Lions release Rogers
 

LIONS RELEASE ROGERS

The Detroit Lions have parted ways with receiver Charles Rogers, the No. 2 overall pick in the 2003 draft.

Rogers missed most of his first two seasons due to broken collar bones, and was ineffective in 2004, during which he was suspended four games for violation of the league's substance abuse policy. After the suspension, the team filed a grievance against Rogers for recovery of bonus money. The grievance is still pending.

Prior to the 2003 draft, there were reports that Rogers had generated a positive drug test due to a diluted urine sample. The news didn't deter the Lions and team president Matt Millen.

Other cuts include veteran running back Artose Pinner, linebacker James Davis, and rookie sixth-round CB Dee McCann.

He would probably kick ass on another team. The Lions have had no continuity in leadership and Millen leads the nutballs.

I cant believe Millen is still employed..he is clueless..

Miranelli will be his last hire..

I think Jeff Webb has more to offer than Rogers at this point and time. That being said, some team will probably take a shot at Rogers and he could do some good things. Either way he is still a head-case.

I think you've smoked more weed than Rogers to really believe that....

Either that or BigVE is Jeff Webb's mother or his agent.

While I agree with the point you're making, I've come to the conclusion that you're looking for a supplier.

ROFL..........if we had good WR's I wouldn't want to pick him up. But we have a pretty dire need at WR right now if anyone goes down we legit have no one to play. When you are in our position you have to reach out and take a risk sometimes. If Rogers worked out here and lived up to what he was suppose to be it would look like a great move, if he doesn't then you just move on from him after the year. The reward outweighs the risk with this team.

I didn't even think of Rogers as a potential supplier.

You have a propensity to accuse idiots of smoking weed, or crack.

I just thought you were hoping that someone would respond, "Yes I have. Do you need some?".

I only said it because people like to bring up Rogers weed suspension so I was playing off the thread being about him.

I got that.

I was just making an observation.

I just noticed the trend, and found it humorous.

In most cases, I've been in agreement with you when you've suggested someone has been smoking something.

I'll be shocked if we don't make a run for Rodgers. He's a perfect Herm-style, high-risk, high-reward, "I can rebuild him" reclaimation project at a position of pretty desperate need. He's also spent the entire offseason learning our offense under Martz.

Good point.

I hadn't even thought of that.

There may be some debate on how much he actually learned.

Apparently at least part of the problem is that Rogers isn't smart enough to pick the offense up. The article I read had somebody from the team basically saying that he's dumber than a bag of hammers.

LOL! That's impossible

WRONG - he hasn't learned anything and that's why he is being cut. Charles Rogers is just another kid who would rather hang wit his boyz and smoke dope all day than actually try to live up to his potential. The offense we runs, or at least the Mike Martz Offense requires the WR's to have and use, their brains for good. Charles was lazy in college and he's been lazy in the NFL as well. His conditioning sucks, he's got a shitty work ethic and he is not going to0 do shit in the NFL, Hello Koren Robinson.

What this team is figuing out is that Caoch Steve wasn't the entire problem. Joey, gone - Charles, Gone. Those are just two of the same people Steve tried to get rid of while he was there. Dumb**** Millen just can't admit he is wrong, so he cans Steve and brings in a guy to do the dirty work he couldn't.

Thank you

It is worth giving him a shot though..the worst thing that happens is he gets cut..

I agree with the character end though..this guy needs a maturity protein drink immediately..

I think that our WR's are underachieving,enough as it is without bring in a bad influence. I saw enough of this guy in college when I lived in ann Arbor, watching him play every week and hearing about his issues, I just don't want him on the Chiefs.

And maybe his release is just the wake up call he needed.

I'll disagree with a few things you said.....if Charles Rogers was a lazy college player I doubt he'd have put up the mind boggling stats he did all while playing with no one else around him. Cmon he put up like 1500 yards and had what was it 18 straight games with a TD catch playin with f'n Jeff Smoker.

Koren Robinson has actually had productive years in the NFL.......he's an alcoholic, that's his problem.

Like I said if we had good WR's we could cherry pick fact is we don't, we're in a really bad spot if anyone gets hurt, we literally don't have another WR who can start.

I think mike bennett was the exciting O signing of the year. Enough to sell the rest of the season tickets. No way carl gets this done unless there are some 2 packs left that are unsold

you are right!!!

herm would be the wrong coach for him..

he would have to land in new england/dallas to turn it around..

he would need a no nonsense proven winning coach to see the light..

My opinion is that it depends on how many WRs we carry on the roster.

If we carry 5, I'd consider Rogers over Hannon. But if we only carry 4, I don't want to expose Webb to waivers.

The other problem is that we don't really use a 4 WR set because Gonzo is always our 4th WR. So wee need our backup WRs to be STs contributors, and there's no way that Rogers would be useful on STs.

I'm sure teams will clammer to add Jeff Webb......he made a few nice catches in the last preseason game before that he looked like complete ass.

You may be right. Maybe no one will want him. But that's what we thought with Lilja and he's gone now.

I just don't have a lot of faith in Rogers' ability to straighten his act up, and I don't think he's worth the risk to lose our #4 guy.

Well that's where we differ.....I think Rogers is much more talented with still a much greater upside. When you have the piss poor WR situation the Chiefs have had since I've been alive basically and you have a chance to add a guy who was the #2 overall pick and would have gone top 5 even if the Lions hadn't picked him, and you can add him for peanuts you should probably take that chance.

I'd be interested in seeing the Chiefs work him out. See what Charlie Joiner and company thinks. If he does seem to have a bad attitude or slow at picking things up, don't sign him, no big loss. He probably would come cheap, that makes it a lot more attractive than trading draft picks for someone like Stallworth. If he looks terrible, don't sign him. I wouldn't mind see us get someone who can at least mix it up with Dante for the 3rd WR spot. Maybe Webb can be that guy. I'm not really bothered either way about it.

All I know is if Eddie Kennison or Samie Parker gets hurt we are completely screwed.

eh if kennison or parker gets hurt damn we probably don't make it to 8 wins. Better draft pick

Carl said on the radio they are keeping 5 wrs but he didnt obviously say which ones. Im thinking Kennison, Parker, Hall, Webb, and Hannon.

I say bring in Rogers I don't think he could hurt anything.

Webb and Hannon would be so blah......they better be signing someone if it's 5.

What's the obsession with signing a WR who has only shown he has serious substance abuse issues through college and the pros?

Oh, and that he has very brittle collarbones.

Yeah, a lazy pothead. That's just what this offense needs. No thanks. I'd rather take a chance with what we've got than a WR with "upside" like that.

Not to mention jspchief's point that the guy's IQ is measured in low double digits.

Charles Rogers<=Todd Marinovich

which would be better ..... claim rogers off of waivers to keep him locked into current contract and force the lions to eat the signing bonus immediately

or

have to worry about signing him as a regular free agent?

Option C- Forget about signing this turd.

Once again I ask...have you seen the WR's on this team? Like I said every player cut this time of year is going to have an issue but with our team Rogers is worth the risk. If you honestly would rather have Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon than Charles Rogers, don't turn around and bitch that we don't have any WR depth or haven't had a #1 WR in 30 years, because this kind of attitude is part of that reason.

By the way his collarbone he broke twice has a steel plate over it now after the surgery he had so that is a moot point now I seriously doubt it will ever be broken again.

He's a better turd than our turds......seriously Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon...did you not watch preseason games?

I'm sure he's awesome. Just look a what he did in college.

Sincerely,
Ryan Leaf

so you don't think that Rogers is better than Nate curry?

I think Nate Curry is less likely to break a collarbone or get suspended for smoking pot.

We apparently have the best WR's in the league and don't need to add anyone...... :rolleyes:

This board has a real knack for falling in love with guys who are never will be's in the NFL. Chris Horn and Marc Boerigter have been replaced with Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon this year. And next year they'll be a couple more.

He has STEEL PLATE over his collarbone.....he's less likely to break that than just about anyone right now.

I agree. What is this fascination with proven failures like Charles Rogers?

WTF has Charles Rogers done in the NFL to make the Chiefs want him?

He's played 14 out of a possible 48 games. He's caught 36 passes in 3 years. He's been busted for smoking pot and was suspected to be smoking pot just before the draft.

What the hell is the selling point? The guy is a ****up and a bust? What he did in college is irrelevant at this point. If that's the basis for signing him, we should get Tony fucking Mandarich too.

Not at all. Of course our WR's could use an upgrade. So could the WR corps of at least 2/3 or more of the NFL. I just see no reason to take a chance on a proven turd like this. (knob) Polish this guy all you want, he's still a waste of space on a depth chart.

Yeah, our WR's are so horrible and unworkable that we've only passed for 4000+ yards or so a season recently.

He won't get hurt again because he has a bionic collarbone? I think you've been raiding Charlie's stash. :rolleyes:.

Apparently you like the lazy, moronic pothead. I don't. :shrug:

BTW- What "talent" has this guy proven at the NFL level? Other than for riding the IR list, that is?

Yes, but I still fail to see how a good player in college automatically translates to a fantastic player in the NFL. Because Chris Horn AND Boe have both done more in the NFL than Rogers has in 3 years.

If you really want to add Charles Rogers to that ever-growing list of overrated former first-rounders that the Chiefs have a tendency to acquire, then fine by me. As far as I'm concerned though, Rogers will be nothing more than another Troy Edwards.

Cheap talent for a position we lack talent at.....obviously the natural talent is there maybe a change of scenery and we're the team that turns him around. Just because he didn't work out in Detroit doesn't mean he won't work out here. If I'm taking a chance I'd rather do it on him a guy with the natural talent to get it done that needs some coaching and a change than a guy who just flat doesn't have the talent to play in the NFL.

Just saying by this logic Eddie Kennison should have been out of the league 6 years ago and never played here.

I'm not even going to sarcastically say, "SIGN HIM CARL!!!!!!!!"

I want nothing to do with Rogers.

Then Eddie Kennison should have never been signed by this team......you guys are awfully quick to dismiss him as a failure that will never turn it around.

It's a CHEAP risk with a possible high return. If he doesn't work out he's gone after the year, I don't see how this is a bad move at all. What's the downside you don't give him big money and move on if it doesn't work out. If it does we stole a WR without having to draft one.

Then according to Mecca, you're exactly what's wrong with the Chiefs fanbase these days. If you were head coach, we'd still have Brian Shay and JJ Moses on this team

Those guys had 0 talent......smacking up huge numbers against guys who get cut doesn't impress me. So I don't exactly know how that has much to do with what I say.

Clearly he's the answer if you have crappy WRs.

Sincerely,
Scott Vines, Mike Furrey, and Shaun Bodiford (receivers the Lions kept over Rogers)

Yeah. Right. A WR who was in a dispute with his coach over not being around during a serious family issue is the same thing as being a lazy WR with years of proven substance abuse issues.

I could care less if the guy smokes pot, crack, or pole on his own time. However, he's in a role where it affects others on his team. I don't want him anywhere near the Chiefs. Bad attitudes are infectious. Exhibit A- The last years of Marty in KC.

You're goddamned right I would! And you'd love me for it!

Rogers could help us at WR..If we could get him cheap,give him a shot...BOOG....

Some players will never work out in certain places.....their new coach is trying to establish his tough guy schtich and Rogers is pretty much a symbol of the last staffs failure. That doesn't mean he won't be able to contribute for another team.

MIKE FURREY 4 LYFE

GO OUTLAWS

Yet you seem positive it means that he would.
ROFL

While we're at it, we can get Todd (sorry dad, I prefer bong hits) Marinovich in here.

Uhh... I was referring to Psi.

You've been eating too many babies it looks like

Eddie Kennison was a severe underachiever that had played for 3 teams...considered a first round bust and angered the players in Denver so much they told Shanahan they didn't want him back. If a player had left this team like Kennison did that one you'd be pissed off too. Not saying he's a bad guy but he had major issues too and he turned it around here. I'm simply saying maybe we could do the same with Rogers when we do lack WR's.

Yea, like in the NFL

Like I said if it doesn't work out you let him go after the year no harm no foul. It's not like he's going to get any money. You guys are pretty comfortable with position we have 0 depth at.

Says the guy with Brodie Croyle in his Av....

I'm simply saying that Rogers hasn't shown a damn thing to make me believe he's worth any effort on the part of this team.

"Potential" ≠ Depth.

Don't worry, in three years if Croyle is as big a bust as Rogers, I'll take him down.

I think we can probably go a few years before we compare Croyle with maximum bust Rogers. And even then, they won't be comparable.

That's why he's being cut this time of year.......good players don't just get arbitrally cut a guy cut right now is going to have issues. That's how it is but some guys the risk is worth taking. If he had shown what he was suppose to be he wouldn't be getting cut. I'm sure some team will cut that Pro Bowl WR that will play for no money and has no issues that we can sign today huh :rolleyes:

I'm all for it. That would make for some interesting press conferences.

Kloster: Are you planning to make some additions?

Psiultracosis: NO! Our roster is set! SHUT THE HELL UP ATHAN LICKER!

Merrill: What do you think of your roster?

Psicosis Peanut: I'll tell you what I think, I CAN'T EDIT ANY-DAMN-BODY! I tried sticking my finger up William Bartee's colon, but there was no editing equipment in there! WHAT THE ****! I don't know what this bag of feces crap roster Carl gave me is, but I don't like it. Bartee is an 82! 82! Who the **** came up with that?

Teicher: Exc..excuse me? Are you sure you don't have the real team mixed up with your Madden team?

Psicosymatic Ultra Lite: I DON'T KNOW ANYMORE! IT ALL RUNS TOGETHER! WE HAVE PRACTICE! THEN I GO TO FAKE VIDEO GAME PRACTICE, AND THEN BACK TO PRACTICE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO'S REAL ANYMORE! ARGGGH!

I'd be much more comfortable addressing 0 depth with a guy that averages 5 games per year. Now that's some quality insurance.

Again, you show you don't get my position on this. No one is suggesting that Andre or Chad Johnson is going to be cut so they could be signed by KC. I'm saying that even ignoring his "issues", Rogers hasn't shown me a damn thing in years to make me think he's an upgrade from what we've got on the roster. Yeah, he was great in college. So were Ryan Sims and Ryan Leaf. Hell, Joey Harrington was good in college. Bravo Foxtrot Delta.

ROFL ROFL :clap:

"Potential" ≠ Depth.

Have you... have you been spying on me?

Not only did Rogers not show anything in past years, (somewhat understandable given the Lions offensive woes) he obviously didn't show anything to the entirely new coaching staff.....

If this guy had ANY potential (or maybe a better attitude) Martz would be sucking him off on a daily basis.

Detroit's offensive philosophy has done/will do a 180, which would seem to favor Rogers. Instead, he gets a pink slip.

I think it says a lot when Mike Martz decides that Mike Furrey > Charles Rogers........

Mike Furrey played for Martz in St Louis......

Who cares? What did he do 4 years ago in college? That's all that really matters.

Yes indeed.
It appears Mecca is holding down that job right now. :p (I kid, I kid..)
You got it. The man was an idiot as an HC, but is a decent offensive coordinator.
ROFL

Rogers = The Ryan Sims of offense.

Alright you'd rather have Chris Hannon than Charles Rogers......I'll mark that down.

No, I've actually seen Ryan Sims make a play or two since college.

Ohhhh....I'm on "the list!" <cue ominous NFL films music>

No, I'd rather have Andre Johnson. But that isn't going to happen. Hence, I'll take what we've got over Charles "don't bogart me" Rogers.