Identify your dream player in the first round of the 2007 NFL draft!
 

LT Levi Brown, Penn State

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Alan Branch

Is this within reason or can I just say any player that has entered the draft?

you like any man who bends over like that

Is this a ridiculous dream, or a realistic dream?

Anyone.

Calvin Johnson then

Brian Brohm

If you're gonna dream for somebody we probably won't pick high enough to draft, Joe Thomas or Alan Branch would be the choice.

I'm not real high on Levi Brown, don't think he operates well enough in space.

Yuck.

Quinn Pitcock, and the #90 should be available for him.

Yup.

As far as dreams with a chance of happening, Dwayne Jarrett would be most excellent if he falls to 23. Ted Ginn's injury will affect that, I'm sure.

I'll keep it realistic.

Amobi Okoye or Tank Tyler.

I'd prefer a LT if there's one available, but I doubt it.

Realistically: Levi Brown.

I'd be fine with Ginn, Okoye, Tyler, maybe Pittcock.

I'm also going to pay close attention to Doug Free of NIU in round 2. It would be nice to draft bookend tackles who could be here for a f'ing decade.

If all the left tackles are gone WR Sidney Rice might be a good pick.

And Joe Staley, Cent. Michigan.

I damn sure know the last 1st round WR from South Car. worked out well....:rolleyes:

Joe Thomas(even though that sounds odd because it's my name)

He and LJ would be best friends.

Calvin Johnson is my dream player, but realistically Dwayne Jarrett, Sidney Rice, or Okoye.

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Amobi Okoye. Another motor guy. Will fit in well with in our Cover 2.

First round LT.
free agency RT

Our two biggest problems
other key areas of improvment in no specific order
WR
K
KR
DT
DT
LB

I'd rather draft a CB for the future than get a kicker. Even though Tynes deserves the nuthooks for his playoff performance, I think we'll keep him around. Also, a CB could possibly be a kick returner for us if he's got enough speed, so that could address two needs.

Somebody else that's seen Free play! :clap: :clap:

yeah I just don't think we'll get a corner I since our main focus will be the offensive and defensive tackles so I don't think we'd get to solid of a CB

Levon "6 Toes" Sexton.

Runs the 40 in 3.2 seconds and can bench press over 90 reps of 520, great hands, can block, catch, tackle, pass, punt and makes a heck of a coconut macaroon. Won the NCAA Big Hanger Competition in both his Junior and Senior years. Great leader in the lockerroom and loves to learn plays and evaluate film. Opened his own hair salon when he was 8 years old and sold it to pay his mother's mortgage. Hard to scout 'cause he's hard to see 'cause he's so damn fast.

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ROFL ROFL

Actually I wish we would've tanked the season and been able to get Quinn. This season was hell and could've been 1-15, and I would've been happier. Brady Quinn is going be huge, and I would be pissed if the raiders take him. We already have to deal with Cutler on the donkteam.

Thank God we missed on Quinn.

Not sold on him, Mr. htismaqe?

I like the idea of developing Brodie and finding another young QB project somewhere in the ethers. But, what we need now are linemen and lots of 'em.

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Identify your dream player in the first round of the 2007 NFL draft!



Joe Thomas

Nope.

Same here.

I've asked this before, but is there any chance that Justin Harrell falls to our pick in the second round because of his season ending injury in the first or second game this past season?

Happens when you go to a MAC school.....I'd still like to see more of him, however. He could be the solution at RT.

My realistic dream draft pick - Patrick Willis.

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Not our biggest area of need, but he'll be a great player.

Unrealistic dream draft players - Joe Thomas and Gaines Adams.

Well, I don't way that much and I doubt I could help the Chiefs' O-line very much.

Some of you guys are gonna be upset because I'd lay money down that the Bills will take either Willis or Okoye with their pick.

The Bills need a left tackle as bad as we do. Which actually pisses me off more.

And they aren't going to have a shot at one either.......I'm 99% sure they won't be keeping London Fletcher and they also run a cover 2...Willis or Okoye is going to go there.

Don't worry whichever guy I like they'll pick over the last few years they've routinly taken players i wanted the Chiefs to pick.

Lee Evans, Ko Simpson.......and several others.

realisticlly Amobi Okaye will be picked by KC, and they might trade a pick if he's in the target range

Realistically? Best WR, DT or OT available, so long as that player is as good as the best player available at another position (e.g. CB or MLB).

Overall?

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I VERY much doubt they draft another d-tackle in the first round.

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What he said. An NFL mock draft site has the Chiefs picking Sidney Rice out of South Carolina.

Doubt if we're going to pick an OT in the first round. (I still remember the Tait feud with Peterson.) I can see overpaying for speed at WR, though.

I can see CP wanting to pick Levi Brown, as he has a Joe-Poppa-mojo-Penn-State kind of thang. I just wonder who from Penn State we'll pick? That thang has worked twice, so far.

If we miss on Ginn in the first, we should pick Anthony Gonzales WR in the second round. Write it down, you heard it here first, the steal of the draft.

Good point!

My list as of right now (realistically). This is subject to change.

1 - Dwayne Jarrett
2 - Levi Brown
3 - Ted Ginn Jr

I like Alen Branch the DT from Michigan but I hear he sometimes takes plays off and after seeing Tamba Hali & Jaren Allen, I've realized that D-linemen have to have a high motor.

I like those type of guys.

So pass on Branch.

FYI - Calvin Johnson is the best WR I've seen in college in a long time. He reminds me of Andre Johnson when he was at Miami... Probably not quite as fast though. I guess we'll see at the combine.

I'm a Bills fan (here because I'm the mock GM for the Chiefs on our board mock draft), and one of the things the Bills DON'T need is a LT. I don't know why Scott Wright thinks we do, but we don't. Jason Peters has played tremendously well at LT, and was signed to a long extension last off-season. Our biggest need on the line is at guard. Mike Gandy, our starting LG is a FA, and every other guard on our roster sucks, aside from Chris Villarial who can't stay healthy for 4 consecutive games.

At this point, Patrick Willis is easily the consensus top pick for us (on our board anyway) with a lot of other guys liking Okoye. Most of the fans, including myself, aren't looking for London Fletcher back, and Takeo Spikes may be gone as well.

As for us not taking a DT in the first again, I wouldn't be so sure. We have 2 NTs on the roster. One is last year's 5th round pick Kyle Williams (who played very well this year), the other is FA Tim Anderson (who didn't). Anderson could really be upgraded, and last year's 1st round DT John McCargo is a 3 technique, not a nose. Also consider we're bad vs. the run, NT is certainly a top consideration. According to the editor of 'Bills Digest', NT is our number one priority going into the off-season. Personally I would like to see a FA brought in and open up our options in the draft. There are some good DTs that could hit the market like Terdell Sands (my fave), Robaire Smith and Mike Myers. Defensive tackles can make or break the Tampa 2 (our defense). It's all about the 'X'. The 'X' is your DTs, your MLB and your safeties. We got our safeties last year with Whitner and Ko Simpson. We have our 3 tech tackles with McCargo and Larry Tripplett. MLB is up in the air, and Kyle Williams is one half of our NT rotation.

But you can rest assured, the Bills are not in the market for a LT. Possibly a RT, where we had a rookie 7th round pick playing, but he showed a lot of potential and after our bye when Peters was moved from RT to LT and Pennington took over RT, our offense played about 200% better. Our glaring weakness on the line was at RG, where Duke Preston can't block a sled dummy.

Okoye will most likely be a 3T in the NFL, not a NT.

And I'm not sure where you got the idea Sands, Smith, and Myers are good DTs...

Okoye a 3 technique? Highly doubtful. He's being looked at as a possible nose in even a 3-4 scheme. He's better vs. the run than he is rushing the passer. Very stout at the point of attack with below average timed speed. Not exactly the definition of a 3 technique tackle.

Check out what Scott Wright says about him. He has good player rankings, but his mocks suck.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sco...mobiokoye.html

Now, where I get the idea that Sands, Myers and Smith are good DTs. Well, for one, I've watched them play. I never said they were probowlers, I said they were good DTs, and they are. Sands recorded 41 tackles and a sack while not even starting last season. Robaire Smith had 44 tackles and 1/2 a sack, and Michael Myers had 57 tackles and 2 sacks. For DTs, those are pretty strong numbers.

Myers and Smith may not be good fits at NT in the Tampa 2, and then again they could. Tim Anderson, who played nose for us this past season was a converted 3 tech. Not out of the question. Sands will be probably the most sought after DT in FA this year unless the Dolphins don't re-sign Vonnie Holliday.

He's going to half to learn the 3T. While he was stout at the point of attack at Louisville, he played against inferior competition. He's gonna have a tough time holding up as a 3-4 NT in the NFL unless he's gonna add serious weight. More than a few 3-4 teams are going to look at him as a defensive end.

Those are Ron Edwards numbers. I've seen all 3 of them play many times - one was a former Chief, the other a Bronco, and Robaire Smith was a guy I told everybody to forget about 2 years ago when he was available the 1st time.

All 3 are stop-gap players, AT BEST. And combine that with the fact that free agent DT's almost NEVER make an impact for their new team.

Miami, West Virginia, Rutgers and Wake Forest are inferior competition? Not in my mind. Even in a down yuear, the U is still the U, and the rest finished in the top 10.

You don't need to tell me about Ron Edwards, you do know he was a Bill before coming to KC, right? Tom Don'tknowhow told us fans that we didn't need Pat Williams when he wouldn't match the Vikihngs offer, because we had Ron Edwards. 1 year as a starter, and Edwards was allowed to walk. Edwards is a good back-up and that's it. He's a back-up that has been tried to be turned into a starter, and he doesn't have it.

Myers and Smith, maybe stop-gaps. Sands, however, is a young player coming into his own. Maybe he'll make it over the hump, maybe not. But that's pretty much any player.

What free agent DTs are you talking about? Ryan Pickett had a great year for the Packers. Pat Williams is doing very well in Minnesota. I already mentioned Vonnie Holliday with the Dolphins, add his team mate Keith Traylor to the list as well. Warren Sapp has done a fine job since going to Oakland. What exact free agent DTs are we talking about that almost never have an impact?

WVU, Rutgers, and Wake. How many top offensive linemen do you see coming out in the draft that came out of those schoools? He hasn't played against top-flight 350-pound offensive linemen like the guys in the Big 10, Big 12, and SEC do every Saturday.

Amazing that you're 100% correct about Edwards but can't tell that Myers, Smith, and Sands are the SAME PLAYER. FYI, Sands is entering his 7th season and will be 28 years old. Than's not young.

Ryan Pickett had a great year. Williams had an okay year, but certainly not up to his standards. Vonnie Holliday isn't a full-time tackle. Warren Sapp has done a fine job playing outside the tackle. He's also no longer a true DT.

No blue chip linemen coming out of those 3 schools, I'll agree on that. But it's not like they were playing Boise State's schedule either. I don't see Okoye as the kind of guy who dominates weak competition and can't hold up against better players. But, he's in the draft, and like every other guy out there he could bust.

Yeah, Sands will be 28, but he only has 4 seasons as an active player. Doesn't have the same miles on his body that other 28-year-olds have in the national football league. I still consider him young. Maybe he is another Ron Edwards, but in the Tampa 2, I wouldn't be so much against a Ron Edwards type player, because the DTs are in a rotation. Edwards done a pretty good job spelling Pat Williams for a couple plays, after that he started taking plays off.

I'm not trying to put these guys in the same breath with guys like John Henderson, but all 3 are better than Tim Anderson. To me, that's what FA is about, upgrading your positions with players better than what you have. IMO, you build through the draft and supplement through free agency.

Actually, Sands has been in the league, on and off, for 6 years, and IIRC he's had some serious medical issues with his feet.

Yeah, i know he's been in the league for 6 years. However, in the first 2, he didn't play. 0 games.

He still practiced when he was with the Chiefs...he wasn't sitting around taking no hits. And like I said, I don't remember specifics, but he had some kind of medical issue with his feet...

taking hits in practice is nothing like a 16-game season.

It still creates wear and tear. Almost half of all injuries in the NFL occur during practice.

Regardless, that's not the point.

Terdell Sands may have extra years left due to lack of wear, but he's NOT an ascending player. Even if he was, what's his ceiling? He's QUITE unspectacular....

How can you say he isn't ascending? On KC he didn't do squat - nothing - zero - nada. On Oakland this last season he was a rotational player that put up okay numbers. There was improvement whether you want to admit it or not.

What's any player's ceiling? If we, or even the NFL GMs and head coaches knew that, no one would ever leave one place and excel somewhere else. There would never have been Brett Favre for the Packers. The Chiefs would have held on to eventual NFL MVP Rich Gannon. etcetera, etcetera.

He's 28 years old.

Ron Edwards is 4 months older than Sands, and had similar numbers to Sands. Want him?

You are losing credibility in this discussion. Edwards has played in the NFL since is first year. Sands didn't play at all his first two years and only in 4 games his third. Plus Sands had about double the number of tackles as Edwards this year.

He's a Bills fan but the Bills don't need a "nose" they also run cover 2......so they look at the same kind of DT's we do.

Edwards had 3 times as many sacks.

And part of the reason Sands didn't play was due to INJURY.

But keep on pimping him, I'm sure he'll catch on somewhere next year and be a non-factor...

What does needing a nose tackle have to do with our scheme? We have two 3 technique tackles, and if we don't re-sign Tim Anderson, we'll only have one 1 technique tackle on the roster, meaning we'll need another one.

The Cover 2 defense doesn't call for a nose.......big fat DT's that are typically noses don't fit into cover 2's.

Tell that to the Bears.

Tommie Harris plays thier nose.....and he would be a 3 in almost any non cover 2 defense. He is everything you want in a cover 2 DT.

The term Nose Tackle doesn't refer to a 'big fat DT' as you put it. Though the nose tackle is usually the biggest player on the line, it doesn't always mean he weighs 350 pounds. Kyle Williams is a NT for the Bills and he weighs 295, less than some 3 technique guys. It's about where the player lines up, and what his assignment is.

When a guy lines up as a 0 technique (head up on the center; typical for a 3-4 NT) or 1 technique (guard's inside eye; typical for a 4-3 NT), he's typically refered to as a nose tackle. Scheme makes no difference.

actually it's the Lions you need to tell that to. Tell them the 345-pound Shaun Rogers doesn't fit their system (also run the cover 2).

DTs aren't excluded from the cover 2 because of size, they are excluded
because of style of play. The cover 2 doesn't use a big body to clog the middle. The cover 2 DTs have to get pressure on the passer. It's about them getting penetration, and collapsing the pocket. Usually, you have to have smaller DTs in order to have faster DTs. Big guys typically don't move well. However, in the exception when you can get a big guy who moves well, his size is certainly not a negative.

If you go to the Bears website and look at their depth chart, they list their right DT as "NT".

They describe Tank Johnson as " Young nose tackle has been productive while gaining experience in playing Chicago's highly competitive D-line rotation over the last 2 years". His backup Ian Scott is described as "Has developed into a sturdy run-stopper during his career with Chicago, starting 26 games at nose tackle over the last 2 seasons…"

My understanding is that Tommie Harris is not their "nose" tackle, but he is their 3 technique tackle.

What does any of this have to do with the fact that Turd-ell Sands sucks?

Jeff Samarzidja.....I wish he would give up the baseball thing and wise up!

How many good white receivers have their been in the last 20 years? 2?

We need to draft an 8-technique tackle, In addition to performing the roles of a 3-technique, he can slice, dice, and julienne fries, cut through soda cans and then a tomato...just like Ray Lewis.

How many Big East pitchers (baseball's equivalent of 1-aa football) have started in the Majors in the last 20 years -- 2?

Charles Nagy (Conn) and Matt Morris (Seton Hall)?.....Nagy is retired and Morris has a white beard, so they didn't break in yesterday.

The Shark had a crappy ERA at N.D. to boot -- University of Minnesota pinned 6 runs on him in 2 innings 10 months ago....

Big East is garbage in baseball.....He beat West Virginia in the B.E. Championship game, but yielded a 3 run HR to Stan Poszulzny (Paul's bro) and still won the game....

But here is the key point: Stan Poz was WVU's best hitter, by far, and wasn't drafted in 50 rounds last year, despite the fact his brother was big folk hero in Pa.

Regardless of his skin color, he was 2 football All-American and got the first invite to the Senior Bowl of all the receivers :drool:



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