If Tony G's numbers are going down , why sign him to a big contract ???
 

It's going to go down just like Jerome Woods.

His athleticism is dwindling.

He does a lot more than just catch passes. When he does, he's still one of the best in the game at it.

My interest in this thread is dwindling.

His numbers are down because of Saunders' play calling last year, not because his talent it diminishing. He had plenty of receptions last year, just not TD's. Tight ends can play longer than many other positions (look at Shannon Sharpe). I think we should give him the contract he wants.

:LOL:

Were his numbers down because he all of a sudden sucks? Or maybe because:
- Saunders play calling went away from him in the red zone.
- We had a runner who scored quite a few times from outside 20 yards.
- For quite a few games he had to play assistant left tackle, to make up for the lack of a proven guy.

History says when you hit a certain age near 30 as a player you fall off the cliff.

Go ahead and doubt.

Where is your proof that players get better when they get older.

This stinks of the Jerome Woods deal.

Philly cuts players after a certain age. Works for them.

No, he's clearly lost his second-level burst.

Tight Ends are different. Shannon Sharpe had 62 catches and 8 TDs in his 14th season, and we have every reason to believe TonyG can do the same.

When did the Eagles release their HOF Tight End?

Who thinks his skills are going down???

He had a off year because of playcalling and injuries to other players..

At this point he deserves another big contract to keep him with the team for another 5 years...

By the way, TonyG had 78 catches last season, which was his third best total in his career. The only reason you might think he's slowing down is his TD total, but Sully already exlpained why that saw a drop-off last season.

Yeah, Trent Green has sucked ass since he turned 30. Eddie Kennison has been terrible too, setting career-highs and everything. Hell, we should cut Pat Surtain and Ty Law. They're both WAY too old. Willie Roaf should stay retired, he nor Will Shields can make the probowl anymore since they're over 30.

Please don't ever compare Jerome Woods to Tony Gonzalez. It is one of the MOST rediculous comparisons ever. Your and idiot.

This is what happens when ree rees get a hold of the computer

Indeed. My reaction as well.

How can anyone say that Tony sucks now? OR even that his athleticism has dropped off? That's nutso...

Why sign him to a big contract?

Because he has a mere 6 TDs, 2250 Yards, and 167 Catches less than what Sharpe had... and if he plays as long as Sharpe did, at least another five years to work on surpassing (demolishing) that...

Dwindling athleticism... :doh!:

I'll take TG at 80% over most TE's in the league.

I understand where Chief2000 is coming from.

Tony's skills haven't dropped much yet, but they will. Every player declines in his 30's - it's a fact of football life.

You know Tony is going to want to be the highest paid TE. He's been a great TE, he can still put up excellent numbers. The question is, is spending all that money on him the best idea since: (a) he's a TE, (b) his skills will be declining, and (c) Herms' ball control offense may downplay the pass attempts and balls going to TG or any TE.

Would the money spent on TE be better spent on other positions - revamping the OL, DT, WR with younger players.

This has been addressed several times already in this thread. Declining in your 30's is not a universal truth in football. For certain positions it is (especially RB's), but for TE's it is certainly not true. Also, look at our offensive line and our quarterback. They do not get worse as they get older. Certain positions in the NFL do, but not everyone, so there is no reason to think TonyG won't still be one of the best tight ends in the league a few years from now.

Since 1998 (won't count '97, since Marty didn't really use him as a go-to guy over that superstar Popson), Tony has basically been the sole reason why we haven't needed to go out and get a "true #1" receiver and why the offense has survived failed experiments with Brock Middl...er... Andre Rison, Johnnie Morton, etc.

Yes, every player eventually declines in his 30's, but the rate of decline depends on the invidual player. Tony has yet to show any true signs of decline (78 for 905 last year, just after a 102 for 1258 season).

He's a TE, but he's not just a TE--he's an important cog in the offensive machine. He's worth the money...

At the price he wants , no way.

Who are all these great Tightends in their 30's ?

I guarantee you they are more role players who are 3rd option.

Not burner types like Shanon or Tony G used to be.

Don't you think Sharpe was the exception to the rule?

I disagree about the OL. Roaf and Shields regressed a bit last year. Green is still playing well, in large part because of the superior OL the last 5 years. When the line was banged up Green didn't look nearly as good.

Again, it's a matter of cost effectiveness. Is it better to have the highest paid TE or investing that money in other positions? I don't know the answer, but having the best TE hasn't won a playoff game yet for KC.

I really don't understand why you think tony has lost anything. He had 78 receptions last season! Also, he has publicly said he doesn't want to break the bank. He just wants to retire a Chief and help us get to the Super Bowl, which means leaving enough money for us to sign other players. I see absolutely no reason at all to worry about TonyG. I'd worry more about how we'll keep LJ.

Sharpe set a standard and I see no reason why Tony can't exceed that. See my above post about the cost of re-signing TonyG.

ROFL

Nice rebuttal. :bravo:

This thread has a high comedic value.

Only thing that will suck about Tony's new contract, when he gets it.

IS idiots like the 49ers and what they paid to Vernon Davis :banghead:

Davis was like the 6th pick obviously he's going to get paid that's just how it is. Do you think they should have not taken Davis that high because of the position he plays?

In all honesty if you look at TE numbers after 30.......Shannon Sharpe is an exception not the rule. Generally the only offensive positions where players continue to play well after 30 are Oline and QB.

Sharpe might be an exception, but why should we think TonyG won't be the same way? Can there only be one exception? He has matched Sharpe throughout his career, and he'll continue to do so.

I think there are some exceptions you should make for players who are 30 when resigning them, even the Eagles who rarely keep old players kept Brian Dawkins. But as a general rule, I think keeping players once they're approaching 30 is a bad idea and more often than not it will burn you.

It's a little different when the guy is one of the best players at his position though.

Tony Gonzales has never won a playoff game.

You can't blame him for that.

I blame halfcan for it.

Tony dropped a lot of passes last year, and he could decline physically.

but tight ends are not that expensive, especially for a future HOFer

and he keeps himself in better shape than most, we're not talking about ryan sims here

a case could be made that we never should of pay a tightend like a wr in the first place.


people keep complaining about a weakness at wide receiver .......... well :shrug:

This is also the team that in 6 years hasn't valued WR enough to take one in the first 2 rounds.......Apparently guys like Junior Siavii, Kris Wilson and so forth are better to have than a WR.

If the bonus money can be negotiated, we can contract a salary and if he ain't producing cut him. Come on, TG has been the reason we could get along without a true no 1 WR as stated above. He blocks well and the guy is hungry for the ring. Wait to see what the signing is about before gassing the deal.

i guess they just really consider their wr's to be

Gonzo #1
kennison #2
parker #3


you don't need to draft a wide receiver in the 1st round if you just looking to fill the #4 slot.

if he is so hungry for a ring then why does he spend his offseason learning spanish and cooking ... then his training camp on the sidelines like he's been around 13 years(roaf,shields)


gonzo is good ... but he's been pretty content about his level of play for several years.

I hope that idea changes, I think Herm looks at our WR's and thinks "wow these guys suck" alot more than Vermiel and Saunders would have.....they seemed to enjoy having scrubs out there because they liked them.

He still has a value as the national face of the team, as well, being in all the NFL and United Way ads and maybe the most recognizable face on the team. It's an intrinsic value you have to pay for. He's also one of the few home-grown talents we have, and I think we should make an effort to have him here his entire career, a la Will Shields. He's going to be a hall of famer, in all likelihood, unless he completely drops off the map and I think it would be nice to have him here the entire time if at all possible, especially in the salary cap era.

JMO.

And his numbers haven't declined so much as they've been spread around to other people, because the overall output of the offense hasn't declined. He could well have a career year if his foot's at all healthy and Solari really is focusing on running plays that he likes to get him the ball, both in and out of the scoring zone. I don't expect (or want) a career high in either catches (more than 102 would be nuts) or yards (1200+ is a ton...) but I don't think approaching a career high in TDs would be out of the realm of possibility.

his yards would be a lot better if he could get some RAC yards, Gonzalez is just not that fast of a runner, he basically catches the ball and gets tackled.

What price does Tony want for his next contract? I need a link to this.

Tony G.. is still the best in the business..his catches were down last year because they used him to block most of their short yardage plays go around the ends thus he blocks...plus the right side is weak... BOOG OUTT....

don't forget Joe Montana and James Hasty