Should Merriman be a probowler?
 

Roid boy was suspended this year for 4 games, should he of made the probowl?

HE HAD LIKE 80 SACKS; YES.

4 game suspension...no way!
IMHO.

That's my brotha you are talkin about ese!

STEROIDS SHOULD BE LEGALIZED...I DON'T CARE IF THESE PEOPLE DIE...THEY ARE ONLY GOOD FOR MY ENTERTAINMENT...WHAT THEY DO AFTER FOOTBALL IS SOMETHING I'M NOT CONCERNED WITH.

COULD YOU IMAGINE HUARD ON ROIDS?! JESUS.

Note to Hootie: Turn off the freakin' cap locks.

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I prefer you turn off the cap locks.

DOES IT HONESTLY BOTHER YOU THAT MUCH?!?! SOMETIMES I GET INTO HYPER MODE AND FEEL AS IF I AM MORE UNDERSTOOD IN ALL CAPS. IT FITS MY PERSONALITY BETTER.

"What personality?!"

**** YOU! **** YOU AND DIE!

Yes, it hurts my eyes. I'm sorry you're an attention whore who feels that large lettering somehow conveys your point, or lack thereof, more precisely.

You are Ultra-Peanuts not nearly as formed nor witty sibling.

Her...Donnie Swayze if you will.

No, I will always hate that ****er for the cheap helmet to helmet hit on Priest that probably ended his career.

Missing four games because he cheated should not be overlooked in the Pro bowl selection.

He's not even the best LBer on his team.

I don't know, but Hootie has earned her way to ignore. Christ.

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HELL NO

Talk about perfect.

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Yeah it is pretty sad when ESPN and the Media make him out to be something special... He cheated, plain and simple...

Take note kids, ESPN says you can cheat and win, Cheaters do win.

I freaking cant stand ESPN.....

14 out of 18 say "No?" THERE goes the board credibility......Haven't you ever heard the saying, "Don't be a hater?" The guy's a star, that got whacked with a tainted supplement, and, right after the suspension, picked right up where he left off. He has continued his NFL onslaught, and has been tested clean a number of times, and will be, a thousand MORE times......Call me if he ever tests positive again. I'll lead the charge to throw him out......

I'm sorry, he cheated. He was caught and suspended. He shouldn't be rewarded with a birth on the pro bowl roster. :shake:

No here..altho he probably isnt the only player there cheating...

I don't think anyone who has served a suspension during the season or those who are under charges that could lead to suspension, should be recognized as one of the NFL's elite for that season.

He's still an absolute impact player on the D side of the ball something we are sorely lacking....

When it was reported on ESPN that Merriman was suspended, I'll bet everyone knew what his excuse would be.

Do your homework before you start spewing all kinds of nonsense like "He's on Roids" or "He cheated".

There was a small amount of Nandrolone found in his system. If you do some research on the world of supplements, you'll find that many supplements go unchecked in regards to whats actually in them. Its not like he was sticking needles in his ass or something. He was using the same supplement since training camp and was tested several times BEFORE AND AFTER he tested positive. Both came out negative.

The NFL has a no tolerance policy and furnishes a list of approved supplements. Anyone who chooses to go elsewhere does so AT THEIR OWN RISK. For this he is guilty and deserves the suspension. There is no denying his god given abilities however. He will finish atop the league sack leaders at the end of the season even after missing 4 games.

The San Diego Chargers put out a statement giving Merriman their FULL SUPPORT along with his teamates. Do you thing the org. would further taint their name if they didnt believe him.

Furthermore, the COACHES, FANS, AND PLAYERS voted Merriman in. What does that tell you? (I expect a barrage of smart ass remarks with this question, I wont be surprised)

Anybody who knows anything about the "inside" world of sports knows this. Im not advocating it, but if someone really wanted to "cheat" by using steroids, there are numerous ways to do this. Even though they can test you at any given time. Yet another example of why this story is a bit fishy.


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I quoted the wrong post in my previous post above, sorry boogblaster.

Agreed 110%. I would love for the roids to end up in our players, couldnt hurt...

Couldn you imagine Huard on Roids? Good Lord, his passes would rip WR's arms off.....

Yeah.

No player who has been suspended should be honored with a pro bowl selection. It should go to players who don't cheat.

Roid boy should not have made the Probowl-what a joke.

It's a pretty fair assessment that the NFL obviously doesn't care if their players cheat or not. If you are suspended in the year for cheating, they should make a rule so that in no way shape or form can you go to the Pro Bowl. I don't think Merriman should go to the Pro Bowl, not because he did roids, but because he cheated. I could care less if he did roids. How come people freak out when shitty MLB guys like Jason Grimsley get busted for roids but in the NFL one of the best linebackers in the game gets busted and nobody cares?

Your statement makes absolutely no sense. How did he cheat in your eyes then?

You dont care if he used a supplement that contained a banned substance, yet you care he "cheated"? explain that one.

Do your homework before you start spewing all kinds of nonsense like "He's on Roids" or "He cheated".

There was a small amount of Nandrolone found in his system. If you do some research on the world of supplements, you'll find that many supplements go unchecked in regards to whats actually in them. Its not like he was sticking needles in his ass or something. He was using the same supplement since training camp and was tested several times BEFORE AND AFTER he tested positive. Both came out negative.

The NFL has a no tolerance policy and furnishes a list of approved supplements. Anyone who chooses to go elsewhere does so AT THEIR OWN RISK. For this he is guilty and deserves the suspension. There is no denying his god given abilities however. He will finish atop the league sack leaders at the end of the season even after missing 4 games.

The San Diego Chargers put out a statement giving Merriman their FULL SUPPORT along with his teamates. Do you thing the org. would further taint their name if they didnt believe him.

Furthermore, the COACHES, FANS, AND PLAYERS voted Merriman in. What does that tell you? (I expect a barrage of smart ass remarks with this question, I wont be surprised)

[QUOTE=Drunk]Do your homework before you start spewing all kinds of nonsense like "He's on Roids" or "He cheated". )





Nobody is buying that lame excuse-I bet you think Bonds didn't know what he was taking either. Go rub some Linseed oil on your pecker and quit making stoopid post.

Actually, he's right there's alot of stuff in supplements that isn't listed.

Nobody is buying that lame excuse-

Obviously many athletes and coaches "bought that excuse" or he wouldnt be going to the Pro Bowl.


Go rub some Linseed oil on your pecker

???Wow, you got problems man. Dont want to even ponder at what you do in your free time


and quit making stoopid post.

At least spell stoopid right if your going to call someone that.

Nadrolone IS an anabolic steroid. So...Merriman was "on 'roids". Nadrolone helps increase both muscle growth and red bloodcell production. Essentially, giving Mr. Merriman a leg up on the competition. (also known as 'cheating')

Many supplement products on the market today do not go through the stringent FDA testing required for other drugs. However, each NFL team makes available to it's players all legal dietary supplements from approved sources. There is no reason Mr. Merriman would need to obtain supplements from non-NFL approved sources. In fact, using supplements from sources other than team trainers in a violation of NFL policy.

Regardless, Nadrolone availability is only 2.24% when taken orally. Thus 97.76% of the trace amount ingested in a tainted batch of creatine powder or whatever they mystery supplement was (assuming for sake of argument that a schedule III controlled substance would some how end up in a legal nutritional supplement during the manufacturing process) would simply pass through Mr. Merriman's system, unused. Nadrolone itself is not detectable in urine, rather it is the byproduct of Nadrolone's metabolization that is detected in urine tests. Injection of Nadrolone provides 100% availability....even injections in the ass.

Strangely enough, after Mr. Merriman used non-NFL approved supplements which he claims were somehow tainted, he dropped his appeal. Even more astounding, he refused to reveal the type or manufacturer of said supplement...leaving the public at risk to tainted supplements.

Merriman got caught with an anabolic steroids in his system. His excuse is ridiculous. He cheated, he got caught. He should not be in the pro-bowl.

Here's the real question.....why does anyone care? it's not like anyone watches the pro bowl or gives a shit about it to be honest....

At first I was also very skeptical about his story. (I didnt express my opinions or throw him under the bus yet like may people including charger fans did) After reading a lot more into it, I will only say that I will at least give him the benefit of the doubt now. Details are still sketchy because he is sueing the company, but more info will surface.

hell no ... it should be part of the punishment for being caught roiding.

the league should seriously consider banning them from post season play as well.


get caught busting for roids...

1. suspension
2. fine
3. no probowl or any other award possible
4. no post season play????


suspension and no post season play would send a message to the team to "suggest" to them that they should try harder to prevent such things.

Luis Castillo must not be able to read either huh? Obviously you missed the meaning of the linseed joke-it supposedly makes things bigger, like Bonds head-get it dipshit. Go back to the San Roidiego boards with your inplausible theories.

The players union would come down on the league like a shit storm.....they have agreed to punishments they can't just take them beyond that because they feel like it.

That's a different question....I used to enjoy watching to see if the guy could kick a field goal for $100,000 or whatever it was.

It's funny how those 2 guys are 1000 times better than anything we have.....

i imagine the players association would welcome more of a team punishment being included.


and yes ... the league would consult with the players association before changing the punishment.

Merriman is a cheater. The league is to soft and too forgiving with players who cheat to get the sort of recognition merriman is getting in the first place. He says hes better the DT better the LT.... They didnt cheat unlike him. The proved they were forreal without using steroids. Merriman hasnt! And by judging how the league has seemingly bent over backwards for the chargers lately, i wouldnt be suprised if the ****er (merriman) has paid the league off so he can go on his merry way cheating! I think he should have and astric applied to any and every stat he makes.

I seriously doubt it.....ever see how guys who have big roles act about it? Troy Vincent is the president of the players union. If he's on your team he won't play when anything is wrong with him and he'll tell your other players that they should sit out if anything is wrong with them because the team isn't looking out for them and doesn't care about them. It's on them to protect their careers, because if something happens the team will just cut them and not care.

Now he has a point but it is frustrating when half your team is sitting out with minor injuries.

Lawrence Taylor was probably more hyped up on drugs than any other player ever.....I think you should do some editing.

Lucky, the details of you being a Moron for believing such shit-is not sketchy at all.

Nadrolone IS an anabolic steroid. So...Merriman was "on 'roids". Nadrolone helps increase both muscle growth and red bloodcell production. Essentially, giving Mr. Merriman a leg up on the competition. (also known as 'cheating')

The key word is WAS. People act as if he has been and still has Nandrolone in his system. He was tested several times before AND after the dirty sample. All times Negative. I am not disputing the fact that it is a steroid.

Many supplement products on the market today do not go through the stringent FDA testing required for other drugs. However, each NFL team makes available to it's players all legal dietary supplements from approved sources. There is no reason Mr. Merriman would need to obtain supplements from non-NFL approved sources.

AGREED.

Regardless, Nadrolone availability is only 2.24% when taken orally. Thus 97.76% of the trace amount ingested in a tainted batch of creatine powder or whatever they mystery supplement was (assuming for sake of argument that a schedule III controlled substance would some how end up in a legal nutritional supplement during the manufacturing process) would simply pass through Mr. Merriman's system, unused. Nadrolone itself is not detectable in urine, rather it is the byproduct of Nadrolone's metabolization that is detected in urine tests. Injection of Nadrolone provides 100% availability....even injections in the ass.

I dont know enough about the process to comment, but I have read various debates and disputes about exactly what you are talking about. I will try to dig some up.


Strangely enough, after Mr. Merriman used non-NFL approved supplements which he claims were somehow tainted, he dropped his appeal. Even more astounding, he refused to reveal the type or manufacturer of said supplement...leaving the public at risk to tainted supplements.

He dropped his appeal for the good of the team. Everyone knew that if his appeal dragged on, he would miss both Denver games. The reason he did not supply the name is because he is supposedly sueing the company.


Merriman got caught with an anabolic steroids in his system. His excuse is ridiculous. He cheated, he got caught. He should not be in the pro-bowl.

Obviously many Fans, Coaches, and Fellow players feel differently. Or know something we dont....

Other players and coaches voted for the guy....so apparently it's not nearly the deal to them it seems to be to alot of fans.

Thats right he was a coke head. DT was a proven player though. He was greatness. He didnt cheat. He used his god given ability unlike the merrimans of the sport world.

Merriman is a stud. Id take him as a Chief in a heartbeat.

It was an idiotic joke. You must have not gotten mine either huh.

Subtle, yet un-funny. <my joke =I

And it follows that if you know you can be suspended and lose money for testing positive for banned substances that you would take care to use supplements that were condoned by the NFL.

I just don't buy that he didn't do it on purpose. With all that's at stake with your reputation, money and team success, there's absolutely no reason to not use the same thing that everyone else does -- unless you're doing something you're not supposed to.

Its funny how a football athelete who is known for maticuously takeing care of his bodys doesnt even know what is going into his protien shakes!...

My opinion is this....it takes more than fan vote to get into the pro bowl. If other players and coaches think enough of him to vote him in and it doesn't bug them then I'm sure as hell not going to lose any sleep over it.

"With all that's at stake with your reputation, money and team success, there's absolutely no reason to not use the same thing that everyone else does"

EXACTLY. Thats the question.

NFLPA is one of the more accommodating players "union" there is.



that's how the league got this many fines etc already.

The "protein shakes" =) industry is not as regulated as you may think.


(joke)

If he did the crime, then paid the time, and is still sublime.....

Then I think his nomination is fine

In fact, it's grandeur

-Johnnie Cochran
aka/ Walt Frazier

Ya, and I bet you believe everything George Bush tells you too huh.


Please lets not get politics involved Drunk! It only complicates matters further. Ok.
=)

I would say no, not because of his play, but because testing positive should exclude you, accident or not.

Now Welborn has played at that level, not even last year, but the same would hold for him as well.

Honestly the players union or the NFL should step up here, a player should be able to take whatever supplement he wants to take and have them test it. They should not release what they are taking, to the public or to other players. Then the NFL/Players union can have the drugs delivered to them, tested and sent to the player. Even if they don't test every sample they can keep some of that bottle on hand and test to see if it is tainted.

This would give players that feeling of having an advantage by getting to chose their own supplements without the other players finding out what they are taking, all while protecting the player.

Oh well.

All good points. Now I regret the timing of my rhyming.

That wouldnt work, because you can test a supplement 50 times and have it come out negative but 51 is positive. Then what.

Now, to exclude a player after having a positive test (no matter if it was accident or not) is a good argument. I have to go against it here because he is a charger and its my job as a fanatic is to back him. =)

But what are the chances that it would be just two pills from the bottle? You would think the entire drug bottle would be tainted, and if the NFL has some pills from that bottle they could then test it to verify that is truly what happened. If it was the drug then that supplement company could be banned and the player wouldn't need to be punished.

Sure it wouldn't be perfect, but if a company knew that it was going to the NFL they would make damn sure not to put anything in it that would get them banned.

Sure it isn't perfect, and it would cost money, but hey, they pay to take all the samples from players now.

You shouldn't be able to make the pro bowl in a season in which you serve a suspension.

THEN WE WONT NEED LJ!!! yay money saving! woo!

I agree.

IMO, if you're suspended by the league you should be ineligible for the Pro Bowl.

For those of you doing the "tainted supplements" dance...bullshit. First of all, the league has a list of approved (read: tested) supplements that are known to be free of any banned substances. Players with half a brain use them. Second, supplement companies don't make money by spiking their cheap-to-make-but-sold-at-an-insane-markup products with expensive and illegal drugs. Those claims (always by an athlete that's tested positive) have been shown time and again to be utter bullshit. The government coming in and shutting you down hurts profits. Third, if you understood how athletes are tested for drugs (T/E ratio), you'd know that the chances of the mythical "tainted supplement" resulting in a positive drug test are precisely zero (playing make-believe...a "tainted" supplement would have to have a sky-high level of "taint" to trigger a positive test).

I believe that currently the NFL's allowed T/E ratio is 5:1. That means they can have 5 times the normal amount of testosterone in their body before being considered positive for using gear. Athletes that use simply monitor their blood (with a physician's help) to float just under that threshold.

What this means is that a lot of guys (most?) who test clean are in fact using. They're just very smart about it. Look at the size, speed and musculature of today's NFL player. You think that's natural? Please.

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Nkay

where did this 'her' myth come from!?

Is it because I talk about blowing dudes all of the time?!

I already used the Huard on roids theory in this thread, copy-cat...