Time to trade Jared Allen...
 

With the latest news from his agent, it's time to shop the guy hard to Atlanta to see if we can get the Schaub picks.

Anybody agree?

I agree. The guy just keeps proving he is a douche.

F. what did i miss now?

I missed it... what happened?

Unfortunatly yes I agree.

What News? Tell me DAMMIET!!!!

I agree.

The Chiefs could use the picks and Allen is a liability at this point. I think the Chiefs could find a DE on the 1st day to team with Hali.

aww jesus... he better have done some seriously f'd up shite for everybody to be like this

What is the latest news from his agent that some of us missed, please?

That would be pretty cool.

One of the stories in todays star. Basically his agent says he will skip all offseason stuff and report and sign tender just before training camp.

If it was all about money without the off field and suspension, fine. His suspension hasn't even been announced and they think contract talks should be serious before then?

Very stoopid IMO.

What happen other the him asking for a trade way back? That out of the way Jared Allen is such a big part of our D I'm torn I no there are some good DE's in the draft but banking on getting another Hali is a big risk. I know I know keeping him is a risk to with his off the field stuff that is why I'm torn.

GODDAMIT, WHAT DID HE DO NOW???

Contract stuff? Pff
Please. Welcome to the NFL.

F him.

Trade him yesterday.

I don't blame him for doing this. It's all about using whatever leverage they have to get the best deal they can.

Who are you?

NFL meetings
No Trent Green takers so far
Peterson suggests the Chiefs might hold on to their quarterback at least until the draft.
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
PHOENIX | Trent Green appears destined to remain with the Chiefs when the NFL meetings conclude today.

At the current pace of negotiations with potential trade partners Miami and Detroit, Green will be a Chief for quite some time.

Chiefs president/general manager Carl Peterson huddled briefly with his Detroit counterpart, Matt Millen, on Tuesday. The two agreed to continue the conversations later.

But Peterson has yet to speak in Arizona with Miami general manager Randy Mueller.

“He’s not been in the same meetings I’m in,” Peterson said. “Matt is. I’m going to make a real point to get together with Mueller.”

Peterson indicated the Chiefs may hold on to Green until the draft in late April.

“You have to have something to create a decision,” he said. “Usually, that’s the draft if you’re talking about draft choices. That’s what happened with the (Patrick) Surtain deal. It happened six years ago when we traded for Trent Green.”

The Chiefs and Dolphins were far apart in trade talks. The Chiefs asked for a second-round draft pick in return for Green. Miami offered a seventh-round pick.

•CHIEFS WON’T CHANGE DEFENSIVE SYSTEM: The Chiefs are loading up at linebacker, having signed free agents Donnie Edwards and Napoleon Harris. They are still short at defensive tackle, even after adding Alfonso Boone and re-signing Ron Edwards and Jimmy Wilkerson.

It’s easy to speculate that the Chiefs are planning to switch to the 3-4 alignment as their base defense. They will still rely mainly on the Cover 2 system favored by coach Herm Edwards but might use the 3-4 as a change of pace.

“We can get into that, do it as a different look,” Edwards said.

Donnie Edwards and Harris will join Derrick Johnson as the starting linebackers. Edwards excels in pass coverage, Johnson is a good pass rusher, and Harris is fast, allowing him to cover plenty of ground quickly.

All are capable of playing in the nickel defense, which presents an interesting issue for the Chiefs. Which one comes out on passing downs? Or will the Chiefs use all three?

“That’s a good problem to have,” defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham said. “The good thing is that we’ve got the players. The tough thing is figuring out how to keep them all on the field.”

The Chiefs are planning to load up at defensive tackle in the draft next month, selecting one and perhaps two players at the position.

•ALLEN WON’T BE AT OFFSEASON WORKOUTS: Ken Harris, the agent for defensive end Jared Allen, said his client won’t participate when the Chiefs begin their offseason program Monday.

“To my knowledge, I don’t think he plans to be back in Kansas City until training camp,” Harris said.

That means Allen also wouldn’t participate in the only offseason event that’s mandatory for most players, the three-day minicamp in early June. It wouldn’t be mandatory for Allen, who doesn’t have a contract.

Harris indicated that Allen probably wouldn’t sign the one-year, $2.35 million contract offer he has from the Chiefs until shortly before the start of camp. Allen is unhappy with contract negotiations with the Chiefs and has said he wants a trade.

•MITCHELL SIGNS WITH GIANTS: As expected, the New York Giants signed Kawika Mitchell, a free-agent linebacker who led the Chiefs in tackles the last two seasons.


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| Star news services contributed to this report

No, tell him it's time to take off his diaper and he'll get paid, they are trying to get money done before the suspension, another good wait move by Carl......

He probably should have thought about how being a drunk buffoon was going to affect his contract. Personally, I doubt anyone cares whether he shows up for offseason workouts or not.

I see. Trade his stupid ass then. Hell, I would've traded him anyway.

He's a convicted criminal. He has no leverage.

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Big deal.

This is what happens when someone is tagged or tendered.

That's like saying you wouldn't blame Ryan Sims for going into Carl's office and demanding more money

It does happen.

But very rarely can you actually GET the compensation that's due for a tendered player.

In this case, we have a very REAL possibility of getting two reasonably high picks for Allen.

I say pay him. We don't need to be trading proven, young playmakers.

Are you talking about the DUI or is there something that makes him an actual criminal? Technically I know what you are saying is true, but realistically the word criminal implies worse.

Even if they're on the verge of missing at least 1/4 of a season and aren't interested in being part of the team?

They could get probably get a 2nd and 3rd. Is it worth it for the best defensive player? You've got to use at least one of those picks to try to replace him, plus your thin at the position to start with.

Pay the man. Give him bonuses tied into games played and/or have clauses about not getting paid if suspended, etc.

In the eyes of the NFL, he's a convicted criminal, DUI or not.

He's going to get 4 games under the NFL's criminal conduct policy, regardless of whether or not he was enrolled in the substance abuse program. It's very similar to what happened with Warfield - he wasn't suspended for the alcohol, he was suspended for the conviction.

One more screw-up and he misses a season.

You need to call up Holthus and see what he says. Then tell us the scoop.

Why isn't he interested in being part of the team?

Do you really trust Carl Peterson to use those picks effectively given his history?

I don't like the possibility of the 4 game suspension anymore than any other person, but it is very hard to find players who play with the ability and passion that Allen does.

It's the latest in a string of DUIs. At some point it becomes felony.

I think we have other players we can build around, players with more natural talent, better upside, and without the off-the-field and behavioral issues.

I think either way you win. If he plays great, if you trade him he should have some real value.

Because he doesn't want to show up for offseason workouts. We've had lots of players with contract disputes still fulfill their obligations to their fellow players.

I thought it was only two, my apologies.

Herm Edwards gets to use those picks, and based on last season, I absolutely DO trust him to use them correctly.

Right, he's facing a 3rd, which is bad news.

Turning into a real douche.... thinks he's money now.

so what's Jared Allen worth, Parker?



a 6th?

If he doesn't want to work out this offseason and is just going to roll into training camp and punch the clock, we don't need this year with him anyway. What a guy you want on your team would do would be to continue to work out and be a professional and give this year a real effort. I'd take the draft picks instead.

most states it's the third conviction that = felony.

Allen had one that he was on a probation / education program to have it down graded to something else, but then he got his second arrest so the judge gave him both convictions.

next arrest could be his third conviction, but sometimes that third arrest, depending on how much time goes by, can be another probation scenerio. To any event he's one conviction (not neccesarily one arrest) from being a felony.

I don't care if he misses 4 games - just the same as if he gets dinged in the middle of the season.. You don't trade a proven young guy who fills a big need on your crappy D - unless you absolutely have to.

AT LEAST a 2nd and 3rd.

Gonzo has done this, Kennison also. He is just doing what his peers have. & it's not like he is a lockerroom cancer. Prolly just the opposite

Most definitely a 2nd - that's hardly debatable.

If he's suspended 4 games then 25% of his tender will never be paid. So, if his tender is $2 mill, he'll lose $500k. That's an expensive DUI.

There is a possibility if he gets traded we switch to the 3-4

I would have traded Gonzo as well. In fact, I think I posted as much right here.

Were they about to be suspended for four games? Would they be suspended for a year with one more mistake? Are they complete idiots who don't understand if you make a mistake, it's ok to learn from it and not repeat that mistake again? There is absolutely no doubt in my mind Jared will get another DUI and be out for a year. He's one of those people who just does his own thing and doesn't consider the repercussions. Those kinds of people may be great guys to hang out with but they aren't people to be giving millions of dollars to.

Wait until he realizes Croyle is the QB and see what he says.

I think it is a potential problem to look for.

Kinda wonder about Kennison as well since his buddy Green is done here.

We talk about the guy like he's Shawne Merriman.

He's not. He's had 9, 11 and 7.5 sacks. Hate to break it to both Jared and the folks in KC, but that's really nothing special. His average production amounts to what would be an off year for a good pass rusher. His production dictates that he's, so far, nothing more than a mediocre player who happens to be a fan favorite on a defense that's been historically bad for years. And now he's having repeat legal troubles and playing the vocal and disgruntled stuff in the media.

If I'm the gm, I shop him. He doesn't deserve a big contract at this point. If Allen homers want to say he's earned it on the field (which I don't believe - he's earned a mid-level contract), I'd counter by saying he lost that right by his behavior off of it. He's got to prove he can stay clean and be a team player, as well as perform like a guy who moves mountains, before I make that kind of investment. It just wouldn't be a smart move in my book. Let some other team take that risk and deal with his bullshit.

right, but doesn't it also make sense (for both sides really) to understand what the suspension is going to be? Not only for Allen's sake - so he can understand what he's going to make, but also for Carl's and the team's sake - to use in the negotiations, you are missing two games, we will pay you close to what you want, or you are missing 4-6 games, no way we pay you what you want, your off the field actions are costing us games.....

I see your point. I don't think he's average or mid-level. I think he's pretty talented and I like the fact that he plays hard EVERY play. But he's not an upper-echelon talent - not yet. He's very good but not great.

I wonder why LJ has not taken this tactic. They abused him last season. It could be seen as a sign he doesn't care. There could be a bad side to that.

Allen is showing his balls. & some of his ass as well

Sacks No.
1. S. Merriman SD 17
2. A. Kampman GB 15.5
3. A. Schobel BUF 14
4. J. Taylor MIA 13.5
5. T. Pryce BAL 13

Yeah let's just forget that he led the entire league in tackles at the DL position. Not to mention fumble recoviries. Yeah the guy sucks.

If you have a crappy D and tons of holes, then you trade guys in these kinds of contract situations for picks to fill holes. That would be the forward thinking thing to do anyways.

He's above average. I wouldn't say he's top 5 at his position or anything.

I think one could argue that Allen isn't even our best DE. IMO Hali is a better all-around DE.

How can you say he's not one of the best DEs in stopping the run?

HE LED THE LEAGUE IN TACKLES.

The guy has a pink caddy convertable. Wears disco clothes & pulls all kinds of stunts for attention. This is just Jared Allen..

It's a struggle to say... but I'm all for trading his ass. The 4-game suspension I could have overlooked. But now with him saying he'll breeze in to camp without attending the usual summer workouts.... I'm losing hope for him.

It's one thing to be a fuck up and not learn from your mistakes... it's another to be a fuck up and a poor teammate trying to prove you are worth a new contract at the absolute worst possible time.

If he's going to be suspended the 1st four games anyway I'm sure he's thinking he has plenty of time to get in shape. That's 4 extra weeks of partying while everyone else on the team is working. :bong:

I wonder if the players tell war stories of dealing with Peterson in the locker room. This is one rodeo that could get Allen beat down

Drunken jerkoff. To hell with him. I'll take the picks.

No, I wouldn't trade him.

I agree. Hali is better IMO as well.

If the deal is right, trade Allen.

The guy on the opposite end was a rookie and came very close to being just as good, if not better.

All without the off-the-field issues.

I'm not saying anything bad about Hali. I love Hali.

But let's not overreact and create a mob scene to trade Jared because he's doing the whole agent/contract thing.

He is a douche

What has Allen actually said? Anyone seen any quotes from the man hisself, not the agent.

I'm not against trading JA or keeping him, but I did want to point out to the people saying he's just OK because of sack numbers that PERHAPS his numbers are low because the Chiefs DTs constantly SUCKED.

Sims couldn't make it past the candy bowl on the receptionist desk.

nice.

How about lets not forget about the whole DUI/suspension thing when the thought of trading him for 1st day picks is concerned. I love the way he plays and believe his attitude in the lockeroom is good for team chemistry minus the DUI's. It's going to be hard to give him the contract he wants being only 1 mess up away from a year suspension. Plus his Agent is an unknown guy who is going to try to make a name for himself with this contract. That doesn't bode well for us either.

When the Allen wants traded article first came out in the star a month or so ago, Petersons response was not wanting to trade him and he was asking for too much money.

With Allen's recent off the field problems, he's in no position to be making any demands.