisville is terrible this year! :) ______________ BTW, For anyone interested...Gonzaga struggling with St. Mary's right now on ESPN2. |
Oh... yeah. BIG WIN! Good work.
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Oh, nice. L-Ville! Great.
I actually want UK to make the tournament. That way my hometown school WSU could beat a team with so much tradition. Good luck making the tournament 'Cats! :) |
Zags in SERIOUS trouble. Going down.
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Hmm, sooner than usual.
Redick + Morrison = Two crybaby titty bitches. But, they both can ball. |
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It better not end like this though.
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What a horribly disgusting finish. Officiating has been pretty bad all around this year.
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Yeah, but whattdya want? It's the WCC.
Their Refs probably get paid in Cheese Puffs after the game. :D |
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I'm well aware we are not having a good year but we will make the tournament. We had won 5 descent games in a row, and up until the second half of the Florida game it looked like we had started to turn things around. I have no other explanation for that collapse other than Florida is a much more athletic team and they took it to us. It's tough to win on the road against the 7th ranked team in the nation. And to be fair we didn't have Randolph Morris for those games against Kansas and Indiana. Not that we would have won those games but it would have been a different outcome. And for the record, I love Tubby Smith. I have always supported him and always will. And you have got to be an idiot if you think he will lose his job at UK. Over the past three years he's won more games than any coach in cbb. A lot of UK fans have as short of memory as yours. Our one true quality win was (9)West Virginia. Our next will be tuesday night (11) Tennessee. Louisville's not helping us out in the QW category but its still a huge win over an in-state rivalry. And by the way, 90% of the time we win the SEC tournament everytime. |
I'm an idiot? Cause UK fans I know were calling for Smith's head after his embarrassing losses on the road this year? You my friend, are an idiot and a true homer.
Good luck with that 90% winning the conference tournament thing. Looks like you guys WILL need to win it this year to make it to the big dance! Good luck! |
It would be foolish to get into a debate with a KU fan on this message board but I want to know where your teams quality wins are this year. Oklahoma is the only one right???
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This thread needs a little...
U-C-O-N-N UCONN UCONN UCONN. As an impartial observer, I'd put it like this... Kansas Quality W's: - California - @ Iowa State - Oklahoma Kentucky Quality W's: - West Virginia - Louisville - Arkansas I'm not forgetting the UK/KU game. I was just leaving it out because I think the quality wins are fairly even, all things considered, without taking into consideration that game. Kansas gets the edge overall for having destroyed Kentucky though. |
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Yes, many UK fans were/are calling for his head. I'm not denying that. I've seen on this message board guys calling for Self's head. Go to a Louisville board and they're calling for Pitino's head. What the **** difference does it make? These coaches aren't going anywhere. Tubby has a NC and 3 elite eights under his belt. He's a helluva coach and you think he deserves to be fired for this season after he has had the number 1 seed over all twice in the past 4 years? You my friend must not watch much college basketball. |
"I'm not forgetting the UK/KU game. I was just leaving it out because I think the quality wins are fairly even, all things considered, without taking into consideration that game. Kansas gets the edge overall for having destroyed Kentucky though.[/QUOTE]"
I agree, as they should. I'm just pissed because this guy who obviously knows nothing about UK or college basketball is saying Tubby will be fired. What a dumbass. |
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Missouri Valley should get a bunch of teams in. Be interesting to see how much they get shafted come selection day. I think you could make a case for the Big East and Big Ten getting a bazillion teams in, but it'll be interesting to see if they get shafted for some of the middle of the pack major conference teams.
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Big 12 honors KU frosh Rush
Kansas guard Brandon Rush was named Big 12 rookie of the week Monday after averaging 21 points and 7 rebounds in victories over Texas Tech and Oklahoma. He scored 10 of his game-high 18 points against OU over the final 9:33 and blocked two shots in the final minute as the Jayhawks rallied from a 16-point deficit to win 59-58 in Allen Fieldhouse.
"He can be as good as he wants to be," OU coach Kelvin Sampson said Monday during the Big 12 teleconference. "Had he been a little bit better last year in Chicago (at an NBA scouting camp), he wouldn't be in college. There was a reason he was in Chicago. He's a pro." Rush leads Big 12 freshmen with a 14.8-point average. Although he has not made enough 3-pointers to qualify for the Big 12 stats, he is 33 of 62 from that range, a .532 percentage. "Guys that athletic, guys that long usually aren't good 3-point shooters," Sampson added, "but there's no area of the game he's not good in." SAMPSON MADE REFERENCE to the officiating when asked Monday how he expects the Sooners to rebound from the loss at Kansas. "It was a frustrating game. there was some things, whether a missed call or non-call, there were a lot of things out of our control," he said. "But that's just basketball and you've got to be tough enough to overcome those things." DURING HIS RADIO call-in show Monday night, KU coach Bill Self wished Kansas State coach Jim Wooldridge a speedy recovery. It was disclosed Monday that Wooldridge will require immediate surgery for a buldging disc in his neck, which will force him to miss the Wildcats' game on Wednesday against Iowa State. "I didn't know Jim was struggling," Self said. "This is a terrible time for something like that, but the most important thing is to get right. I know we have a great rivalry and they beat us over here, but you never wish ill will on anybody. We wish he and his staff and players the best." KANSAS TIP-IN • KU does not expect any lingering effects for Brandon Rush after he was poked in the eye early in Sunday's game and complained of blurry vision. The KU medical staff administered antibiotic drops. http://hawkzone.cjonline.com/stories...aw_notes.shtml Note the parts in bold. Then look at a couple clips in my sig. This is why I can't stand that whiney little bitch, Kelvin Sampson. He always whines about the officiating when they lose to KU but his own team fouls more than any other team in the conference. Jackass. And was it just me or did anyone else take his comments about Rush being at KU instead of the NBA as complaining? As if Rush shouldn't be allowed to play college hoops since he's a pro talent. Maybe I'm just reading too much into it but, it sure seemed that way to me. |
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It'll be great to see WSU in the tournament. |
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"I don't care about facts. I just don't like Iowa." You know that's what it is, you just want to appear to be impartial. |
I never said he WOULDN'T be back. I said the way UK has been playing it wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't back the following year. Follow me here.
KU also had a good win @ CU. UK's win against Louisville was not a good win. That's all there is to that. Again, the way things are shaping up UK is going to have to play lights out the rest of the year or win their conference tournament, which they do 90% of the time. |
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What am I not following :rolleyes: |
And by the way, any win over a rival as big as ours is a big win.
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Big game in the MVC tonight which could make a big difference come selection Sunday.
WSU @ Northern Iowa...If the shocks could pull this one out on the road it would be a big confidence booster. |
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I honestly do like Iowa. I think they're a good team and they can be dangerous. I just think LSU is a better team. Is there any way I can say that without not liking Iowa? :rolleyes: |
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You THINK LSU is a better team. So far you've really not proven your case though. |
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b) I did say it as my opinion in the first post. "I don't think they're better than any of the 3 seeds." c) I made the case that I thought LSU would fare better in the NCAA tourney because of how each team played on the road. That claim was countered with ridiculous arguments like "they're both .500 on the road!!!". I'm the one actually stating facts relevant to the game of basketball. All anyone's been able to come back with is "well, Iowa's ranked higher". |
Iowa has a higher RPI.
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Again, I never argued that LSU had a better resume. They don't. Iowa has a better resume. All I've said is that I think LSU is a better team. |
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2) And when your opinion got disagreed with, you started in with the "facts". 3) Ridiculous arguments? You best read you own. Your case for LSU is WEAK. |
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You made your case. SEVERAL reasons were given as to why your opinion MIGHT be wrong. You took the "I'm right, you're wrong" stance and your surprised that people no longer want to debate about it? |
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1) First off, false. Iowa is 3-4 on the road. LSU is 4-4. 2) Secondly, it ignores the actual opponents each played on the road and ignores how they played in the games. Again, I said LSU was the better team in my opinion. I didn't try to defend that actual point though because I think you could make the argument for either side that it's better than the other. What I did claim was that LSU was the better road team. If you can make a good argument against it, I'd like to hear it. |
Hey, I thought this was supposed to be a KU thread. GTF outta here, you other fans. 4321
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Iowa dominant tonight on the road.
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