Is James Cameron the anti-christ?
 

As per Glen Beck.

http://time-blog.com/middle_east/200...the_crypt.html

February 23, 2007 6:55
Jesus: Tales from the Crypt
Posted by Tim McGirk | Comments (2884) | Permalink | Trackbacks (0) | Email This

Brace yourself. James Cameron, the man who brought you 'The Titanic' is back with another blockbuster. This time, the ship he's sinking is Christianity.

In a new documentary, Producer Cameron and his director, Simcha Jacobovici, make the starting claim that Jesus wasn't resurrected --the cornerstone of Christian faith-- and that his burial cave was discovered near Jerusalem. And, get this, Jesus sired a son with Mary Magdelene.

No, it's not a re-make of "The Da Vinci Codes'. It's supposed to be true.

Let's go back 27 years, when Israeli construction workers were gouging out the foundations for a new building in the industrial park in the Talpiyot, a Jerusalem suburb. of Jerusalem. The earth gave way, revealing a 2,000 year old cave with 10 stone caskets. Archologists were summoned, and the stone caskets carted away for examination. It took 20 years for experts to decipher the names on the ten tombs. They were: Jesua, son of Joseph, Mary, Mary, Mathew, Jofa and Judah, son of Jesua.
Israel's prominent archeologist Professor Amos Kloner didn't associate the crypt with the New Testament Jesus. His father, after all, was a humble carpenter who couldn't afford a luxury crypt for his family. And all were common Jewish names.

There was also this little inconvenience that a few miles away, in the old city of Jerusalem, Christians for centuries had been worshipping the empty tomb of Christ at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. Christ's resurrection, after all, is the main foundation of the faith, proof that a boy born to a carpenter's wife in a manger is the Son of God.

But film-makers Cameron and Jacobovici claim to have amassed evidence through DNA tests, archeological evidence and Biblical studies, that the 10 coffins belong to Jesus and his family.

Ever the showman, (Why does this remind me of the impresario in another movie,"King Kong", whose hubris blinds him to the dangers of an angry and very large ape?) Cameron is holding a New York press conference on Monday at which he will reveal three coffins, supposedly those of Jesus of Nazareth, his mother Mary and Mary Magdalene. News about the film, which will be shown soon on Discovery Channel, Britain's Channel 4, Canada's Vision, and Israel's Channel 8, has been a hot blog topic in the Middle East (check out a personal favorite: Israelity Bites) Here in the Holy Land, Biblical Archeology is a dangerous profession. This 90-minute documentary is bound to outrage Christians and stir up a titanic debate between believers and skeptics. Stay tuned.
--Tim McGirk/Jerusalem

James Cameron is a badass.

I knew you would be the first responder to this thread.

If he's not from Eastern Europe he's not the Anti-christ.

Read the Bible.

Sounds reasonable

I am aware of that. But it got your attention.

No.

He's a rich azzhole with a football head...

I noticed "how" they conveniently left off......
the Bible reference to where the Anti-Christ comes from...
But it's the media. we wouldn't want to upset any PC person. who has another belief.

It's Lent. Time to attack Christians. If this were about any other religion the media would be talking about how unfair this is.

I dont think someone of Scottish descent would be the Anti-Christ

it was a joke from Beck. For crying out loud don't take it so literally.

two turntables and a microphone Beck, or A.D.D. and a microphone Beck?

You guys are showing your age.

Just a bunch of sensitive old Fs.....

Get real. Glenn Beck has a way of stirring the pot.....

there are worse things I could show

Exactly.

I don't understand why people post threads and then ridicule people whom bother to respond

How am I ridiculing anybody. I posted an article. I have no problem with anyones views on the subject. Just respect my view too.

I saw that on TV at work, and then ignored it.

Whats your view?

Respect??? You forget where your at.


But, I agree.

I believe he has stated it well.

I have faith in what the bible says. That Jesus died for our sins and was resurrected.

Why is that so wrong to believe in?

Oh, well it is definitely substantiated if they have DNA proof....

After all, Jesus left scads of his DNA in several wooden test tubes in his secret laboratory.

Some people want to disprove the faith based core of Christianity so badly that they are willing to buy any ridiculous notion.

Tell me, whose DNA was tested and against what template?

Excellent question.

I dunno, I don't understand why you're being so defensive. I really haven't lashed out at anyone or questioned their views.

My original post was an undoubtedly failed attempt at humor. A miserably failed attempt.

Ditto!


It's wrong because of the reasons KC stated.

Amazing you people haven't discovered this on your own yet.

And if you did, shame on you for not posting it.

http://www.philhendrieshow.com/Radio/Video.aspx

Well, when you posted about the "tread-starter" and then stated that I ridiculed people, I got a little defensive. Considering I ridiculed no one.

alright

nighty-night

Never heard of him. Who is he and what does he have to say. Are his weblogs safe for work?

They will have some schmuck claim to be an offshoot decendant of Jesus and his DNA will be about 70% similar to the body found - I am betting that will be their "proof".

Also note that "coffins" weren't used for the poor in the Middle East during the time of Christ. Ossuaries were used for the affluent Jews. Their bones were allowed to decompose and their remains were put in small stone boxes, only about 1 foot by 2 foot. The ossuary was then put in a tomb. Christ's family could have never afforded such a luxury. The only one who MAY have been entombed in an ossuary years after his death was Jesus' brother James, who died several years after Christ. - if it was James, then it was afforded only by the charity of the stonecarver or the person who owned the tomb.

An ossuary was found several years ago inscribed "James, brother of Jesus and son of Joseph". The ossuary was the only one of the Joseph and Mary family ever substantiated. It was done in 2002. However, there is a great deal of controversy around that discovery today. The man who owns the ossuary today is Oded Golan, a disreputable collector who has a history of archealogical forgeries surrounding his past.

The interesting paradox with the story is, if you truly want to believe that the ossuary belongs to a family member of Jesus, you have to admit that Jesus is a definitive past living member of the human race.

Cameron has done nothing but attached his name as a producer to a couple of bad documentaries and the horrid failure Solaris over the last decade - he is merely doing what he can to make a buck.

Yeah, I heard on the news that one of the main aspects he is basing these wild assumptions on is the fact that the tomb had the names Jesus, Mary and Joseph in it; nothing common about those names in that part of the world in that time. :rolleyes:

A piece of wheat toast came to life yesterday, grew to gigantic proportions, walked right into my office, and told me that Mr. CosmicPal is a reincarnated witch hunter from the 1600s.

It took me hours to clean up all the crumbs.

FAX

Actually, he would be the 3rd Anti Christ behind Napolean and Hitler.

Why doesn't Cameron go after an easier target to dispute-like the Mormons-lol

It worked for SouthPark.

He's not debunking a religion. He's debunking a fairy tale that's considered a fact by a lot of people. Of course it's bound to piss them off. Shit, I was pissed when I found out the Santa wasn't real too.

george lucas would be the antichrist of movies since he killed Starwars and E.T and now has his sights on indiana jones.

Does it piss you off so much that ppl believe in god.

Everyone needs to believe what they want. Does it really serve a purpose to call someones religion a fairy tale though?

agree 100%

+++REP

Yes it does, here!

I tried to warn them but they are heathens and banned me?

Go Figure...

But a ban will not keep the Lords word down, or me either..........

I believe in a greater power/god/whatever you want to call it, but I am not religious. You see, I never needed the concept of religion to understand what is morally wrong and right. And anyway, 99% of the religious people are hypocrites (1% being the truly devoted monks who just pray all day and live the simplest life possible in some monastery).

But yeah, religious people do piss me off, they ruin the world for everyone, always have and always will.

And I'm sorry, but I like I said, I don't believe in fairy tales - a category into which resurrection falls. And I don't mean to offend you, it's just what I believe.

I dont see why you Care what ppl do with there own personal shit.

So when Dieing ppl Find religion you automatically think of them has hypocrites?

See above post you sinner!

I don't care that much really. I'd equate it to being pissed at stupid people for being stupid. Know what I mean? Stupid people ruin the world for everyone, kind of like the religious people.

I guess we should all apologize for our beliefs to you because what we feel privately ruins your world publicly.

Sorry for that.

I dont see how me going to church every wednesday is runing the world.

Are you saying that religion has never and currently does not affect the socio-econmic affairs of the world (not even talking about the stupid ass wars and conflicts throughout the history of the world based on religious beliefs)? I'm not talking about Christianity here, I'm talking about RELIGION.

Global warming Famain and disease watch out here comes religion.

That's because you're a simpleton who lives in his own little world completely oblivious to anything and taking everything for granted. But that's just my guess.

Ignorance is bliss, I know.

People would just find something else to wage war about raceism power greed Jealousy.

I won't argue that 99% of all wars have religion at the core. But, because I have a religious belief does not make me a war monger either. A good percentage of that 99% don't want war. Unfortunately, we hear from the ones that do want war.

So my Associate degree high school diploma and 116IQ are all null and void becuase I go to church?

I didn't say you were a warmonger, and "wars" was just a part of my argument.

But let me ask you something, WTF is the point of religion anyway when the same people who go to church also lie, steal, envy, rape little boys and girls, are corrupt, have premarital sex, wage wars in the name of god (apparently killing is OK if the victim is of a different religion), etc?

It's just there to give people an illusion of some kind of purpose and to make death a little less scary. Then the people become so devoted to that fake purpose that they start changing the society to fit their own ideas, which aren't all that great really for the most part.

Don't get me wrong, the people who wrote the Bible were very smart. It became a great tool for stupid people to learn great lessons about society and how you should act in order for that society to function, the magic shit was put in there to instill fear in them so they would follow the rules when no one was watching.

But guess what, it's been done before the bible was ever written. The day some half monkeys/half dudes started living together, they signed a contract that said "Don't kill me and I won't kill you, don't steal from me and I won't steal from you, don't **** my girl and I won't **** yours... you get the point."

And yeah... I think my tirade is over for tonight, I gotta go to bed.

WTF did you garduate from, Uncle Johnny's school of spelling? They way you talk/type you sound like a total reerun. At least put a little effort into it when you're trying to say that you're smart.

I am sorry you feel that way.

From a Votech school and I wasnt saying I was smart I was just saying Im not a simpleton that works at walmart.

Hey man, I'm just talking shit on the intrawebs, don't take my personal insults serioulsy, it's not like I know you or anything, lol. You're probably an OK guy and there's absolutely no reason for you to justify yourself to me. Good night.

I don't know, I haven't seen the show but I saw a snip of him on the pulpit, bravely stating that he has difinitive proof - I think there's a diff between definitive proof and definitive belief, yes?

Still, this doesn't upset me at all, if he found bones that somehow could in fact be PROVEN to be the bones of Jesus, good for him.

Just a quick thought here:


How is this different (making it a bad thing in your opinion) than you or anybody else wanting to make the world a specific way to fit your ideas?

choose wisely...

Anyone else notice how God and Jesus topics have been on the rise in the media the last few years?

He's well within his rights to believe it's a fairy tale!

This is true

To the question “Is James Cameron the anti-christ?”, I was going to say that I sat through Titanic and the answer is a definitive yes. Now after reading through this thread, I’m going to get the popcorn.

Ah...the plot thickens...

Now I believe Cameron is going to attempt to trace Leo DiCaprio's lineage back to Jesus so he can try to make the jump from being the "king of the world!" to the "king of kings."

I wonder how Tom Cruise would take that news.

My dog dug up some old bones..there was a cloth covering them,it said Jesus Gonzalas..could it be???

Regardless of whether he was actually resurrected or not.. I believe that he was an actual living person and that what he was able to do in his lifetime was amazing.

And the tenets that he espoused are great guidelines to live by... so what does it really matter if he was simply a mortal man or not in the grand scheme of things

That is where the "Leap of Faith" comes into play

Which was what, exactly?

What would a family tomb of his be in Jerusalem for? You family was buried where you came from in that culture, so if he did have a family tomb that contained his father's remains, it would have been in Galilee.

Well.. was there Christianity before Christ?

Wasn't that the job of those who survived? I mean, they all could have just said "the hell with it" and went home.

Another thing I thought of, the names Jesua (to put it in modern spelling, Joshua), Joseph, Mary, Matthew, etc.... those names were as common back then as they are now.

They did go home at first, actually (though they probably didn't word their decision to do so like that). It was when they saw Jesus alive that they returned to their ministry. To me, this may be one of the strongest arguments for the resurrection.

Not if Mary Magdalene bitched and bitched at him because she saw some really nice plots in Jerusalem, and would really like to be placed to rest there. Finally he told her he would agree to it as long as she would shut the hell up about it.

You're right, religious people do tend to be hypocrites; true Christians are not religious. True Christianity is a life style; not a religion.

I thought to be the anti-Christ that said person was supposed to survive after being killed to amaze everyone...

Someone's religion? How about everyone's religion.

Let's face facts here. One can not prove a single speck of fact from any single set of 'religious' beliefs. They are what they are, beliefs that require faith (a blind leap into a chasm which we can't see where we'll land) to even believe in them in the first place.

All religion, regardless of amount of gods worshipped, where it's practiced, what sect, etc. (I'm not singling out ANY religion: christianity, islam, shinto, buddhism, tao, et al) is basically the same. They contain certain archetypes (the flood myth appears in many cultures from around the world [*note: the bible's flood myth isn't the first flood myth, and contains many of the same concepts/archetypes of other flood myths, but I digress*], as does the creation myth [*once again, christianity's isn't the first, and certainly not unique*], the dying and resurrected deity myth [*yep, jesus wasn't the first: inanna, ishtar, tammuz, dumuzi, dionysus, mithras, zoroaster, krishna, and a LOT of other deities--too many to list here-- predated jesus, and his 'dying/resurrection' myth contain, you guessed it, elements of all of these myths*], and many other of the same archetypal stories, morals and ethics to live by within a society, etc. The kicker is that mythoi, in almost every instance, shows evidence of spreading from culture to culture, maturing in the process, and in the filtration from different cultures, we get the various myths in cultures that never met, could never have met, etc. As a matter of fact, one of the more interesting bits about religion and the spreading from culture to culture is that one's cultures gods/goddesses become the demons/devils/bad places of the next 'religion,' or set of myths. The catholic church was particularly good at this: the halo (sol invectus) went from sacred symbol of the undying sun to the 'headband' of saints. The horns of Satan are from numerous fertility gods. The devil's pitchfork? that belonged to poseiden. The cloven hooves? Nope, not the devil's exclusively, but from greek mythology: pan! The witch hat? belonged to wise cronos. But I won't bore you with the countless other examples.

I keep telling myself that I'm going to stop posting on religion, because it's one of a select few unwinnable debates, and ends up pissing everybody off... but here comes the meat of the issue:

The main issue I have with religion in general (although christianity seems to have more of an issue with this than other religions, but they all have this weakness to a certain extent) is that the more vocal members of the different religions (let's use christians in this discussion) are so narrowminded that they can't or won't admit that there's any possibility on planet earth that they may be wrong. They've so painted themselves into the proverbial corner that to admit wrongness might very well destroy them. They have faith, but in this instance faith isn't a good thing.

The problem with faith (which is normally a good thing) is that when one has faith, it tends to absolutely sew one's mind shut against the possibility of being wrong. With faith, one very rarely (if ever) will even acknowledge a situation where one might be wrong, as it collapses the house of cards.

At its very base, religion (every religion) was founded on principles and ideas that are unprovable. If one attempts to disprove a tightly held religious belief (godforbid jesus was married!), one would bring a firestorm of scrutiny on one's self because people simply don't like to consider the fact that what they believe is nothing more than an elaborate fairy tale, and will fight to the death to believe what they want to believe.

When one has faith (I'm sure there are exceptions), one basically shuts one's mind off of the possibility of being wrong. Obviously, my main issue with that is that we, as human beings, are wrong all the time--hell, it's practically what we're best at. Mankind started religion (long before christianity, judaeism, or even recorded history) to explain the unexplainable--Where we truly erred is when we began to refuse to believe that we might be wrong.

We tied the whole of humanity to religion and religious practices in general (not singling out christianity), and that restricts the potential that we have as human beings. We have the potential for so much more. I despise it when we paint ourselves into the tiny restrictive boxes of organized religion.

To finish, I'll be the first to admit that I may be wrong about this-- If there is a god (which I certainly won't rule out, but the world we live in certainly reeks of unfairness and injustice, two tools that I believe a just and righteous god wouldn't allow--that is a debate for another time and place), I'll stand judgement for my disbelief. If one has to go by all the pageantry of modern religion to stand any chance at heaven, that the only shot at a good eternity is to dance like a little monkey, then I'll gladly accept hell. If there is a god, he gave me the brain to be a rationally thinking human being. With religion, we're basically forced to shut off our brains and just accept what we're told--SO WHY GIVE US COMPLEX THINKING BRAINS IN THE FIRST PLACE?

alright, enough of that novel... 'submit reply'

Good God....how about summarizing that for those whose eyes bleed after a paragraph