Why is everyone freaking out over Roaf?
 

Lets start off by saying I personally think he was the most important person on the Offense other than the Backfield (Gonzo included). I'm not debating his importance.

That being said, why is everyone going nuts? Its not like freaking out and panicking is solving the problem. At this point its in the hands of the coaching staff. They have a MONTH AND A HALF to figure out who will be the most reasonable suitor, and consequently get a good system going.

Everything I've seen says synchronization with the other members of the O-line and also the backfield is the most important aspect of the performance of a lineman. Whoever replaces him will have all that time to learn the subtleties of Waters, Green, LJ and the other linemen as well. Its not going to be like it was last year when the player was thrown in to an offense with players he wasn't used to working with, or an offense which is designed around a pro-bowl tackle. Now we have time to make the necessary changes to work with this accordingly.

I'm not putting people down for freaking out. I just don't get it at all... It doesn't make sense so if someone can explain why you freak out (when it doesn't make the situation better), I would appreciate it.

Moooo

Roaf is gone! He's gone! Do you understand this? Gone! He's not going to be back! He won't be playing! Gone! My Super Bowl dreams are dead! Dead, I say! Roaf is gone! He's not hear any more! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

THE WORLD HAS COME TO AN END!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :banghead:

BARKBARKBARKBARKBARKBARKBARKBARK!

AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

BARKBARKBARKBARKBARKBARKBARKBARK! (GRRRRR, SNARL)

BARKBARKBARKBARKBARKBARKBARKBARKBARK!

"Its the end of the world as we know it...."

The same reason us Bronco fans freaked out when our O-Line started coming apart years ago. The O-Line is a team within the team. Having a truly superior O-Line depends on lots of variables and it's awesome to see it click. Losing an OT or a Center is huge. Losing a LT can ruin the O-Line altogether.

Moooo, you're new here, aren't you?

My opinion is people had unrealistic expectations to begin with then let them get completely out of hand when we signed Ty Law. They have now had it all come crashing back to reality with the Roaf retirement and their expectations are laying scattered among broken dreams.

Yes, but freaking out doesn't make the situation better.

What I find here is not exclusive to ChiefsPlanet. It seems to happen in a lot of places. I don't understand panic. Then again I'm not very emotional. I don't get a lot of funny things, or sad things or things like this as well...

Moooo

Yeah, freaking out about it doesn't help, but when you think you have a strength going into the season only to have that turned into a weakness on the opening day of Training Camp it forces you to re-evaluate your team. As I see Logical has already pointed out in his own way.

It still perplexes me. But then again, so does rap music, the number zero, and golf.

Moooo

What irritates me most is the timing of it...if he would have made up his mind earlier we may have been able to find a more adequate replacement. I guess we will just have to see what we have in Jordan Black or Turley whoever.

I think people panic at him leaving for the same reason they think that one player is going to cure whatever ails our defense.

let's see...

without roaf, we will have a shitty offensive line

(did you see the games without roaf? utterly pathetic. btw, we went 2-5 in those games - with our only wins coming against the faiders)

...so, with all the offseason LJ hype, defenses will aim to stop the running game

...and no running game hurts the defense.

...and the (2nd) most important player, Trent Green, probably won't last half the season with all the pressure he will now see.



no passing, no running, no defense.

why are we freaking out again?

I never said it wasn't an issue for concern, I asked why everyone is freaking out. It doesn't make Roaf come back, or Black or Turley play better.

Moooo

Yeah.

Oh How are we ever going to find someone to start there is just six weeks?

Is it too late to cancel the season?

Teams with lesser offensive lines have made it further than the Chiefs. Look at Pittsburgh. Seattle. San Diego. Indy.....I don't think any of them have or had as good of an O-Line as us.

:stupid:

word of advise: when listing teams that succeeded without great OLines, leave out the team that was thought of as the best

N00b :)

Why do all of the Japanese people run when Godzilla rises out of Tokyo Bay? It's not like they can get away from Godzilla. He's Godzilla, for crying out loud!

Whatever douche wad I don't think Seattle was the best.

They aren't running away from Godzilla so much as they are running to Rich Scanlon for protection.

and I feel fine.

I think we still have a way better than average O-Line.


We have a better than average center, a ProBowl Guard, and a Hall of Fame Guard. 3/5ths of our line is STACKED.

We have a potential pro-bowler with question marks in camp to play tackle, and a bevy of suitors to line up at the other spot. I think in the end we'll be at least AVERAGE at tackle.

We have a guy named DUNN, who is essentially as good as any decent tackle lining up at TE.

We also have one of the best offensive line coaches as our offensive coordinator. He's done nothing but churn out GREAT O-linemen since he got to KC back in the 90s.


Last year when Roaf went down, we lost a lot of games, but here are our averages in those games, and our points scored...

Week 2: Raiders (W)
Rushing: 125 yards
Passing: 237 yards
Points: 23
(very respectable numbers and a win)

Week 3: Donkeys (L)
Rushing: 74 yards
Passing: 221
Points: 10
(Denver scored 17 first quarter points, and we became one dimentional. We only attempted 22 runs, and threw the ball 44 times)

Week 4: Eagles (L)
Rushing: 144 yards
Passing: 221 yards
Points: 31
(By all rights, not having Roaf didn't cost us this game. We imploded after half time. We also threw 2 picks, lost 2 fumbles and our defense gave up HUGE plays).

Week 9: Raiders (W)
Rushing: 114
Passing: 235
Points: 27
(By the end of the game, our offense was as good as ever. We scored 3 TDs in our last 4 drives. Unfortunately our defense let the Faides score TDs on both of their last two possessions and the game was closer than it should have been).

Week 10: Buffalo (L)
Rushing: 150 yards
Passing: 220 yards
Points: 3
(Yuck. This is the game that everybody is afraid of. Trent was sacked 6 times and threw 3 BIG picks. We also missed two field goals and lost a fumble. We also couldn't convert a couple of 4th down tries late in the game. But we did manage to run for 150 yards, so I think we can chalk this one up to a bad day. It proves that even when we are out of cync, Larry can have a BIG day anyway).

Week 11: Texans (W)
Rushing: 226
Passing: 220
Points: 45
(Nobody remembers this game? Larry ran for over 200, and we marched up and down the field all day. Trent did not get sacked all day. We did throw one pick, but other than that, the day was flawless. A shining example of how this offense CAN work without Willie).


That's it. Roaf is listed as the starter for the rest of the games, and that includes losses against: San Diego, Dallas, and NY Giants...

Then you are one of a very small number.

Roaf was huge in that Eagles game. That was the game where Tony G. only had 2 catches for 5 yards and everybody including Tony threw a fit, because we needed extra blockers to pick up the Eagles blitz packages. If I remember correctly, Troy Aikman wouldn't shut up about it on the FOX broadcast.

I think we have a better than average offensive line, but there was a significant drop off without Roaf in there. We really didn't play anybody with Roaf hurt... those were supposed to be the easy games. The three wins we got without him were over teams with a combined 10-38 record. And our only two losses to teams with losing records game when he was out, Buffalo and Philly. Plus Trent only had like a 78 QB rating, etc. Just not very efficient.

We certainly have to do better... Roaf's a HOF'er but we can find a LT that played better than Black did last year, maybe Black himself will play better. I think it can be done, just not sure who is going to step up and get us there though. That's the scary part.

Mofos can't play forever. He would have missed some games this year too, maybe more than last year. Svitek and Turley are manning the position now, could be worse. Roaf was a bad man, but a title can be won without him, that has been proven..

PBJ

And you know what listo? Like Denver with RB's the Chiefs have a history of finding great Olinemen with lower rnd draftpicks and off other teams scrap heaps or molding one out of clay. :thumb:

So all is right with your world Jim. ROFL

As many people pointed out last week, one player is not going to make or break this team.

The operative word here people is TEAM.

I'm sure we are disappointed that Willie has decided to retire, but have you considered the fact that he might be doing so to give us a better chance to win? He might be hurting more than ever and knows deep in his soul that he cannot repeat his performances of the past.

Just throwing out something to consider.

Along another thought, there is far too much of a pessimistic outlook just as camp starts. With no known facts, other than Willie is retiring and camp is open some seem to have given up with the announcement. Wake up people, Willie is important but he was only one part of the equation.

Wrong

Yeah, we should all have the calm perspective of this guy:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=144468

:titus:

ROFL

You say you understand his importance on the Oline yet you're not freaking out?!?! Did you see how we performed on offense when Roaf was gone? His absence will take us out od the top 15 in offense, Trent's backside will get exposed and will lead to him getting injured, LJ won't have nearly as good of a season. We lost to the ****ing Bills last season because he was gone. We wont make the playoffs this season, I'm willing to bet on that. Our backups are Turley (if we switch him to LT), Jordan Black (everyone's nightmare), or Will Svitek (a project from NFLE where he was solid against sub-par talent). But hey, theres no reason to worry.

I understand that we wouldve had to go through this sooner or later, but we signed Ty Law and got some defensive players simply to have ONE last run for the SB. He also shouldve done this BEFORE the draft. We couldve drafted Eric Winston in the 2nd round instead of Benard Pollard which makes us look extremely reeruned now.

Well, at least you aren't panicking.

Shhhhh...

Seattle's line was pretty awesome. I don't think peter should have included it on his list.

Hell, Minn paid more to steal Hutch away from seattle than we pay for our entire line (minus roaf)!!!!

so basically you question/point really is...


"hey fans!! why do you feel anything towards your team when it really doesn't effect things anyway"



dumbassery at it's finest

outstanding .... you're my new hero :clap:

I've never understood these types of statements.

nothing like taking a statement completely out of context

nothing like playing coulda shoulda woulda to take reality out of context.

did you even read what he said?

he was making a point about how the timing of Roaf's retirement hurt us.

a point you also made yesterday

lets try quoting him with a little more context and see if the statement makes a little more sense.
if roaf retires earlier we could of adjusted the draft and been in a better position.

a completely reasonable opinion

Key word is IF. He didn't. Deal with it.

i see .... back your basic stance on everything chiefs related

fans need STFD and STFU ..... speak only when spoken to ... cheer during game day ... no opinions allowed.

damn you are such a friggin crybaby. Fans need to to be realistic and realize that what we couldv'e done is a waste of time. I think the reason why you and others do it is so you can just bitch for bitchings sake.

I never stated that losing Roaf hurt us.

We're DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED, I tell you.

Or perhaps not. :shrug:

It is what it is. A hell of a test for the new HC, and this team.

stevieray gets nasty in 3 .... 2 ... 1 ....



the absolute nature of his own position makes it a pretty mandatory response.

Could have. Then again, they could have and probably should have been prepared for this eventuality anway, or the fact that Roaf was becoming more and more of an injury risk. I don't put any of this on Roaf.

I tend to agree about the timing of the retirement. While I very much appreciate what Roaf has done for the Chiefs, I wish he would have retired before the draft so the Chiefs would've had a better idea of their needs. It may not have changed their decisions, but it may well have done so.

Marcus Allen did the same thing to the Chiefs, and it kind of ticked me off then, too.

i was just putting BSpimps comment back into context.


Roaf has earned his respect and the ability to leave the game how he chooses.

got nuttin by love for meatRoaf. :)

I am going to stick with the belief that Roaf wants no part of training camp, and is going to change his mind in the coming days/weeks.

Denile? Maybe.

Strikes me that the chiefs are gonna have an average O-line rather than the best or 2nd best or whatever.

They'll just need to improve in other areas.

The player has to look out for himself. Which is worse?

1. Announcing your retirement early, and then thinking "ah what the heck" and coming back after the Chiefs take a 1st or 2nd round tackle, when we REALLY needed defensive help.

2. Announcing right before training camp that you're just not up to the task, and you're going to retire.

I never said that his opinion was wrong, or that he didn't have the right to it, just that I've never understood those kinds of comments...if anyone took a statement out context, it was you.

Ironic that the absolute nature of your position makes it a pretty mandatory response.

I believe that Willie was hoping to play, his body just didn't recover in time.

That's precisely what happened, IMO.

I agree with both you and Stevie. Does not make the teams situation any less desperate, you don't lose both OTs in the same offseason and not expect a precipitous drop-off in offense especially when one of your three remaining o-lineman is so long in the tooth that he showed a major drop off last year for almost half the season.

Dude, we had a whole season last year to try and figure out what to do when Roaf wasn't on the field. They came up w/nuttin! Tony G had to help block and it took our #2 receiver completely away. He had 2 TDs because Roaf was hurt. It cost us a playoff spot and possible SB. Yeah, I'd say this is a pretty damn big deal. They just went from 11 wins to 7 or 8 with this retirement.

Can u say "rebuilding"?

Of course the good thing is we can't perform Martyball now and will pass more like the
Al Saunders offense. Good thing we have a good core of WR's to throw to...oops!

Solari had a Q&A today. He said it's the same offense.

I'll post it.

Enter Mike Solari. Nobody knows this oline better than he does, and he's already proven himself. It's hard for me to beleive that as the OC, he won't continue to keep this Oline going in the right direction, or not put the best players he has on the field.

I do wonder how WS feels now, and where his level of play will be. Wasn't there a story awhile back about WR talking WS into staying another year?

I agree he will put the best players on the field, but from what I have seen of them in backup roles and the last two preseasons, there was no real depth at OT on this team.

I do believe that there was a story that Roaf helped talk Shields into staying. A really scary thought is that Shields will now decide to go ahead and retire.