Tamba Hali? MOTHER F*** you CARL!!
 

If you like Hali fine.

But this was 10 picks too high to take this dude.

I wanted Williams, but even Lawson would've been better at #20.

:cuss:

There's no guarantee he would've been there in 10 picks. This was a good move. I know we're all used to lambasting Carl lots of times, but this isn't one of them.

Christ, even one of the "highlight" videos is him getting dominated by an OT from Iowa.

I dont mind this pick, he can be a starter from the start. And frankly any position we filled was an upgrade. Maybe a WR would of been a good choice...

Since we didnt go CB, do you think there is still chance of signing LAW? Im not sure but is he still unsigned?

Look at this comment.........

wow from scoutsdominate.com "What a reach by the chiefs, no wonder they haven't won a playoff game in 20 years"

Here's Yahoo's idiot commentary:

DE: Slight surprise with Hali. Most people thought Kansas City would go with a cornerback – especially after Hali's stock seemed to be slipping after some personal visits. But the Chiefs sorely need another impact pass-rusher and Hali is a high-effort guy. Not the most explosive off the edge, but he's going to outwork most players. For a defense needing good, solid players, Hali is as good a choice considering the other options available. - 3:32 pm EDT

translation: reach

I like the pick alot. Good player and good character guy. They guy will give 110% every play.

Mike Mayock of the NFL Network loved the pick

I like the pick. We need a pass rusher and we got one.

It is a reach.........when a guy is expected to go between 25-35.......it's a reach.

I still don't understand how casual fans seem to "know" when players should be selected.

ROFL

I tried to tell you they should trade down. ;)

I've just accepted that every pick will be labelled a reach.

"Expected" by whom?

I can give 110% too, But I would not have been a good pick.

Very good pick he has size, quick step off the line, and non stop motor! He will get it done for the Chiefs no doubt!!!

Yep the Chiefs can't win whomever they choose with some fans.

Honestly, I wasn't hot to trot on any of the players available to us. No matter who we picked at 20, we could've dissected him -- too small, too raw, too injured, wrong position, reach, etc.

I'm OK with Hali.

Well....

THe upside of this pick is at least he won't be lazy. The dude is going to be motivated

You don't spend a first round pick on a guy who'll only play on third down...

Tamba Hali.

SR Stats:

11.0 Sacks, 65 Tackles, 17 Tackles for loss

JR Stats:

2.0 sacks, 55 Tackles, 12 tackles for loss.

Fluke, anyone?

I don't like his talent for the pick.......I don't think any of the 5-7 teams behind us would have taken him. Hence reaching when you could move down and still get him.

It sounds like he has some of the qualities of John Browning (110% effort, plays both DT and DE, good attitude) although he's probably quicker and I don't think he's as big and strong as Browning.

Hali was the 2nd best DE in this drafted and was thought to go anywhere from 10 to 25 before the combine. He's not a reach. A reach would be what Buffalo did, selecting a fringe first rounder in Donte Whitner with the 8th overall pick.

Cause they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night!

Who's to say we didn't try to trade down? It takes two teams to tango.

Hali is a DEnd who can play all three downs. He's a football player who produced on a big stage. I'm ok with the pick. I liked Lawson's upside, but Hali will bring it every week. Adding a guy like him with his attitude can only help IMO.

DJ was not labeled that way. People regarded that pick as a "steal" because it was.

It might be a bit of a reach according to the "experts", but I'm fine with it. We have drafted player on top of player with "potential"... we've got "potential" all over the freaking field. Here is a guy who is going to show up, work hard, and get to the QB. Not flashy, but that's what I like about Herm, he drafted a football player over a bunch of measurables. Wait till Krumrie gets ahold of this guy. I like the idea of having him and Allen both being total animals rushing from each end on passing downs.

You don't know that for sure now do you? What makes you think the 49ers wouldn't take him if we picked Lawson?

I don't disagree that we could have gotten him several spots lower, but how do you know there just wasn't a trade partner? If not, and the Chiefs wanted Hali, sometimes you take a player a bit earlier than projected.

If you bothered to do any research, you'd realize he played DT as a junior. And he was very undersized for a DT. He flourished as a DE.

I guess I should've assumed that they'd take a reach.

Was that your thinking?

I agree. Carl Peterson said they were looking at the option and said they even entertained one solid offer but he decided the offer wasn't good enough.

Really, we could have moved down? Who offered us a good deal to move up? Seriously, I'd like to know.

And we didn't.

Hali is a good pick. This is the spot where he was expected to go for most of the draft process. He was productive in college, great motor, plays hard and makes plays. You need guys like that on a defense. Chiefs make a great pick two years in a row now.

I bet it was Pittsburg.

wtf are you talking about....

I like the pick:

POSITIVES: Relentless defender coming off a tremendous senior campaign. Displays outstanding first-step quickness, is fast off the edge and displays outstanding pursuing from the backside. Plays with good pad level, quickly alters his angle of attack and is fast in every direction of the field. Shows an array of hand techniques to protect himself or defeat blocks. Naturally strong and splits double-team blocks. Instinctive with a good head for the ball.

NEGATIVES: Needs to improve his body strength as he will be pushed from his angle of attack by large opponents. Occasionally pins his ears back, rushes up the field and over-pursues the action.

ANALYSIS: A natural leader slowly developing a complete game, Hali has the ability to fit several schemes at the next level. Offers possibilities as a pass-rushing end in a conventional defense or could stand up over tackle in a 34.

That's what they said about Larry Johnson.

Yeah, at his size, he'll play first and second down for sure.

He isnt that strong, only 17 reps of the 225lbs.

Yep and LJ's dad coached Tamba so that might have helped them make this decision

They had a great quote from Hali on the NFL Network. Someone had asked him if there was anything he likes more than sacking the QB. He said "sacking him again".

Not really. Based on all the different preferences expressed by Chiefs fans (who probably did more research on this than I have), I just thought there must not be one guy who stands out above all the others so I thought it would make sense to trade down. But the way it went down, I have to believe they got the guy they wanted and I'm OK with that. It's a position of need, it wasn't an incredible reach, and the team had other good options so this must have been their guy. I trust Carl.

Calling him a 3rd down DE makes him out to be a pass rush specialist. He's not. He can rush the passer, but he's good against the run too.

It could be worse. We could be drafting like the Bills...



(Sorry CntryGal)

You'd be bitching if they picked anyone besides who you thought they should have.

You really see us benching Hicks?

True but that is something that is fixable.

A very disappointing pick. I was holding my breath for Jimmy Williams.

Granted, the Chiefs usually do worse. At least this time there was speculation that Hali might sneak into the first round. The Chiefs managed to only reach by about 10-12 picks. Now we've got yet another defensive lineman.

Plus, it's really important to have 3 starting defensive ends. You really only need 1 good corner in today's NFL.

I think that was research Holmezz. Just not as much as you wanted. :)

thanks for the info though. that gives me a modicum of hope.

No, we'll need him to play corner.

If the Chiefs trade back up for Jimmy Williams I won't be quite as mad as I am now......

Sure, eventually.

BS..He was projected to be picked anywhere from 20-30.

No. Lawson, Williams, Holmes, Jackson, joseph would've been fine with me.

I'd have liked Carl to trade down, but maybe no one was willing......or maybe Carl and Herm were worried about him being taken. Either way, I think it's a solid, if unspectacular, player.

Have you not been paying attention to what Herm has been saying about playing younger players? He wants them on the field so this could be Hicks last year if he makes it thru camp.

Adios, Hicks.

Hey I wanted Jimmy Williams, but Hali is a darn good pick. Lawson is overrated IMO. Hali brought it everyweek in the Big Ten. We need another DE, he is the opposite of what Jared Allen does. Good pick and adding more talent to our defense.

Jimmy Williams is a nutcase. That said, I like him as a player.

Now when Eric Hicks is still starting this year everyone will wonder why this pick was bad.....

But a talented nutcase........and maybe then we can cut Greg Wesleys dumbass.

Maybe more like 20

Dave

The production as a pass rusher just hasn't been there. He needs to work on his pass rush moves to be more effective at getting to the quarterback. Experience is really the key for Hali. He still has a lot to learn about the game, overall, instead of strictly relying on his physical ability to help him make plays. While he did play two years at the defensive tackle position, he really didn't have the bulk or the strength to hold up at the position as a pro. He will still struggle even the even at the end position if a team decides to run right at him.

Despite his athleticism, Hali has limited pass rush moves. He makes more plays based on his ability to overpower college tackles and with his hustle. Hali also lacks the pure size to be a prime draft pick. When facing NFL sized tackles, he has shown the ability to be neutralized and taken out of plays.

Does not have great size and is a little on the short side...His timed speed is nothing to get excited about...Lacks a wide variety of pass rush moves...Has short arms and doesn't use his hands well...Can be engulfed by bigger offensive lineman and double teams...Made a lot of his plays rushing off the edge...Maxed out and probably doesn't have the frame to get much bigger than he already is.

Really my initial reaction is pretty much the same to that LJ pick. Not what I was expecting but it's a well coached, productive college player who is going to come out and bust his ass and work hard to get better. I like that. No complaints from me.

Plus I personally would rather have good DE's and iffy corners over good corners and iffy DE's. Even then, Herm has a pretty good track record of drafting DB's in the later rounds, I'd bet there are guys down the road here that he's got an eye on.

I love this pick! Can't wait to see Tamba Hali and Jared Allen lined up...two non-stop motors! Hopefully we can get another good DT in the draft.

For those that think we should have traded down...remember last time we traded down and ended up with Siavii's fat ass instead of Olshansky??

Why take the risk?

Hicks will probably be starting on day one no matter what player was picked.

by who?

He's not very strong and doesn't have a lot of experience. I'm just worried he'll end up like RKal-El whatever.

That's was part of DV's retiring, he'd only leave if Hicks was promised the starting spot.

Rick Gosselin picked him to be drafted by the Chiefs.

Remember Vermeil isnt here to kiss a$$ with players like Hicks. Edwards will probally show him the door.

I think you should hire someone to take out Hicks.....like Tonya Harding or something.

I wouldn't hold my breath on that one with the Hermster in da hizzle!

I'm sure you would know this because you worked out with him...

TAMBA HALI!!!

This is the guy I've wanted for the Chiefs all along. Would I have been happier to get him around pick 30 after a trade down? Of course. But I bet he would have been snatched before that.

before I read the thread,my thoughts:

Hali is everything Siavi isn't....produced at a big school at a big conference, and his work ethic is unqestioned....he has come from circumstances that make him humble and hungry....he is exactly the type of guy Herm told us he'd draft...

did we reach a little? yeah...

did we fill a position of need? yeah...

how good will he be? don't know...

I'm happy with this pick...he isn't a project and we didn't draft for "potential"....

no reason to be that upset, imho

I do not understand the whole "he was a reach, he should have gone 10 picks lower" mentality. If you do not have someone in that range to trade down with and it is a player/position you want, how is it a reach? If you don't "reach", you don't get the player you want. Just because the "experts" don't agree with the value, if it is what you need, it is a decent pick. :shrug: