Tournament: Worst Draft Choice of Peterson Era
 

With the usual hate towards King Carl, especially this time of year with our hopes dashed once again, I thought we could take some time the rest of this month to make it official:

Who is the worst draft pick in the Carl Peterson era?

CP has been responsible for 18 years of Chiefs drafts. (1989-2006) To do it right, and vote for each year first, then have a playoff, would take forever. So in the interest of saving time, I've gone ahead and made a list of the worst draft pick each year. This thread will be the place to make an argument for a different player. Draft history can be found at:

http://www.drafthistory.com/teams/chiefs.html

Once it looks like we've come to an agreement on the representatives for each year, the voting will begin. Each day, I'll post a poll with two years facing off against each other. The winner moves on to the next round, bracket style. The matchups will be as follows:

1989 v 2006

1990 v 2005

1991 v 2004

1992 v 2003

1993 v 2002

1994 v 2001

1995 v 2000

1996 v 1999

1997 v 1998


Here are (for now) the finalists:



1989 - Mike Elkins QB R2
1990 - Fred Jones WR R4
1991 - Harvey Williams RB R1
1992 - Matt Blundin QB R2
1993 - Lindsay Knapp OG R5
1994 - Bracey Walker DB R4
1995 - Trezelle Jenkins OT R1
1996 - Dietrich Jells WR R6
1997 - Pat Barnes QB R4
1998 - Rashaan Shehee RB R3
1999 - Mike Cloud RB R2
2000 - Sylvester Morris WR R1
2001 - Eric Downing DT R3
2002 - Ryan Sims DT R1
2003 - Julian Battle DB R3
2004 - Junior Siavii DT R2
2005 - Craphonso Throrpe WR R4
2006 - Marcus Maxey DB R5

Blackledge

are we going to do a 'best carl peterson draft picks thread' too?!?!?!

Are you high?

Sorry, Redrum, just bashing the Peterson era.....

Sure.

I say we wait until this is over though, so the front page isn't overrun with this crap. JMO.

My top five:


1.Trezelle Jenkins

2. Ryan Sims

3. Junior Siavii

4. Matt Blundin

5. Mike Cloud

Wasn't the 1995 draft in particular filled with feces?

Correct me if I am wrong...but didnt we pass up on Joe Montana as a draft pick??

Needs to be R1 or R2 and tried to be played for awhile.

1.1995 - Trezelle Jenkins OT R1
2. Ryan Sims
3. Jr.Savaii

Someone needs to make a thread about draft picks we could have had but didnt take and what they are doing now...

That's being generous.

No one has a dispute over a player yet?

No need for a tournament. If Ryan Sims don't win this thing, its a conspiracy.

No, you're not wrong......

coughcough*Carl Peterson era*cough

I'm surprised it took 13 posts for that to be said.......

Montana did'nt go until the latter rounds of the 1979 draft.

We took blackledge over Moon, Marino and Kelly I do believe.

(Poor a little more salt in that wound)

why bash carl though.

hes better than most others in the league

i'm not a fan of carl, but hes done alright.

blame the coaches...or lamar

I'll second the Trezelle Jenkins nomination.

Ryan Sims, Eddie Freeman, and Junior Siavii are all running neck-in-neck for second.

Hell, I'll even throw in a Matt Blundin. One of the first of a long list of spectacular second round flame outs for King Carl.

now who the heck is high...


marino was in 1983...montana was 1979

sorry i meant 83, i was thinking of elway in 84

Don't worry, Redrum, I'm gonna do a Best CP Draft pick Tournament too.......

Just thought I'd go this route first since everyone is in a foul mood missing the playoffs again.....

Huard. Definitely Huard.

What part of Trezell Jenkins is it that you don't understand?

Eddie Freeman and Ryan Sims were in the same draft class.

Sims wins in my book.

Keep in mind, I'm actually going to post polls daily once we can confirm the list I made.....

My top 5:

1. Jenkins
2. Blundin
3. Elkins
4. Downing
5. Walker

You! You are the one who is high.

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/re...elease_id=1540

Elway, Eason, Kelly, O'Brien, Marino, and we picked Blackledge.

Though we did get Albert Lewis in the 3rd.

Why playoff bashing...Chiefs arent out of it yet.


Just wait...San Diego wants to get even for the "being soft" comment we gave them after we won last time.....but I'm telling you that we will win the next three games...we will be a wildcard team.

San Diego is going on a three game slide starting this weekend...


KC will limit Ladainian to only 56 yards rushing...with 22 attempts..and no touchdowns.

LJ will have three rushing touchdowns and 199 rushing yards

Gonzalez will get two touchdowns

Chiefs 38
Chargers 17

You guys are lucky...

Having someone here that knows what he's talking about (me).

And the winnah is, hands down, Sims.

The others might have been lumps, but they weren't lumps picked in the part of the first round where we only get to once in a blue moon, where the previous times we got there we got DT and Gonzo.

ROFL

Personally I wouldn't call anyone drafted later then the 3rd round a bust and would therefore not be eligible for this question.

That said I'd say Sims has to be the winner. With all due respect to Jenkin's bustage, Sims was a 6th overall. Jenkins was a 31st overall pick.

Yep! Print 'em!

I don't think Sims should be the winner since he was highly regarded coming out of college. Minnesota thought he was the best DT in the draft as well. That makes Sims the biggest bust of a player, but not necessarily the worst pick by Carl. Carl at least had an arguably legitimate basis for selecting Sims.

omeone like Jenkins or Siavii on the other hand, they were busts plus they were reaches. That's the height of GM ineptitude.

If we've already seen the full extent of the contribution that Ryan Sims will make to the Chiefs, he wins the prize going away as far as I'm concerned.

Trezelle Jenkins is a strong candidate, but he was taken at the end of the first round. Sims was taken with the highest draft pick Carl has ever had aside from the one he used quite successfully on Derrick Thomas (he wasn't the guy who picked Neil Smith was he?).

Percy Snow and Sly Morris are also contenders, but it's hard to put all the blame for these guys on Carl since they both lost their careers to injuries before they could demonstrate their actual playing abilities.

Ryan Sims. When you draft a #6 pick and it's a failure it is devastating.

Don't forget to add what we traded for that #6 pick when figuring the magnitude of his bust.

Yep, the Chiefs were the only team to pass on him.

All I can tell you is that Percy Snow was a sack machine on techmo-bowl! Too bad he never realized his potiential in real life :)

DT

Jenkins was the worst
Siavii the second worst
Sims the third worst

Sims was at least cast as a high first round pick by other teams so it is hard to completely fault Peterson. The real error that year was trading up to get Sims instead of taking one of the other highly rated DTs that were available that year. If we had just waited until our pick we would have had John Henderson and retained our 3rd round pick. Think about that.

Ryan Sims isnt that bad


Look who his coaches were.....


Sims deserves another shot.....

Sims. No one drafted that high should suck so completely. He's stuck it to us from day one. What a pure useless piece of shit.

DIE SIMS DIE 4321

Had a little eggnog this morning, did we?

The Siavii fiasco was worse than the Sims pick by far. Olshansky was on the board for us but Carl traded down and we missed him. Instead we got Siavii who was worthless and Wilson who likely could have been had much later. Those are serious draft blunders. Much worse than drafting the top rated player and having that player turn out to be a bust.

Man King Carl has really whiffed on DT's
2001 - Eric Downing DT R3
2002 - Ryan Sims DT R1
2004 - Junior Siavii DT R2
Add this to the recent list of DT's taken...What year was Freeman DT taken in the 2nd round?

Trezelle Jenkins.

Yeah, but of all the teams that passed on Montana, the Chiefs were one of a select few that passed on him to take a different QB. In the 1st round. That makes the Chiefs blunder much worse IMO, since most of teams that passed on him didn't need a QB at the time.

It's reminiscient of our RB futility of the 90s. Carl just can't seem to find a good one.

When did 3rd round become a "latter" round?

And who the hell drafted Moon?

Well, to be honest, it isn't fair to just pick a player. Also, anyone picked in round 5 or later, shouldn't be allowed. Their chances of making the team aren't strong to begin with.

But, you have to make an honest assessment with each pick. For instance, Ryan Sims is everyone's favorite bashing toy right now. We moved up a spot to get him in the first round. We badly needed a Defensive Lineman that year, and we literally "stole" him away from Minnesota who took too long to make their pick. This doesn't look good.

BUT- you also have to consider who, of the defensive linemen ONLY, were taken after him. Is there another defensive linemen taken AFTER Sims from that draft year that is playing/performing better than Sims? If NOT, then you can blame the pick. Saying something like, Well Tom Brady was available in the 6th round that year...Well, here's something for you Sherlock- then that means that EVERY fuggen team *****ed up, not just the Chiefs.

It is not fair to say we missed players who turned out to be Pro Bowlers later when our needs that draft year didn't include those players. You have to be fair in your judgment here and if there was a defensive lineman taken after Sims that is performing well, then that only confirms the pick was a horrible choice.

I'm sorry, but I hate these stoopid "Who we shoud've drafted" threads, 'cause the fact of the matter is- every team is at fault for not picking up players they thought they should have drafted.

Think about every team in the NFL this past draft that drafted a WR and how all of them passed up on Marques Colston who is outshining every single WR taken above him. You don't think all of those team owners are shaking their heads in disbelief now and are considering firing their scouts, if they haven't already.

If you're going to go back and say Matt Blundin was a stinky draft choice, then you must be fair to yourself and first ask: Did we need to draft a QB that year, and if we did- then did any QB drafted AFTER him have any success as a starter. If so, then Blundin was a bad pick, if not, then Blundin's pick is irrelevant.

FYP

I completely agree with this... The only thing I'll add is my vote goes to Siavii based on the fact the he was a reach with well know off field issues. Maybe Jenkins had off field issue too but for some reason I recall he at least wanted to play football.

Tony Mandarich, Ryan Leaf, Brian Bosworth.

Just a couple of examples.

The fact is, even at the very top of the draft, it is still just a crapshoot.

You're kidding, right?

Hmmmmm as a Jaguar fan I have to go with Ryan Sims. After all by drafting him you guys passed on big John Henderson who has been a great anchor in Jacksonville with Marcus Stroud. Sims has talent but one of the worst work ethics in the NFL if you ask me.

I think it was Mr. PastorMikH that coined the term, "The higher the pick, the bigger the bust."

So before I choose, which pick was Harvey "Bobblehead" Williams?

FAX

Oh, I think you are overestimating Sims.

Sims has no talent, nor any work ethic. In college he had Julius Peppers drawing quadruple teams. I could have had 5-6 sacks lining up with Peppers. He's a fat sack of shit who lost any work ethic he may have had the day he got his first check (hell, before that even. Vermeil was bitching his ass out in TC b/c not only did he hold out, the fat bitch came in out of shape). If Sims had talent he would show it this year, as this is a walk year for him. Even the laziest of players bust their asses in a contract year. He's just a big pile of shit. I'd pay 20 bucks to watch him die

LMAO

He'll probably die in his sleep due to clogged arterey, and you'd feel cheated, again.

We didn't steal Sims from Minnesota, we barely avoided having him stolen by Minnesota. We traded up late on the clock and it expired before we could get our pick in. Minnesota was on the clock then and was just a little too slow to get their pick in before one of our flunkies raced up to the podium (so to speak) with the Sims pick.

I never said he was drafted, although he should've been.

Um minnesota almost stole him from us. It was dallas pick we traded up for and they took too long and time ran out. Minnesota was trying to get theirs in before we got ours in.

Yep that is how I would rank them

That's probably why I'll have to be proactive and inject a huge syringe full of air into a vein while he sleeps. Of course, it's hard to die of an aerial embolism when you don't have a heart.

Hello, it's my job here at Chiefs Planet to remind everyone that the draft is a complete crap shoot. Peterson has been every bit as awful as everyone else at the draft. A study last year showed that in the previous ten years, the Chiefs ranked very average in drafting (based on number of players still in league), although they came out top in the division.


By the way, kudos to those who correctly recognized that while Sims may have been the worst/most disappointing player every drafted, he was not the worst draft pick ever. Sims was rated as the number one DT in the draft by almost everyone. Picking him seemed like an excellent idea at the time.

By the way, anyone who suggests that a player is a bad draft pick because they were later injured is nutty.

My point is that every team passed him over.
You make it sound as though Carl(sic) was the only idiot to take a pass.

Second, is that Moon wasn't drafted in the same year as Blackledge, and niether was he signed by the Oilers in the same year as Blackledge was drafted.

It was stupid ****ing post.

I dont see how Carl's best draft pick tourney doesnt have Shields and DT in the finals. DT winning of course.

Which QB did we take instead of Montana?

Steve Fuller.

Dammit Carl.

LMAO Bad memories are easily forgotten.

Just got home from taking a final exam and I gotta say this has been fun to catch back up on......

I'm in agreement that I probably should have only listed the guys that were 1st or 2nd rounders. Not fair to have a 5th rounder on there.

Glad to see some spirited debate on the Sims - Siavii issue.

Barring any other suggestions, I'll start the poll tomorrow. Round One matchups:

89 Elkins vs. 04 Siavii

92 Blundin vs. 00 Morris

91 Williams vs. 02 Sims

95 Jenkins vs. 99 Cloud

Bump for night crew....

SIMS.
That is all.

Just to be devil's advocate, Shields was a 3rd rounder and still played at a HOF level almost his entire career. In terms of value, that's hard to beat.

And Dan Marino and John Elway

WTF stop taking drugs

I am not sure, Ryan Sims at least has played (though not in a stellar fashion). Trezelle Jenkins was a true, true disaster.

Jenkins didn't cost a first and a third. No contest. Sims taking up space on the field doesn't mean anything.