Is Tamba Hali even on this team?
 

So far he's everything I thought he would be. A smaller, more mobile Eric Hicks. An effort guy with limted quickness and pass rush skills. Did his number even get called yesterday? The week before? Will it ever?

He's credited with three tackles and one assist. :shrug:

Did you even watch the game?

Denver ran the same offense we did. QB pressure was taken out of the equation.

I thought he made a great play staying at home on the first reverse play. That alone tells me there isn't anything Eric Hicks about this guy. A good defensive end keeps containment, if you see them all over the field, it probably means they're getting out of position. That's why Jared Allen got toasted on several misdirection plays.

Yes, let's harp on the rookie after the defense holds Denver to 9 points at Incesco.

Brilliant.

Did the bootleg work at all yesterday?

FYI, Jared Allen had 4 tackles and 2 assists. Guess he sucks, too.

Dude is around the ball all the time.

I don't understand some of you guys. Not every player can have 10 tackels, a forced fumble, and a sack.

Our Defense just held Denver to under 10 points, and if we would have won the coin toss, we probably would have won the game yesterday.

Sure the offense is conservative, it needed to be. Do you guys really want Damon effin Hurd dropping back and throwing the long ball? We basically used our passing game as part of the running game. We ate a ton of clock, had the lead at th half and lead most of the game.

Yeah, he got that atrocious facemask call.

Congratulations on the worst thread of the day!

Relax, I love the way Jared Allen plays, I was merely stating that because he tends to pursue, it sometimes takes him out of position.

No kidding. Hali did an excellent job! Hell, both ends did their jobs yesterday. The reverse was shut down. The bootleg was shut down. The ends were phenominal in comparison to the way they've "defended" dungver over the pat 5 seasons!

Good grief. I've seen #91 around the ball all the time, in both games. What channel is donklover watching?

That was a horrible call. The ref threw the flag PRIOR to Hali touching the facemask. Then Hali barely grazed it and they gave him the 15-yarder? That was awful.

You hadn't even posted when I wrote my reply...

I harp on the rookie because he is a first round draft pick and haven't heard his number all year.

Meanwhile our fourth round pick knocked down at least two passes and was double teamed much of the day. I suppose Hali was doubled as well?

Is it unfair? Hell no. It's up to everyone on this team to perform well at their job to win a championship. The offense was putting up 30+ points a game, but that didn't keep people from bitching about Sammie Parker or Kris Wilson. Now the defense plays it's first credible game in 5 years and the rookie is immune to criticism?

The makeup of this team has changed. The pressure is on the defense to be a large reason this team wins. Herm said that from the get-go. How many sacks does this team have this year? 1? 2? Youn think expecting a little more from our 1st round DE is unrealistic?

Jeezus, what an ignorant thread.

What the hell? It's the guys second game and even at this early stage, Hicks couldn't shine his shoes. He swarms the ball any time a play is in his area. He is going to be a play maker for us.

Mitch and Len were raving about him all day yesterday.

Nope. As much was expected from Ryan Sims. I'm just keeping the status quo.

He did well i saw him in many plays, he is 10x better than hicks, atleast he was in on tackles and not running after a guy and getting beat constantly.

He didn't get any sacks, but Plummer was knocked on his ass pretty hard more than once......Denver didn't have a single successful Bootleg, and Hali was in view of tackles and piles from sideline to sideline.

He doesn't have any sacks yet, but he was also being blocked by a TE to help Foster yesterday. He's all over the field and a HUGE upgrade over Hicks.

From what I can tell, Hali is making as much or more of an impact on our Defense than the #1 pick in the draft is for the Texans.

So in other words, you didn't watch the game and don't have a clue about anything.

Good to know.

Sims, LOL, now that WAS a bust, but he's been here how long?

This thread is so dumb, I'm having a hard time forgiving you.

Not hearing his number beats the hell out of hearing Eric Hicks' number on every big play we give up.

He's a solid player. #1 picks are game-changers with talent to support it.

Larry Johnson--check
Trent Green (traded a #1 for him)--check
Tony Gonzalez--check
Derrick Johnson--made mistakes his first year, but dropped jaws from day one.

Hali--??

Taco...
Put donkhater back on the phone.

hali is all over the field.

So you qualified Derrick Johnson's first year but made no provisions for Trent Green's? Wow.

So far about the only good thing said about him is that he is better than Hicks. Dubious praise indeed.

After this part I didn't need to keep reading. There is a reason they didn't bootleg as much yesterday. It wasn't because they forgot thats how you beat the Chiefs either. It was because Allen and Hali were containing it. The skill of a D-linemen is not in how many sacks they get. Sometimes just playing your position correctly makes it easier for others to get the tackle behind or near the LOS.

You obviously didn't watch the game.

Hali was near the ball on EVERY PLAY. He maintained outside contain and we held Denver to NINE POINTS.

This is quite possibly the dumbest "player rant" thread every posted on the Planet, and that's saying alot.

Man people are critical today? WHAT UP WIT DAT?

It's two games into his rookie season and he's already a glaring improvement for our starting lineup.

What did Larry Johnson do the first two weeks of his rookie year?

It's a little early for Hali to be inducted into Canton.

Different positions=different tracks for success. A DE should be impactful and noticable from day one.

Hey, he's a solid player and you could have a good defense with him, but I don't see the game-changing qualities I want as a #1 pick.

You'll notice that NOBODY is lining up to agree with you.

There's a good reason for that.

Larry Johnson didn't even get on the field for 2 years, Trent Green was a seasoned veteran, Tony Gonzalez caught 2 TD passes his rookie year, and Derrick Johnson looked like a rookie no matter what anyone says. Here's an idea, why don't we wait a few more games before we declare him a wasted draft pick.

Yes, His name was called early for being off side.

Bob Dole thought they had removed internet access at the group home to cut down on threads like this.

I must not have been paying attention for the past 5 years because this is the first time I recall thinking "wow, donkhater is a complete effing moron".

I think you need a larger television. There's something very wrong but it's NOT Tamba Hali.

He has been impactful and noticable from day one.

But you have to watch the game. Scanning the box score for sacks is the exact reason why you feel this way.

I think he must have walked away from his desk and his donkeyfan co-worker is making him look stupid.

Did you see a single Bootleg by Denver yesterday?

Shuddap. Hali and Allen did an excellent job of maintaining containment yesterday.

Hush and go fetch Bwana a beer.

Umm,

Todd Blackledge -- no check
Ryan Leaf -- no check
Trezell Jenkins -- no check

Not all #1 picks are "game-changers". Heck, at this point, to give up 9 points to Denver at Invesco is almost a fantasy come true.

Hali played well IMO. For a rookie very good.

In 5 periods.

I think DH you should actually watch the games before commenting on them. #91 has been a vast improvment to our D line over hicks. Yes he is still a rookie and gonna make mistakes, but even seasoned veterans make mistakes. Rather than worrying about Tamba, you should be worrying about the offensive tackles. Turley got slapped around like a red headed step child yesterday. I do have to admit though, that Sampson is a vast improvment over Highway 65.

Maybe it is just frustration coming to the front. Maybe I think that the only way KC is going to win with it's defense (and it appears that it's going to have to) is to get more pressure from it's front four.

The defense played very well, but it'll have to do more than bend but don't break. It's going to have to give the offense short fields and the best way to do that is to get turnovers. Hali (ever since he was drafted) seems to be a DE that will give you the solid play, but not much more. Not enough to bring the defense to the next level.

It's not his fault. He is who he is. I guess I'm just frustrated knowing the shortcomings of this team and also knowing that they have no one on the roster to make up for it. Including the one guy who should.

Would you have preferred it if the Chiefs drafted Mario Williams? Look at the stats of the #1 player drafted in the NFL and compare them to Hali. Hali's are better.

The Shortcomings of this team aren't the DEs or LBs...or secondary at this point.

There is a problem with 1 of the starting DT positions(Reed is doing a pretty damn good job for a FA) and both OTs...and all OT depth, because there is none.

What ‘bout the way he sniffed out the reverse in, IIRC, the first quarter?
Man, I’m still laugh’n at the receiver on that one. His eyes were the size of diner plates when he took the handoff and realized Hali was there to smack’im for a 5 yard loss. ROFL
Hali IS making an impact and IS a huge upgrade over Hicks.

Seriously. You really need to watch the games.

The only way KC is going to win is if the OFFENSE starts SCORING SOME POINTS.

You've bought into the pass rush argument to the point that your blind to the facts.

This team definitely has shortcomings. DE is no longer one of them.

ironic, considering the announcers called movement on the Invescos.

We either led or were tied the entire game. Denver took the lead (and the win) on the last play.

He absolutely threw it before Hali grazed the facemask...they were looking for calls on us. Probably 'cause all the griping about Trent.

Hali is doing just fine. Anyone who says otherwise is not watching him play.

This moron could not possibly be watching the same game I watched. He might not have made a lot of tackles or sacks but he made Denver change their game plan and most importantly was around the ball all game. If you would like, PM me. I tivo'd the game and would be more than glad to send you a copy. This is the dumbiest thread I have ever read.

He's active around the LOS against the run but is probably never gonna be much of a pass rusher...but then again neither is Mario Williams who was the #1 pick in the draft...hell, the Texans backup LE is doing a better job getting after the quarterback than he is.

That pick gets dumber and dumber by the game.

Dwight Freeney sucks too.....He doesn't even have any sacks this year.

I really don't know what channel this guy was watching, but I saw Hali all over the place yesterday.

It's still a shortcoming. Not just as glaring. The putridity of the tackles on both sides of the ball has diverted the attention of the KC fan base elsewhere. The DE's are average at best. I guess for the last few years that's all anyone could hope for. The fact that they are overachievers and effort guys to boot only endears them to the fanbase more and puts them above criticism.

I guess if you guys can live with average, I can too. No more threads on Hali.

I thought the same thing watching that disaster they call football in america before the night game. They were showing highlites of the Texans game and basically showed the kid getting man handled by the tackle. He is a pretty tall guy, but he does not look quick at all. He is going to have a hard time in the pros. This isn't college anymore where he can abuse the tackle as easily(unless he meets Black).

I thought Tamba played great. He was everywhere. He was all over the field. I don't know if it showed in his stats or not. On the flip side, I saw Kendrell Bells face twice and only twice. Once he got burned on an endzone pass and once he made a nice play on the RB. That's it. If you want to complain, complain that Fox hasn't taken over for Bell yet.

You are and idiot. Average. You have no clue what you are talking about. There is no way possible you watched this game. You're trying to get a rise out of us right? Because if you aren't you should never post a football opinion again because there stupid.

They DE's are better than average at this point. Bob Dole would have to go back and look, but Allen was bull-rushing successfully all day. Unfortunately, the interior linemen were getting zero push and Plummer only had to take two steps forward into the pocket.

I think Denver is struggling mightly. Since we have a bad history with them in Denver, I think it is somewhat fool's gold to think that yesterday was legit. The defense still gave up 300+ yards and 145 yards rushing. While a lot of that is on the offense for leaving them on the field too long, Denver has not looked like the usual offensive juggernuat yet this season. Call me skeptical.

Can someone use a crayon to explain why lack of pressure from the DTs makes the DEs look worse, and how if the Dline doesnt' get any push, there is an easy pocket for the QB to step into to make a throw?

Denver was held to 9 points over 4 1/2 quarters of play at home.....Cinci was held to very reasonable yards and points...2 consecutive weeks. Its 1 week from being a trend.

Your momma might want to check the lead levels in the drinking water of your home.

Allen is average at best?

Lets compare Allen, a 4th rounder, to the 3 first round DE's taken that draft year. Lets see how productive they've been their first 2 years in the league.

Name.........Sacks......Tackles
Allen..........20...........78
W. Smith....16...........78
K. Udeze.....6............30 (injured most of 2nd season)
Babin..........8............75

Jared Allen has better stats and has been more productive than the three first round picks of 2004. But, I guess he's average if you say so.

Our DE's are "average"?

--> Jared Allen

--> Tamba Hali





--> "average"



































--> donkhater's football IQ

Hali and allen were all over the ball. Even plays down the field they were atleast jumping on the pile. That way to finish off the plays helps squash any further yards and wears a team down after awhile. I saw 91 and 69 getting off the piles that no one else in the league would be getting out of the pile from. Good hustle is going to cause a turnover somewhere, just keep doing it 69 and 91

Allen and Hali are one of the better DE combos in the league. If we actually had a good DT or two, it'd be that much more evident.

True, the DT aren't helping.

Cincy was a defensive gift. Once Trent was knocked out, Cincy went into 'don't do anything stupid' mode and just wanted to get the hell out of the rain without hurting their QB. I, for one, don't think they would've had much trouble scoring if they really needed to. Denver (by virtue of Plummer's play and Huard looking at them across the line) took the same approach. Don't lose the game. Late in the game, they moved the ball just fine.

I'd add my two cents here to concur with others that this is a most worthless thread but that comment alone isn't even worth that miniscule amount of money.

Agreed...It was a sight for sore eyes to see them getting in on a lot of plays all over the field...Something we never saw out of Hicks.

You are just being igonorant. Hali had a tackle for loss, a tackle for no gain, and he was getting good pressure most of the game. He also did a good job against the bootleg the few times Denver tried it to his side. You do realize we held Denver to nine points right?

Sometimes I wonder about these type of threads. There hasn't been a single person here other that agrees with donkhater. You'd think that, when faced with unanimous opposition to his point, he'd back down.

Makes me think he's just trying to get a rise out of us.

I agree with Donkhater, Tamba Hali is a BUST!!! 2 games and all he's managed is 11 tackles - and only one of those for a loss. If a first round pick can't get a sack in 2 games, we don't need him.


We should cut him now.



:rolleyes:

Really? There is another thread on the front page bitching about how KC has only two sacks and one turnover and nearly everyone is agreeing with him. I mearly point out that the DE's aren't going to be the ones to do it because of the their lack of talent.

They hustle. I like that. Never said they didn't. Both are pretty good against the run. But above average pass rushers they are not. Players to game plan around they are not. If this fan base wants this defense to go to the next level, then in addition to whatever upgrades KC get at DT, they need a pass-rusher on the outside. It's a solid D-Line to have an average defense with.

Explain why Allen with 20 sacks his first two years in the league isn't above average?