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Roster notes from WPI per Phobia
http://mb14.scout.com/fchiefsinsider...ID=14314.topic
The Chiefs have changed the 3:00 press conference to 5:00. Jeff Webb has made the final roster which means one (or more) of Curry, McIntyre, and Hannan are toast. Roaf added to Reserve Did Not Report list at 3:00. The Chiefs are serious about Charles Rogers. My own opinion is that he'll be snatched up off waivers if the Chiefs want him. Nuge thinks the Chiefs will wait until after he clears waivers. That's all we have at this moment. |
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW.../transjuly.htm
according to this Roaf was added to that list over a month ago. |
So, basically, we still don't know shit.
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This is the most current list, but still nothing about the Chiefs...
Saturday's NFL Transactions September 2, 2006 National Football League CINCINNATI BENGALS-- Placed RB Chris Perry, DE Jonathan Fanene and OT Adam Kieft on the physically-unable-to-perform list. Waived WR Reggie McNeal, TE Darnell Sanders, WR P.K. Sam, TE Ronnie Ghent, OT Pete Lougheed, G Kyle Takavitz, C Ben Wilkerson, S John Busing, RB DeDe Dorsey, DE Eric Henderson, WR Glenn Holt, TE David Jones, G Nate Livings, FB Chris Manderino and FB Naufahu Tahi. Placed CB Patrick Body, WR Bennie Brazell and DT Marcus Lewis on injured reserve. CLEVELAND BROWNS-- Acquired C Hank Fraley from Philadelphia for a 2008 conditional draft pick. Waived DL Darrell Campbell, OL Jonathan Dunn, DB Therrian Fontenot, QB Darrell Hackney, OL Andrew Hoffman, LB Justin Kurpeikis, FB Corey McIntyre, WR Kendrick Mosley, DL Babatunde Oshinowo, TE John Owens, DB Andrew Pace, DB Jereme Perry, LB Nick Speegle, RB Lee Suggs and OL Dave Youanovits. Terminated the contracts of DB Pete Hunter, WR Frisman Jackson and OL Ross Tucker. Placed OL Alonzo Ephraim and DB Daven Holly on reserve/suspended by commissioner. Placed LB Clifton Smith on waived/injured reserve. Placed RB William Green on injured reserve. DENVER BRONCOS-- Released RB Ron Dayne, OL Dwayne Carswell and WR Darius Watts. DETROIT LIONS-- Released OT Kelly Butler, LB James Davis, S Marcus Demps, WR Devale Ellis, DT Damian Gregory, C Brock Gutierrez, LB James Hargrave, DE Claude Harriott, CB LaMarcus Hicks, WR Glenn Martinez, G Fred Matua, CB Dee McCann, DT Lynn McGruder, TE Sean McHugh, DE Marcus Parker, TE Dave Pearson, DT Cleveland Pinkney, RB Artose Pinner, WR Charles Rogers, CB Harrison Smith and OT Clint Stickdorn. HOUSTON TEXANS-- Placed RB Domanick Davis on injured reserve. Released DT Seth Wand. MINNESOTA VIKINGS-- Signed WR Todd Pinkston. Placed CB Dovonte Edwards on injured reserve. OAKLAND RAIDERS-- Traded WR Doug Gabriel to New England for future considerations. PITTSBURGH STEELERS-- Released QB Omar Jacobs, QB Shane Boyd, P Mike Barr, OL Tim Brown, OL Brandon Torrey, TE Charles Davis, TE Jon Dekker, DE Orien Harris, DE Shaun Nua, DE Lee Vickers, RB Cedric Humes, FB Branden Joe, FB John Kuhn, S Mike Lorello, CB Anthony Madison, WR Lee Mays, DT Scott Paxson, LB Richard Seigler, LB Ron Stanley and WR Walter Young. ST. LOUIS RAMS-- Released RB Moe Williams, QB Dave Ragone, TE Jerome Collins, CB DeJuan Groce, DT Brian Howard, DT Tim Sandidge, LB Tim McGarigle, G Tony Palmer, RB Fred Russell and WR Dominique Thompson. Updated on Saturday, Sep 2, 2006 5:30 pm EDT |
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It's great. I don't even have to subscribe to WPI or even visit it. I can get all of their info here without going anywhere.
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Consistancy is the key! |
It's pretty apparent the Chiefs are going to sign a WR when they kept both Webb and Hannon.
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He and Welbourn were both put on Reserve Did not Report the first day or so of camp. Welbourn must have been cut since he is not even on the roster like he was. Nothing matters with Roaf unless they move him to the Reserve Retired list and they have until week 10 for that. I doubt he comes back anyway. the profootballweekly transactions keep track of everything like Pup players beginning camp when they pass their physicals to come off of PUP. Like the first cut we said we just waived WR Scott Mcready. They have him on IR so there must be an injury settlement negotiated. Hell, even Gabrial Helms was not listed on the roster at the team site but on the PFW they list him on NFLEL/IR yet. No biggie, too many lists to keep track off. Kinda interesting to keep up with though. KCchiefs.com hasn't even put photos in all of the players bios yet. |
Yeah? I printed off the roster earlier today and the reserve did not report field was empty. Then later in the day he showed up. I guess I didn't pay close attention until today.
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Yep, I remember from reading some posts over at WPI after the first cuts to 75. In the sticky that Nick started he stated that we were at 77 and needed to make 2 more moves before we got down to the limit by 3pm the next day.
Later that evening when I printed them off, Welbourn was not on the roster, thus he was either released or placed on reserve retired ( if he did that they didn't make a spot for it on the roster, he was just gone, not sure what's official there) and Roaf was at the bottom on RDNR with the 2 pup guys. Maybe they were redoing it today when you looked to add the IR guys with Browning and Hodge. |
Nah - this was at 3:00. They didn't update anything else for a couple hours. It's strange. Could be a cache glitch on my 'puter or something on their end. They sure tricked me though.
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That whole site is strange. I know they are trying with upgrades and such but it just seems like they don't get all the financial backing they need.
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Cache ???? any query you do is live for refresh an existing result set.
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Say Phil,
I got some things I'm wondering about the roster being set and how much change we might look into. Might make for some good traffic if the staff there wanted to look into some of it. Any interest? |
Well how WPI works?????
in computer technology in general if your make a query to their database the result set you get is current as of that time..... just like getting your bank balance or what ever. |
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I'm probably going down shortly so feel free to drop me a PM to elaborate. We're always interested in another perspective at Warpaint. |
Nothing with publishing.
Just a fan's point of view. Maybe you guys can look into some of it for discussion and answers. I'll just post it here on this thread and you can gather it in the AM. |
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Pretty much from the start of camp up until the final cuts, there has been speculation of surprise cuts among the vets. Herm himself said there would be suprsises. Even from Nick on your latest podcast of trades of us trading away and possibly trading for player(s).
Realistically for me these areas where QB Huard, OL Bober, DL Siavii, Hicks, Browning LB Bell and One of the 2 safties of Knight or Wesley. I realize not all of these players were going to lose their roster spots this year. But i bet there was plenty of discussion internally about all of them. Huard: He looked much better in the Saints game. Croyles injury gave up any possiblity of him pushing for the #2 job. To me the way they have gone is the only choice to make. If Printers clears waivers and goes to the PS that's a bonus. If not I think we have our QBOTF in Croyle. Still Huard's Inconsistancies leave little to be desired. Any truth that we are actually interested in Drew Henson? When he was cut that was the rumor. Could just be his agent trying to garner interest. Bober: He looked awful at G and I'd be shocked if Black or even Niswanger were not ahead of him on game day as a injury fill in. His play at C was adequate but IMO did not out play Niswanger at the positioin. He is the utility lineman but he didn't even get any reps at RT that I am aware of. The title of utility lineman is nice but the production from him this camp was pathetic. Is this not a total waste of a roster spot? Are they looking at trading or releasing him? They could use that spot for another OT IMO. Black is an UFA next year and is likely a replacement at G if he resigns. With Sampson's struggles in pass protection and his size at 6-4 312 it's almost a mirror image of Black with his future at G as well. Bringing back Parquet or taking a look at Wayne Hunter who the Jags released might be a good idea for the future and depth of the oline instead of holding onto Bober. Siavii, that was obvious and I am glad it happened. Not really surprised on Hall either as his cap hit was nothing with his Vet minimum contract for 1 yr. What's the deal on Browning? I know he is on IR. Will they try an injury settlement and then release him when healthy? How would this affect the cap? Bell I thought could have been cut. With the lack of depth at DE he might come in handy there though. And with the 4-4 goaline/short yardage and 3-4 and falcon sets we could get the most out of his talents there. Big ? is will they start Fox in the base Cover 2? That's a pretty big debate IMO. If anyone one our roster who we could afford to lose had any trade value it is Wesley IMO. He's a ballhawk that gets 5 plus turnovers a year and they have pimped him as being very improved. The problem there is starting Knight with Pollard which would be asking for trouble. Or starting both rooks and having Knight back them both up. More likely I wouldn't have been surprised to see Knight outright cut and starting Pollard. We could have found a 4th S like Donte Nicholson for special teams and had Page back up both S spots. Then the big one is the mystery that is Eric Hicks. Nobody seems to be able to explain this. We could say there is no one else that is can replace him on the open market. Mike Haynes might change that or Dequincy Scott. The problem is he is obviously not healthy and not in football shape from his poor preseason. The guy really doe not fit the cover 2 and not really even any of the 3-4 stuff we would run. We no longer have a need for his so called leadership. Hali has been very good about the as a young pup and this is Allen's defense. Not to mention Mitchell and the vets at CB. My only conclusion is his cap # being too much to release him. Why not put him on IR like Browning. Solves that problem. Here's a quote from herm from the 8-29 Q/A: Q: Have you ever let a guy go who worked his heart out and did everything he was asked but just didn’t get the job done, only to keep a guy that you didn’t think worked very hard but who had a lot more talent? EDWARDS: “You know this is a business and sometimes you’re faced with situations that economically you can’t do. I’ll leave it at that. You understand that as the head coach and you have to do what’s best for the organization. Sometimes economics play a factor now and you hope that players you may have to keep you get the best out of them.” Maybe that answers it. Please check into this one. As I see it we might add a DE and or WR. How that effects the other spots only time will tell if it happens. One more point to note is the lack of a backup FB and Cruz being banged up. Listening to Herm on the pregame before the Saints he seemed concerned about it. He mentioned we only have 1 FB and he is hurt. Didn't say much for Niklos who started the game obviously as he got cut. I had heard earlier in camp they were worried about this as well. I know going into camp they were excited about Aaron Golliday hopefully making a push to make the roster as the 4th TE and backup FB/HBack to Wilson and Cruz and a possible future replacement for Dunn. He couldn't stay healthy and Docherty tried to make a push for the spot with no sucsess. I think looking at FB prospects and a HBack TE like Terry Jones Jr. who was cut would be a better option than carrying 4 rbs. And what's up with the love for Dee Brown? They kept Ross but still could have cut Brown. The main problem with rookie RB's always is pass routes and especially pass protection. Brown can catch but i don't see how Ross could be any worse than Brown was in pass protection this preseason. As far as special teams, Brown is not a return man. And he is no Derrick Blaylock on coverage teams either. 1 count em 1 special teams tackle last season. So why all the love for his special teams skills and why couldn't Ross take these reps there? Another head scratcher. I know cap has much to do with any lack of vet cuts. And who knows, maybe something is in the works. Any vet that is one the roster week 1 has his salary guaranteed for the season if he gets cut, so we have time to see. Just thought these were some interesting topics you and the staff could check into. Maybe, maybe not but they are on my mind off what otherwise looks like a pretty solid 53. Now get your ass on the phone with your sources. :) |
When the **** do we sign Steve Martin back to stop the ru-.....wait....
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Seems like a big ole rant! I am actually impressed with the era change and Herm cutting the dead weight.
16 new players 10 rookies, all the draft picks plus three RFA's. In FA Law was obviously the big pickup. But Reed Edwards Walls signed to 1 year cheap contracts is impressive with the roles they will play. And Bennett and Turley were also good pickups that will pay off for us this season. I really like the roster but think we can make it even better. It's just like the players we cut, they are unemployed for one reason or another. Herm and CP say we will continue to build the roster from the bottom up and always will look to upgrade at the bottom 5 or so spots on the roster. Hicks really pisses me off. Just like Woods last year. At least JW had enough class to ask for his release when we signed Knight and again when we went to the final cut down last preseason when Dallas had an interest in trading for him. |
I fully expect there to be a mass overhaul in personel next year also..probably close to the amount of numbers this one has.
I think for sure cuts after this year will be Hicks, Bober, Knight and Wesley with numerous other players on the edge. I just wish they'd sign Haynes so they could dump Hicks now. |
So much for Haynes. Scott got signed too.
Glad we were not serious with Henson. |
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