Is Ty Law a Bust??
 

He has had a few good plays-Arizona he saved the game-but in Pitt he misplayed the ball and fell down, leading to a TD-after that the game was over. He seems to play too far back and has been burned repeatedly while getting several penalties. The pass interference yesterday directly lead to a TD that could have cost us the game.

So is he worth the pile of cash so far??

The PI was a BS call.

yeah, bring back McLeon

The PI call was bullshit, you can't blame him on that one. I don't really recall him getting "several penalties", in fact, Surtain probably has just as many if not more than Law.

We're still only 3/8 of the way into the season....

He pushed the guy down?

I still have nightmares over that guy.

absolutely not.

You can't blame Law for falling down on the slick grass in the Pittsburgh game.

And I'm not sure he's been burned repeatedly, either.

Hardly, he touched the guy and he fell down but the ball damn near went into the stands and was not catchable in the least bit.

The receiver tripped on the goal line and the ball didn't even land in the endzone. Illegal contact, maybe. PI, nope.

How many passes have been thrown his way this year? Maybe a couple a game. It would take the careful study of 6 games worth of film, but I would suggest that you haven't seen a lot of Ty Law because he generally covers his receiver. The value of a CB is in the number of passes NOT thrown his direction because his man is covered.

I'm pretty sure whether the CBs line up over the receiver, or off is not their own decision. Take that issue up with Gun.

Only two tackles yesterday and Parker smoked him a few times.

With all the hype for two years getting this guy-is is worth it??

You could be right about getting burned on the screen passes-Gun might have them playing back.

I agree the ball looked uncatchable, but TY did have his hands on him throughout the route.

Um...OK. What kind of defense are you recommending where our cornerbacks are putting up big tackling numbers?

Everyone was off at Pittsburg, including Law and his safety help, and Parker is a good receiver.

When you say "worth it", what do you mean? As opposed to what other option? Bartee? McCleon?

Which I disagree with. I think every time a receiver lines up the CB should bust him in the chops at the snap of the ball. But I'm guessing the coaches call the coverage schemes, not each player doing what they feel like on that particular down.

I wish the Chiefs would for the most part scrap the cover two and run a more traditional man to man scheme. I am tired of seeing Law release a player to the safeties in the cover 2 zone only to see them make a catch and Law left to stand there looking stupid.

Especially when we play high caliber receivers; such as the Arizona game, Boldin had a field day because of the releases Surtain and Law was giving him.

You're an idiot.

Fixed your post.

eh NO.

Law's the best CB on the team and the most complete CB we've had in 10 years. He's smart and he's a gamer. Plays tough against the run and pass. Is he on 100% of the time? No, but no CB is this league is.

If there was someone better to spend that money on, name him.

why did you guys try to debate a thread with halfcan?! The dude knows nothing about football. He has to have an IQ comparable to that of Samie Parker.

I still orgasm just saying his name.

I think you have to wait five years after you retire to get to Canton.

Umm Yes and is he a god? No

Thanks for playing.

Dave

QB's have stayed away from him. Those two sacks yesterday in the fourth were coverage sacks and that is a direct reflection of him. He is not a bust at all.

Beat me to it!!!

i don't know what game you were watching but Law barely made contact.... even then it was just "hand-fighting"


the guy tripped over his own feet.



maybe ....... maybe it could of been consider a illegal contract/5 yrds penalty with automatic 1st down.


no way was it a PI ..... the ball wasn't catchable anyway.


yea Law did slip against the steelers ..... the entire secondary played like total crap against the steelers.

isn't Surtain actually being paid more money by us??

i think so ... Law isn't a bust


our linebackers and safeties are a far bigger weaknesss in the passing game.


not to mention that i think our coaching tell them them to stay back and let the guy make the catch and then tackle him.


teams should just be throwing shallow crossing patterns all day


i expect holmgren to dink and dunk the crap outa us

OK boys and girls, this is a perfect example of why you should not do drugs.

there is no way that was PI...it should've been illegal contact.

Big difference between 5 yards and 30 yards...I was pissed off.

Halfcan,
you're and idiot.

Absolutely not. Ty has been worth it. Our pass defense has been elevated from joke-worthy to fearsome. Ty has been no small part of that.

They don't keep track of coverage sacks, but if they did, our secondary has a bundle so far. Plummer, Rivers, Leinart, and Smith have been hit a few times more than they should because Law's secondary has shut down all passing lanes.

Law himself has intercepted a couple so far, six games into the season. One of them helped defeat the Cards. Very good.

And he plays every down against the opponent's most talented receiver. Against San Diego, it was often one-on-one while everybody else attacked the line, so he had to play very conservatively, and he never once gave up a huge TD. (The LT touchdown was blown coverage on the right flank; Law was on the other side of the field.)

I'd blame him and the entire Chiefs secondary for their pitiful performance against the Steelers, but I'd rather erase that game from my mind.

The only game (other than Pittsburgh) where Law got beat with any consistency was against Denver's Jevon Walker, who's burning everybody right now. Law played him as well as anybody in the league could and Walker still found ways to win.

Other than that, Law has been A-list. His low tackles is proof that opposing teams would rather throw to Surtain (who's playing well too FWIW).

This has to be the dumbest thread on here in a long time.

I agree...lets just put Warfield and Bartee back in there again...

End of thread..

A bit like asking if Ryan Sims should be a pro-bowler.

someone should take away halfcan's thread-making privileges...

Think it is more of the coverage we run..

halfcan is too friggin' dense to understand a cover 2 defense.

He watches the replay and is like, "holy shit! Law just let that guy run by him after 10 yards!" not realizing that the cover 2 calls for the corner to release the receiver to the safeties after a certain amount of yards.

Bartee was always a top tackler...





case closed!

Since this place drooled over Ty for two freakin years, we finally get him, Jets trolls jumped all over us saying he is going to suck, and now the D is playing respectable football-I thought it was a valid question.

I think he has done a nice job-wish they would send him on corner blites a few more times this year-he has the technique to really make a big play and get to the QB.

I rewatched a few games-and it seems he has released his guy a few times thinking a safety was there-Now is that Ty's fault or Sammys??

Law has slowed some..but his presence makes QBs look-off most of the recievers hes covering..plus hes a plus for our youth on the team..and in the locker-room....

Don't forget Ty has been Money in the bank during the Playoffs-now we just have to get there.

Are you kidding me??????????? He's an even BIGGER bust than Hali.........

Law was worth the cash. All CBs eventually get a penalty and/or get burned. Goes with the game. We are better with him than without him. That is the most important stat.

Well said-so why have people bitched about TY since we got him. How many post popped up after the Cincy game that he was playing back too far. How many about falling down and also the Penalty against SD. It is a fair question to ask considering some of the comments around here. Is he worth it??

Did you see Shawn Springs get toasted by Harrison-that was sad. :shake:

guess I missed that one.

Why did people bitch about Law after the Cincy game? After the SD penalty?

Because people are fickle twerps whose allegiances and opinions will change on a dime.

They know no true loyalty, but instead impatiently denounce even the tiniest flaws they see as apocalyptic.

Don't listen to these people. You don't jump on a guy for one bad game or one bad play (if Law's Cincy game could even be called bad--I'd make the opposite case).

He's worth it. Not only that, he's extremely worth it. He's the leader of our revamped defense, and the crown jewel in Gunther's cover 2.

Indeed, Law is clearly a bust.

Why, all you have to do is look at what Surtain and Warfield did the the first 6 games of last season and.......what?....oh...

Just the name Ty Law makes our defense 100x better, not to mention he ain't too shabby on defense either.

what the **** are you talking about?

People have been all over Surtain...Law has gotten praise from just about everyone.

****ing n00bs.

The important thing isn't who you bitch at, or why, only that you bitch incessantly...

Today he drops an INT for a TD then falls down yet again and gets burned for another TD.

BUST!!

Today he drops an INT for a TD then falls down yet again and gets burned for another TD.

He's not a bust, but he needs to stop falling down and pulling a Surtain when a ball is thrown right in his ****ing numbers...

At least Surtain held on to his INT today.

He's not a bust. He did have a crappy series today though.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner

He just needs some longer ****ing spikes on his shoes and some extra grippy gloves.

He didn't cover anyone today. Jeez Ty buy some spikes and quit falling down you dumbass!!

stop falling down you asshole

that play is inexcusable

He'd be fine if we would play cover 2 like we're supposed to be doing

At least when Eric Warfield fell down it was stumbling out of his car after getting pulled over-lol

He needs to remove his head from his ass. He almost cost us the game today, as did Allen, Colquitt, Black, and Surtain.

So the scheme is making him fall down, drop Ints, and getting burned???

Exactly, after all the TY Hype for 2 years, I am disapointed in his play so far this year-thats all.

Why do you have to ****ing whine after a win?Why?Ty Law, sans two plays this year, has been fine.

Halfcan, on the other hand, is a bust.

I was slammed for even daring to ask the question, and now after TY drops another INT for a TD, and then gets faked out of his jock on a pump fake by a QB making his first start and then falls down yet again- I thought it was relevant to bring it back.

I think you need to understand how old Ty Law is as to why WR's can get behind him on double moves....

So he is old-that is why he has sucked this year??

I wouldn't say he "sucked", but he does have limitations because of his age. He can't sprint 40 yards with alot of WR's anymore, it doesn't help that our safeties are slow and stupid also.

Tory Holt is going to embarass him next week the way he has been playing. It is inside so maybe he won't fall down so much.

We're paying him too much to drop INTs and fall down in crucial points in the game.

not a bust

Torry Holt embarrasses a lot of DBs in the NFL.

I'm tired of this shit. The Chiefs have had worthless CBs for years. We finally have some and you complain?

**** off.

the real problem is our safties


where are they???

they're never deep enough...or smart enough...or fast enough...

Falling down in Pittsburg was because of the field. If you remember, the reciever wasn't really tackled on that play; he also fell down.

Falling down today was because he got beat badly and he was off balance. It happens. But, geez it hurts. Especially when the safety is 30 yards away...


As for him being a bust. Not at all. All you have to do is look at all the close games we've been winning. The coverage sacks. The pressure that the linemen are getting. The number of times that WALLS has been thrown to. Ty Law is playing like a Pro-Bowler, but everybody just looks at the 2 crappy plays. His "holding" today was ticky tack at best. Yes, he had a hold of the jersey, but he didn't effect the reciever at all. The call was not to the spirit of the rule, even though it was correct. The call last week was plainly the WORST call a referee has ever made. Law never even TOUCHED McCardell. McCardell dove towards Law's legs after the ball sailed 20 yards over their heads and hit the ground behind the goalpost, and bounced into some bystanders.

I don't think he should be accountable for those.

Ty was embarassed today. I wonder if he picked his jock up off the field.

bust = no

but we sure aren't getting our money's worth



dam vanilla-assed defense doesn't help